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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 8:52:45 GMT -5
So, Davis Webb stunk up the joint and Barkley averaged 1 yard per carry in four of his five touches ‘cuz we didn’t have a game plan? Your rants are becoming ridiculous. As a friend I am saying this . You need to step back away from the MB for a while. If you are handling the first pre season game and using( 5 total carries (the truth is it was 4) as a bench mark to post a negative . My friend that is unglued. You are way too intelligent to allow emotional idiocy to take over your logic. Sorry, you’re right...Barkley averaged 1.3 yards per carry in 3 of his 4 rushes. My bad. But Davis Webb still stunk up the joint 😉
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2018 8:55:17 GMT -5
That is what I said. It is the pre-season . For the first game . The O-line looked better. They were able to run the ball, They were able to stop the run. That is a great first start IMO: The basics. We had none last year. I would rather not have the pass rush and corners going full out. It is a environment for injuries. I would rather them ease into game speed for the first week or 2 No offense dude, but that is a terrible idea. If the idea is that the coaching staff should not game plan 100% to win a preseason game, fine. But having players out there going less than 100% while their opponent is going 100% will do nothing to prevent injury, will hinder the team’s efforts to get ready for the regular season and will promote a loser mentality IMO. TC I understand your logic. Maybe I am shell shocked by the injury bug. I do not want to see one of or starting skill players go down. We basically lost OBJ in the preseason last year. That is where the initial injury occurred. Playing a team that wants to win the preseason record to establish delusional dominance is not a team that is worth compromising our season for. That is just the way I see it.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2018 8:57:33 GMT -5
Your rants are becoming ridiculous. As a friend I am saying this . You need to step back away from the MB for a while. If you are handling the first pre season game and using( 5 total carries (the truth is it was 4) as a bench mark to post a negative . My friend that is unglued. You are way too intelligent to allow emotional idiocy to take over your logic. Sorry, you’re right...Barkley averaged 1.3 yards per carry in 3 of his 4 rushes. My bad. But Davis Webb still stunk up the joint 😉 I agree Webb has some issues . The same ones I witnessed in camp last week that I posted.. Can he change is approach to the game.? Unknown.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 11, 2018 9:25:13 GMT -5
I believe the sense of urgency to win was higher on the Browns sideline. Coming off no wins and "earn your stripe" I see as a bit more urgent. We had 3 wins last year. If that doesn’t inspire an urgency to win, then we are doomed Throw in the towel and start the mock drafts for all I care.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 11, 2018 9:26:20 GMT -5
I believe the sense of urgency to win was higher on the Browns sideline. Coming off no wins and "earn your stripe" I see as a bit more urgent. ...as opposed to one of the richest and highest-profile teams in the league coming off an embarrassing 3-13 season. Want to throw in the towel and start the mock drafts?
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 11, 2018 9:36:10 GMT -5
I believe the sense of urgency to win was higher on the Browns sideline. Coming off no wins and "earn your stripe" I see as a bit more urgent. We had 3 wins last year. If that doesn’t inspire an urgency to win, then we are doomed Us fans always rationalize away terrible pre season performances going on the 3rd year now. Why can't the Giants show some promise like other teams do with their first units? I watched a lot of other teams Friday & Saturday and some including Dallas looked to be in mid season form with their limited reps We always put a positive spin on it by saying they are playing vanilla as to not tip their hand. They didn't game plan and browns did cause they wanted it more, and so on I get it was all new systems and they had to evaluate but for once I'd like it to be my team that looks like the well oiled machine for once
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2018 9:38:12 GMT -5
No offense dude, but that is a terrible idea. If the idea is that the coaching staff should not game plan 100% to win a preseason game, fine. But having players out there going less than 100% while their opponent is going 100% will do nothing to prevent injury, will hinder the team’s efforts to get ready for the regular season and will promote a loser mentality IMO. TC I understand your logic. Maybe I am shell shocked by the injury bug. I do not want to see one of or starting skill players go down. We basically lost OBJ in the preseason last year. That is where the initial injury occurred. Playing a team that wants to win the preseason record to establish delusional dominance is not a team that is worth compromising our season for. That is just the way I see it. I get it...but there is only so much you can do to reduce the risk of injury (it can’t be eliminated altogether) without compromising preparation. There are definitely times, though, where I think about bubble wrapping certain dudes (OBJ) until the season starts!
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 11, 2018 9:39:30 GMT -5
What would be his excuse if he stinks it up again next week? He had the *****?
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2018 13:53:05 GMT -5
We had 3 wins last year. If that doesn’t inspire an urgency to win, then we are doomed We always put a positive spin on it by saying they are playing vanilla as to not tip their hand. They didn't game plan and browns did cause they wanted it more, and so on I get it was all new systems and they had to evaluate but for once I'd like it to be my team that looks like the well oiled machine for once ….the thing is that sometimes it is true that we are mostly interested in evaluating talent in pre-season and therefore winning games takes a back seat. The problem is that I think for the most part we are kidding ourselves and overlooking gaps in our roster. We did however play this game with no OBJ and 4 or 5 touches by Barkley. It is hard to jump off a bridge with that as the back drop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 14:05:31 GMT -5
Your rants are becoming ridiculous. As a friend I am saying this . You need to step back away from the MB for a while. If you are handling the first pre season game and using( 5 total carries (the truth is it was 4) as a bench mark to post a negative . My friend that is unglued. You are way too intelligent to allow emotional idiocy to take over your logic. Sorry, you’re right...Barkley averaged 1.3 yards per carry in 3 of his 4 rushes. My bad. But Davis Webb still stunk up the joint 😉 who cares? Webb isn’t playing a meaningful game for us for at least another 2-3 years.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 11, 2018 14:12:44 GMT -5
Webb is a third round pick. Becoming a successful and consistent NFL QB is a total long shot. Same with Lauletta I want one or both to succeed but odds are neither will. Similar with Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Jackson......their odds are a bit better but not much.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 11, 2018 14:16:22 GMT -5
Sorry, you’re right...Barkley averaged 1.3 yards per carry in 3 of his 4 rushes. My bad. But Davis Webb still stunk up the joint 😉 who cares? Webb isn’t playing a meaningful game for us for at least another 2-3 years. I think Eli retires after this season. Just a gut feeling. Next season you will see a new starting QB for the NYGs. i also feel for the first time this season Eli will have some type of “leash”. His streak is over so no pressure on the coaches to bench him if they see fit, Not to say he can’t have a very good season but if he is not getting it done he will be benched IMO
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2018 15:26:18 GMT -5
who cares? Webb isn’t playing a meaningful game for us for at least another 2-3 years. I think Eli retires after this season. Just a gut feeling. Next season you will see a new starting QB for the NYGs. i also feel for the first time this season Eli will have some type of “leash”. His streak is over so no pressure on the coaches to bench him if they see fit, Not to say he can’t have a very good season but if he is not getting it done he will be benched IMO Um, no way he is getting benched for what we saw from Webb or Lauletta on Thursday, unless the season goes off the rails like last year and they just want to get these guys some experience. Eli at 57 is better then Thursday night Webb and a project rookie.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 11, 2018 16:36:37 GMT -5
We always put a positive spin on it by saying they are playing vanilla as to not tip their hand. They didn't game plan and browns did cause they wanted it more, and so on I get it was all new systems and they had to evaluate but for once I'd like it to be my team that looks like the well oiled machine for once ….the thing is that sometimes it is true that we are mostly interested in evaluating talent in pre-season and therefore winning games takes a back seat. The problem is that I think for the most part we are kidding ourselves and overlooking gaps in our roster. We did however play this game with no OBJ and 4 or 5 touches by Barkley. It is hard to jump off a bridge with that as the back drop. oh I'm not interested in winning pre Season games. Just wanted for once to see our ones look like ones and not scrubs The first team O coming down and getting a TD like many others I watched this weekend do. The D getting a few three and outs on the other teams ones
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Post by GameTime on Aug 11, 2018 17:30:09 GMT -5
I think Eli retires after this season. Just a gut feeling. Next season you will see a new starting QB for the NYGs. i also feel for the first time this season Eli will have some type of “leash”. His streak is over so no pressure on the coaches to bench him if they see fit, Not to say he can’t have a very good season but if he is not getting it done he will be benched IMO Um, no way he is getting benched for what we saw from Webb or Lauletta on Thursday, unless the season goes off the rails like last year and they just want to get these guys some experience. Eli at 57 is better then Thursday night Webb and a project rookie. Yeah.....I am not using one game as much of a judge for the back up QBs. Not happy with what I saw. But going to wait to see what really may happen
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 17:55:05 GMT -5
Um, no way he is getting benched for what we saw from Webb or Lauletta on Thursday, unless the season goes off the rails like last year and they just want to get these guys some experience. Eli at 57 is better then Thursday night Webb and a project rookie. Yeah.....I am not using one game as much of a judge for the back up QBs. Not happy with what I saw. But going to wait to see what really may happen Do you remember Eli's first preseason game? He was awful and threw 3 picks. Webb made all the right reads, but the throws were all wild high, which is a clear indicator he was trying to hard. This is exactly why the Giants should have played him for the final 3 or 4 games last season, to get all of this out of the way, and to evaluate him. If he still plays poorly by the end of preseason, then the Giants are probably going to sign a vet and Lauletta will be the 3rd string QB. Let's give the guy a chance.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 11, 2018 18:01:11 GMT -5
Yeah.....I am not using one game as much of a judge for the back up QBs. Not happy with what I saw. But going to wait to see what really may happen Do you remember Eli's first preseason game? He was awful and threw 3 picks. Webb made all the right read, but the throws were all wild high, which is a clear indicator he was trying to hard. This is exactly why the Giants should have played him for the final 3 or 4 games last season, to get all of this out of the way, and to evaluate him. If he still plays poorly by the end of preseason, then the Giants are probably going to sign a vet and Lauletta will be the 3rd string QB. Let's give the guy a chance. I agree....and made the same comments about his reads. But I also won’t be surprised if he doesn’t make it eventually. Most 3rd round QBs don’t. I am in the kids corner tho
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 11, 2018 18:02:57 GMT -5
I just want to see them improve next week, and again the week after. This was the first game with the new coaching staff, and lots of new players. The first teamers barely played. I'll rationalize it for now....
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 12, 2018 7:18:21 GMT -5
Webb has been one of the most outspoken nfl backups in the entire NFL. Lets not forget that. He is always talking about his great arm this and great arm that. Could care less. The game is about execution. Tons of backups rolled out this weekend and executed. You didnt hear about their great attributes they were going to display. Just be quiet and execute. Simple passes, simple reads, wasnt hard and this is his second year. Mac and family went for him early, he was going to drop to the later rounds. I would always give the young guy a pass because we need him to do good but very few nfl players get extended periods of chances. Ive always been skepticle of his throwing motion. His motion kind of reminds me of Kerry Collins. But Mr Collins had an uncanny zip at the end of his motion. Webb still seems to have a slow motion sling all the way through. I bet these 1st string edge rushers would love to put that arm to the test. No doubt I could see them visualizing sack fumbles (tomahawk chops) with that motion.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2018 7:23:52 GMT -5
Webb has been one of the most outspoken nfl backups in the entire NFL. Lets not forget that. He is always talking about his great arm this and great arm that. Could care less. The game is about execution. Tons of backups rolled out this weekend and executed. You didnt hear about their great attributes they were going to display. Just be quiet and execute. Simple passes, simple reads, wasnt hard and this is his second year. Mac and family went for him early, he was going to drop to the later rounds. I would always give the young guy a pass because we need him to do good but very few nfl players get extended periods of chances. Ive always been skepticle of his throwing motion. His motion kind of reminds me of Kerry Collins. But Mr Collins had an uncanny zip at the end of his motion. Webb still seems to have a slow motion sling all the way through. I bet these 1st string edge rushers would love to put that arm to the test. No doubt I could see them visualizing sack fumbles (tomahawk chops) with that motion. he has expressed confidence in himself but he also expressed his areas that arent so good either. he seems up front about everything. yes....his long wind up motion.....Cam and Mike Vick come to mind. Neither a "great" passer so to speak but obviously have had some big time success. I am not a fan of that style of throwing. Not to say it cant work but he needs to develop a quick strike motion too when its is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 8:07:39 GMT -5
Webb has been one of the most outspoken nfl backups in the entire NFL. Lets not forget that. He is always talking about his great arm this and great arm that. Could care less. The game is about execution. Tons of backups rolled out this weekend and executed. You didnt hear about their great attributes they were going to display. Just be quiet and execute. Simple passes, simple reads, wasnt hard and this is his second year. Mac and family went for him early, he was going to drop to the later rounds. I would always give the young guy a pass because we need him to do good but very few nfl players get extended periods of chances. Ive always been skepticle of his throwing motion. His motion kind of reminds me of Kerry Collins. But Mr Collins had an uncanny zip at the end of his motion. Webb still seems to have a slow motion sling all the way through. I bet these 1st string edge rushers would love to put that arm to the test. No doubt I could see them visualizing sack fumbles (tomahawk chops) with that motion. he has expressed confidence in himself but he also expressed his areas that arent so good either. he seems up front about everything. yes....his long wind up motion.....Cam and Mike Vick come to mind. Neither a "great" passer so to speak but obviously have had some big time success. I am not a fan of that style of throwing. Not to say it cant work but he needs to develop a quick strike motion too when its is needed. Cam and Vick are/were tremendous athletes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 10:20:17 GMT -5
Webb has been one of the most outspoken nfl backups in the entire NFL. Lets not forget that. He is always talking about his great arm this and great arm that. Could care less. The game is about execution. Tons of backups rolled out this weekend and executed. You didnt hear about their great attributes they were going to display. Just be quiet and execute. Simple passes, simple reads, wasnt hard and this is his second year. Mac and family went for him early, he was going to drop to the later rounds. I would always give the young guy a pass because we need him to do good but very few nfl players get extended periods of chances. Ive always been skepticle of his throwing motion. His motion kind of reminds me of Kerry Collins. But Mr Collins had an uncanny zip at the end of his motion. Webb still seems to have a slow motion sling all the way through. I bet these 1st string edge rushers would love to put that arm to the test. No doubt I could see them visualizing sack fumbles (tomahawk chops) with that motion. There is nothing wrong with his throwing motion. That's a bit of a stretch. He had a rough night putting the ball where it needed to be, but he did make the right reads. He's not the first backup QB to have a bad preseason game and he won't be the last. As I've said before, Eli's first preseason game was a 3 pick disaster. He'll be given more chances to prove himself over the next 3 games and I'm rooting for the guy. If not, then the Giants will give Lauletta more playing time. Oh, and another thing. It's been the media hyping his arm up. He's been critical of himself as well. It sounds like you have a bias against the guy. Is it because Reese picked him?
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 12, 2018 13:49:20 GMT -5
Biased lol, I just want the NYG backup QB to be NFL caliber backup. Kyle showed potential. God forbid something happens to Eli that the next man up better be qualified. I could care less about the past. The team now started from scratch and the cards have been dealt to the new regime. All 32 teams are looking for backups, we arent the only one. A franchise QB beyond Eli is not on our roster. I wanted Rosen. I would think Rosen will become that, aside from that its a dream that either backup is the next franchise. Why do we have to go into QB hell. Whenever Eli leaves, a Free Agent QB will take his place. I cant understand why some people cant comprehend that. The draft is a crap shoot to find a franchise QB, just sign one. In the meantime, we must have a back up that can manage the game. After all we should have a running game. As for Webb, he has yet to face a true NFL defense , he needs to pick it up or step aside.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2018 17:42:22 GMT -5
he has expressed confidence in himself but he also expressed his areas that arent so good either. he seems up front about everything. yes....his long wind up motion.....Cam and Mike Vick come to mind. Neither a "great" passer so to speak but obviously have had some big time success. I am not a fan of that style of throwing. Not to say it cant work but he needs to develop a quick strike motion too when its is needed. Cam and Vick are/were tremendous athletes. No doubt....but not tremendous QBs. Not great passers of the football. That’s my point. Comparing throwing styles not their athleticism.
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