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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 10, 2018 8:04:00 GMT -5
This is a 3-13 team, until it’s not .... I agree...even if we light it up in the remainder of the preseason I will remain cautiously optimistic... |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:06:34 GMT -5
I think Rosie should create a "The Sky is Falling." Sub-board That's fine my friend. If your position is that it's just preseason then that is a common sense argument. Just don't tell me that you were encouraged by how well we moved the ball. because we didn't. Eli had 7 passes for 26 yards. Barkley had a great run on the first play then was shut completely down on his next 4 runs.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 8:07:19 GMT -5
It was not one play (15:00 - 1st) Z.Gonzalez kicks 72 yards from CLV 35 to NYG -7. H.Sharp to NYG 13 for 20 yards (R.Higgins). 1st & 10 at NYG 13 (14:52 - 1st) S.Barkley right end pushed ob at CLV 48 for 39 yards (D.Randall). 1st & 10 at CLE 48 (14:11 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to J.Stewart pushed ob at CLV 40 for 8 yards (J.Schobert). 2nd & 2 at CLE 40 (13:36 - 1st) J. Stewart right tackle to CLV 40 for no gain (C.Kirksey). 3rd & 2 at CLE 40 (12:55 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to H.Sharp. PENALTY on CLV-D.Ward, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CLV 40. 1st & 10 at CLE 25 (12:49 - 1st) S.Barkley right end to CLV 27 for -2 yards (J.Meder). 2nd & 12 at CLE 27 (12:13 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to R.Ellison. 3rd & 12 at CLE 27 (12:08 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Shepard to CLV 23 for 4 yards (D.Ward). 4th & 8 at CLE 23 (11:23 - 1st) Aldrick Rosas 42 Yd Field Goal Even if it was , What difference does it make. We were able to move the ball and score points. Something we were not able to do at this time last year. An improvement. What am I missing? After the run I see 6 plays for 10 yards. We scored because of a taunting penalty and then later from a muffed punt. I see no "moving the ball".
Call it what you want. Those 10 yards got us into range. If you can not see that as an improvement form this time last year. IMO Anything that is not the 3 and and outs like we had last year at this time last pre season is an improvement. Am I wrong? |
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 10, 2018 8:07:26 GMT -5
I saw a lot of positives for the first preseason game coming off of 3-13 season where the defense couldn't get any pressure and the offense couldn't move the ball. I didn't expect a win. The giants are typically 1-3 or 2-2 in preseason, even prior to or after a great season.
I thought the o-line looked like given another game or two could begin to gel into a reliable unit. So far Flowers looks a lot better on the right side, he also seems to be a bit thinner. I also thought the backups on the o-line played better (generally) than the backups on the browns DL I didn't get the feeling like it was hopeless. All the negatives I saw seemed easily correctable. That's exactly how you should feel after the first preseason game.
I thought all the running backs looked good. I think Martin and Simmons both looked good. I like that Martin has a little more quickness though. Oh, and I thought Stewart looked a step too slow on that pitch to the left. Shouldn't have ran that with him in there. If that was almost any of the other RB's that's probably a 3 to 6 yard gain; at least that's how I felt during live action.
I thought the pass rush was indeed relentless. There was consistent pressure throughout. That Robert Thomas sack was nice as well. I actually thought Hill, Tomlinson, Mauro, Martin, Vernon, Thomas, Francis, Harrison, Wynn, Barwin and Carter all looked like they could be quite good this season. Williams and Moss both looked pretty good as well from what I could tell.
The run D was good as well.
The CBs need to turn around, but this is preseason game 1. If it's happening in week 3 of the regular season then there will be a problem. Until then there's no reason to get even slightly frustrated.
I thought the safety's played a bit better than the CB's from what I could see.
Webb needs to settle down. He has to stop talking about his confidence (as though he's trying to hide his lack thereof) and start playing with more poise in the offense. He looked poised last preseason but that was a simpler scheme (even in preseason). I think that everything he did wrong was easily fixable though. He has the tools to be a good QB
Lauletta looked okay. Not bad at all. Felt like it would've been nice to see more of him opposed to Tanney.
In regards to the WR's, I felt like it was difficult to judge how they were doing. I liked how Russel Shepard looked on that route down the field where Webb missed him though. Hard to tell when you're watching live, especially as you can't see down the field.
I think the team's issues are totally fixable and that they have a lot of potential. I think the starting offense could do some really good things this year. The OL just needs to settle in a bit more. Plus, If Halapio plays bad, you stick in Jones (who looked good again). The last 4 preseasons the offense couldn't even get a first down. In 2014 and 2015 I remember Coughlin leaving Eli and the starters out there up until nearly halftime because they couldn't do anything right. That wasn't the case last night.
I also think the Defense could be quite good as well, especially the front 7. I think they'll figure out the CB's; the bad things are more polarizing (because everyone gets so emotion over them), but I saw some positives as well from them.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:08:00 GMT -5
I think Rosie should create a "The Sky is Falling." Sub-board It was nice to see some decent QB play last night. But it would have been nicer to see it come from someone in a Giants uniform. Mayfield is going to be a star in this league. Not only was he great in the pocket. he was accurate and he had good zip on his throws.
He is the real deal.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 8:08:40 GMT -5
I think Rosie should create a "The Sky is Falling." Sub-board That's fine my friend. If your position is that it's just preseason then that is a common sense argument. Just don't tell me that you were encouraged by how well we moved the ball. because we didn't. Eli had 7 passes for 26 yards. Barkley had a great run on the first play then was shut completely down on his next 4 runs.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 10, 2018 8:09:40 GMT -5
Really good run-stopping all game. Other than that, not so good.
I tuned in late and didnt see the starters play at all, except for Eli getting sacked on his last play (Papa said Barckley didnt pick up his block). But I did notice the starters only scored 3 points...
DBs looked scary. Our WRs couldnt get open and theirs had no defender within 10 yards over the middle. OL looked both good and bad.
Yes, first preseason game and I mostly saw backups. But not good....
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 10, 2018 8:10:49 GMT -5
I did not see anything that surprised me. The first and second unit O-lines looked a lot better . It shows we may have depth. The offense moved the ball . Something we could not do this time last year. It looks like we have a running game the O-line was able to get a push and the RBs took advantage of it. Our Defense is in an entirely new system . A completely different way of doing their jobs. It will take some time to workout the kinks. This may continue for a few weeks into the season . They will get it down. One thing I did notice they could not run against our front. A big improvement from last year. I was hard on Goodson this past offseason . He is proving me wrong. The defense looked pretty impressive to me from going 4-3 to 3-4 over six months. The front seven looked quite good for the first preseason game.
I agree with you on the line. They looked noticeably better, both the first and second unit. There were actually times where the QB's could actually sit back and survey the field. People forget that in the last 4 preseasons they were literally unable to get a first down until sometime in the second quarter. They constantly had three and outs. They moved the ball this preseasons and that in itself says there is improvement, thus far.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:10:59 GMT -5
What am I missing? After the run I see 6 plays for 10 yards. We scored because of a taunting penalty and then later from a muffed punt. I see no "moving the ball".
Call it what you want. Those 10 yards got us into range. If you can not see that as an improvement form this time last year. IMO Anything that is not the 3 and and outs like we had last year at this time last pre season is an improvement. Am I wrong? No it didn't. We were stopped on 4th down and they had a taunting penalty.
I'm sorry but your position that 10 yards of offense on 6 plays (those were the plays YOU listed, not me)..is akin to "moving the ball". you are living in a world of rainbows and unicorns.
Again...if you view is that it was just the first preseason game...that would have made sense, but to list 6 plays for 10 yards in detail, as an example of moving the ball..is kind of silly....don't you think?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:14:07 GMT -5
That's fine my friend. If your position is that it's just preseason then that is a common sense argument. Just don't tell me that you were encouraged by how well we moved the ball. because we didn't. Eli had 7 passes for 26 yards. Barkley had a great run on the first play then was shut completely down on his next 4 runs.
I completely disagree with this. What exactly are you disagreeing with? Eli had 7 passes for 26 yards and Barkley was completely shut down after the first long run. Those are empirical facts. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:15:18 GMT -5
It was nice to see some decent QB play last night. But it would have been nicer to see it come from someone in a Giants uniform. Mayfield is going to be a star in this league. Not only was he great in the pocket. he was accurate and he had good zip on his throws.
He is the real deal.
I thought that the Giants were going to select him if they stayed at the 2 slot... I don't understand how people can call him a bad pick just because all the talking heads focused on the other three QBs the whole draft..... |
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 8:19:06 GMT -5
It was nice to see some decent QB play last night. But it would have been nicer to see it come from someone in a Giants uniform. Mayfield is going to be a star in this league. Not only was he great in the pocket. he was accurate and he had good zip on his throws.
He is the real deal.
I know you liked him, and now I see why. The kid uses his feet to position himself to make plays. And you’re right about his accuracy and arm. I was very impressed by him. And at the same time it highlights what we don’t have in Eli any longer. He just doesn’t use his legs to make throws any longer. Instead he uses them to go down. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 8:22:49 GMT -5
Call it what you want. Those 10 yards got us into range. If you can not see that as an improvement form this time last year. IMO Anything that is not the 3 and and outs like we had last year at this time last pre season is an improvement. Am I wrong? No it didn't. We were stopped on 4th down and they had a taunting penalty.
I'm sorry but your position that 10 yards of offense on 6 plays (those were the plays YOU listed, not me)..is akin to "moving the ball". you are living in a world of rainbows and unicorns.
Again...if you view is that it was just the first preseason game...that would have made sense, but to list 6 plays for 10 yards in detail, as an example of moving the ball..is kind of silly....don't you think?
Lets agree to disagree. you see it one way with no positives. I see positives. It that is why you think I live in a world of rainbow and unicorns. I can almost call it now. Anything the Giants do that is positive you will spin into a negative . Just as you did with we won't get a GM, Coach or FAs with a 37 year-old QB. All proven to be inaccurate. Do not take as disrespect because none is meant to be. I take anything you say with a grain of salt attitude. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 8:23:02 GMT -5
Call it what you want. Those 10 yards got us into range. If you can not see that as an improvement form this time last year. IMO Anything that is not the 3 and and outs like we had last year at this time last pre season is an improvement. Am I wrong? No it didn't. We were stopped on 4th down and they had a taunting penalty.
I'm sorry but your position that 10 yards of offense on 6 plays (those were the plays YOU listed, not me)..is akin to "moving the ball". you are living in a world of rainbows and unicorns.
Again...if you view is that it was just the first preseason game...that would have made sense, but to list 6 plays for 10 yards in detail, as an example of moving the ball..is kind of silly....don't you think?
I just want to point out that that was clearly a helmet to the head shot. That should have been two fouls, and that kid should be fined. I just don’t understand the NFL. They talk about blows to the head and then do nothing when one occurs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:25:37 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive.
I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 10, 2018 8:33:04 GMT -5
If there was ever a preseason game to not jump to conclusions or read the tea leaves about a season, it was this preseason game.
Everything is brand new. They will play better each week. It's amazing how much revolves around Beckham and how much they miss when he's not out there.
On the plus side, I thought they played the run game much better than last year and even though Johnson got burned on a slant I thought that every time they threw his way, he had pretty good coverage.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 8:34:03 GMT -5
It was nice to see some decent QB play last night. But it would have been nicer to see it come from someone in a Giants uniform. Mayfield is going to be a star in this league. Not only was he great in the pocket. he was accurate and he had good zip on his throws.
He is the real deal.
I really wish we got him. I think the Browns finally got it right. At least we didnt go Barkley and pass on Mayfield. Still though, Ill be watching Rosen and Darnold closely. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 10, 2018 8:34:15 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive. I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli. Poise? The dude shit the bed because he had the “jitters” in a preseason game. That is actually the opposite of poise.... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 8:37:47 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive. I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli. What do you want him to suck instead? Mayfield did exactly what you want the #1 pick to do. Dominate. And by the way, some of those DBs that were getting torched will be seeing playing time in our secondary this season. His TD pass to NJoku was NFL caliber. Scans the whole field, goes through progressions, stays calm, fires a bullet in a window between 2 defenders to his TE. Picture perfect execution. Its what he did in college too. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 8:39:37 GMT -5
They moved the ball? I saw one play. It was not one play (15:00 - 1st) Z.Gonzalez kicks 72 yards from CLV 35 to NYG -7. H.Sharp to NYG 13 for 20 yards (R.Higgins). 1st & 10 at NYG 13 (14:52 - 1st) S.Barkley right end pushed ob at CLV 48 for 39 yards (D.Randall). 1st & 10 at CLE 48 (14:11 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to J.Stewart pushed ob at CLV 40 for 8 yards (J.Schobert). 2nd & 2 at CLE 40 (13:36 - 1st) J. Stewart right tackle to CLV 40 for no gain (C.Kirksey). 3rd & 2 at CLE 40 (12:55 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to H.Sharp. PENALTY on CLV-D.Ward, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CLV 40. 1st & 10 at CLE 25 (12:49 - 1st) S.Barkley right end to CLV 27 for -2 yards (J.Meder). 2nd & 12 at CLE 27 (12:13 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to R.Ellison. 3rd & 12 at CLE 27 (12:08 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Shepard to CLV 23 for 4 yards (D.Ward). 4th & 8 at CLE 23 (11:23 - 1st) Aldrick Rosas 42 Yd Field Goal Even if it was , What difference does it make. We were able to move the ball and score points. Something we were not able to do at this time last year. An improvement. I see one good play. The first one. And the OL collapsed on it and Saquon pulled off his Barry Sanders moment. The rest was not that good. And stupid Brown penalty aided. It was a terrible display last night. Lets hope they improve week 2. |
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Post by Roswell on Aug 10, 2018 8:43:42 GMT -5
Mayfield is going to be a star in this league. Not only was he great in the pocket. he was accurate and he had good zip on his throws.
He is the real deal.
I thought that the Giants were going to select him if they stayed at the 2 slot... I don't understand how people can call him a bad pick just because all the talking heads focused on the other three QBs the whole draft..... I agree. He has everything you want in a QB. Except height. And QBs have proven that they can thrive in the NFL at his height. The only thing that I didn't like about Schumer in the off season was when he said something to the effect that he likes his QBs tall. Mayfield is a player and will be fun to watch for his starving fans. |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:43:54 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive. I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli. He was escaping pressure and making very accurate throws into very tight windows. That is just a fact.
And yes I hope you're right about Webb. I don't like to see a kid effected so much by the moment. He said himself that he had "the jitters". Contrast that with Mayfield who was as cool as a cucumber last night in his big moment.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 10, 2018 8:45:21 GMT -5
Judging anything from one preseason game is like reading a headline and knowing the whole story. Can’t be done....
We have seen a glimpse. That’s about it
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 8:47:40 GMT -5
Preseason is preseason. But this team looks like it needs a lot more preseason games before it's ready to play a meaningful game. We all want more but in the end they weren't going to be able to fix 5 years of neglect in one offseason, on a positive note they ran for 5.8 a carry and only gave up 1.5 on defense,I thought the QBs had more then 2 seconds to throw more time then not, that said the secondary is scary, they need to find a free safety quick Thompson looked lost, we have to accept 11-5 was an aberration 2 years ago, they are more like 6-10 5-11 teams of the last 6 years, still a lot of work to be done |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:47:59 GMT -5
Judging anything from one preseason game is like reading a headline and knowing the whole story. Can’t be done.... We have seen a glimpse. That’s about it Absolutely true my friend. Unfortunately though over the last 5 years...our poor play in the preseason has continued in the regular season.
I would LOVE to see our guys come out and play well. We are constantly making the same excuses, and have been for many years.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 8:49:43 GMT -5
Judging anything from one preseason game is like reading a headline and knowing the whole story. Can’t be done.... We have seen a glimpse. That’s about it I agree, but wouldnt you feel better if our guys looked like the Browns though? If Eli was 5-5 99yards and a TD and Webb or Lauletta was 12-20 for 200+ yards and 2 TDs? And looked as good as they did? We looked like a 3-13 team. I wish we looked better on this first impression. All we can do is hope they improve week after week. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 8:49:46 GMT -5
It was not one play (15:00 - 1st) Z.Gonzalez kicks 72 yards from CLV 35 to NYG -7. H.Sharp to NYG 13 for 20 yards (R.Higgins). 1st & 10 at NYG 13 (14:52 - 1st) S.Barkley right end pushed ob at CLV 48 for 39 yards (D.Randall). 1st & 10 at CLE 48 (14:11 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to J.Stewart pushed ob at CLV 40 for 8 yards (J.Schobert). 2nd & 2 at CLE 40 (13:36 - 1st) J. Stewart right tackle to CLV 40 for no gain (C.Kirksey). 3rd & 2 at CLE 40 (12:55 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to H.Sharp. PENALTY on CLV-D.Ward, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CLV 40. 1st & 10 at CLE 25 (12:49 - 1st) S.Barkley right end to CLV 27 for -2 yards (J.Meder). 2nd & 12 at CLE 27 (12:13 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to R.Ellison. 3rd & 12 at CLE 27 (12:08 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Shepard to CLV 23 for 4 yards (D.Ward). 4th & 8 at CLE 23 (11:23 - 1st) Aldrick Rosas 42 Yd Field Goal Even if it was , What difference does it make. We were able to move the ball and score points. Something we were not able to do at this time last year. An improvement. I see one good play. The first one. And the OL collapsed on it and Saquon pulled off his Barry Sanders moment. The rest was not that good. And stupid Brown penalty aided. It was a terrible display last night. Lets hope they improve week 2. We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. |
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 10, 2018 8:50:00 GMT -5
I’d like to see our ones do something they haven’t down in years and that is score a touchdown. Yes people forget that the ones didn't score at all through something like for 3+ gamesast year. They may have scored vs NEs backups but I remember it was embarrassing because no one plays starters in 4th pre season game but they were so putrid the first 3 pre Season games they were put in vs NE to get some kind of confidence Last night if not for the penalty to extend that drive they would of had to punt. And if not for the STs turnover giving Webb a gift around the 10 yardine they would of been shutout by the Browns Not good |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 8:50:41 GMT -5
I think Rosie should create a "The Sky is Falling." Sub-board It was nice to see some decent QB play last night. But it would have been nicer to see it come from someone in a Giants uniform. lol zing |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:51:40 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive. I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli. Poise? The dude shit the bed because he had the “jitters” in a preseason game. That is actually the opposite of poise.... poise as in staying the pocket and going through his progressions. The lack of accuracy had more to do with the jitters. I’m not writing him off yet. I bet he’ll improve next week now that he got his first game jitters out of the way. |
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