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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 19:48:12 GMT -5
This is somewhat comforting and would have been welcomed news last night. Too bad Carl Banks made no mention of this.
"One random thought from last night. You can always tell which teams have game planned just a bit for preseason game 1. The Browns last night game planned. Exotic pressures on D. Tons of play action on O… Giants were so basic on offense and defense. They didn’t game plan," Schwartz Tweeted.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 10, 2018 20:07:32 GMT -5
Maybe Banks wasn't aware of that info?
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Post by SG88 on Aug 10, 2018 20:07:34 GMT -5
This is exactly why overreacting to a preseason game is a bad idea. Cleveland won all of their preseason games last year and we all know exactly how beneficial it was for them last year. I follow Geoff on both FB and Twitter. He is 100% correct in his assessment.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 10, 2018 20:30:08 GMT -5
Anyone watching the game saw that.
The Giants were evaluating talent by running certain plays.
The Browns were hell bent on repeating their undefeated pre-season
We learned more and accomplished more in the end than the Browns did, even if it is deciding who won't make this roster.
Understand me here. It doesn't mean that we are a good team. It simply means that it was clear to me that our coaches used the game as an opportunity to evaluate talent while the Browns didn't seem to do that.....exotic blitzes etc.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 21:28:14 GMT -5
Maybe Banks wasn't aware of that info? Banks played the game. He should know the intricacies of what he's seeing no?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 21:29:11 GMT -5
Anyone watching the game saw that. The Giants were evaluating talent by running certain plays. The Browns were hell bent on repeating their undefeated pre-season We learned more and accomplished more in the end than the Browns did, even if it is deciding who won't make this roster. Understand me here. It doesn't mean that we are a good team. It simply means that it was clear to me that our coaches used the game as an opportunity to evaluate talent while the Browns didn't seem to do that.....exotic blitzes etc.
Looked like we were blitzing as well no?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 10, 2018 21:46:02 GMT -5
I don't know how you don't game plan at least a little bit. I know we want to see certain things and were going to see what we wanted to. but that's game planning as well. We couldn't have changed up that defense at least once in awhile ?
Hope we saw what we wanted to because we need to see a little more execution. I do understand we need to see everybody but it was our starters who couldn't get the ball in the end zone and stop our opponent from scoring a TD.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 10, 2018 22:34:33 GMT -5
Anyone watching the game saw that. The Giants were evaluating talent by running certain plays. The Browns were hell bent on repeating their undefeated pre-season We learned more and accomplished more in the end than the Browns did, even if it is deciding who won't make this roster. Understand me here. It doesn't mean that we are a good team. It simply means that it was clear to me that our coaches used the game as an opportunity to evaluate talent while the Browns didn't seem to do that.....exotic blitzes etc.
Looked like we were blitzing as well no?
Been a long time since he last played. Maybe not. Either way, I'd rather we be stout vs the run game all yr, putting up the ball too much can & will lead to a few picks hopefully for us. DG did say his 3 goals are to run the ball, stop the run & get to the QB.
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 10, 2018 22:41:00 GMT -5
I'm sure hoping they don't look this terrible come September
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 22:48:15 GMT -5
This is somewhat comforting and would have been welcomed news last night. Too bad Carl Banks made no mention of this.
"One random thought from last night. You can always tell which teams have game planned just a bit for preseason game 1. The Browns last night game planned. Exotic pressures on D. Tons of play action on O… Giants were so basic on offense and defense. They didn’t game plan," Schwartz Tweeted. Shurmer did say they were a bit run heavy because they wanted to get that going and they did end up with 134 yards on 24 carries something like 5.4 per carrie.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 10, 2018 22:53:41 GMT -5
I'll take a weekly 134ypg at a 5.4 clip every week, that equates to 10+ wins.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 10, 2018 23:02:51 GMT -5
The Giants have been traditionally conservative to their approach in preseason games... Like Shurmer did, we try to find out things about our players and depth, and to run plays to familiarizethe pl;ayers with the offense... and, NOT to beat the other team. To win is secondary. It's always nice, and comforts the coaches as to the teams grasp of the system. Winning is not the goal in a meaningless game. It would have been difficult for the Browns to specifically game plan for the Giants, as we are installing a new offense and defense and even our own players are still learning. But, what the Browms intended to do was win, and rather than be vanilla and just build timing and familiarity and evaluate players, to beat the other team, exposing some of their blitz packages and offensive plays. They want to build a winning culture and player confidence, as they did last season when they were undefeated. It is obviously misguided, especially when the opponent in these games is trying to learn and get familiar, and hasn't got winning as Priority #1, and is a much easier prey than in the regular season. Teams playing the Browns at the beginning of the season will be able to look at the tape of the Brown's preseason games and see blitz patterns, and offensive plays that might be run in their game. People who look at Giant preseason tape will learn nothing. They'd be better off looking at tape of last year's Vikings offense to see what Shurmer might have in store.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 23:04:29 GMT -5
I'll take a weekly 134ypg at a 5.4 clip every week, that equates to 10+ wins. it would sure help keep that defense fresh and off the field and open up the passing gambit's the first game but there were some positives#1 stopping the run #2 running it with conviction
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Post by boxcarwillie on Aug 11, 2018 1:00:17 GMT -5
I've been watching football games for a long long time, and, I had no idea that this was the case. How can you tell who game planned and who didn't? Someone please educate me on this. I want to understand the game better.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2018 8:55:04 GMT -5
Looked like we were blitzing as well no?
Been a long time since he last played. Maybe not. Either way, I'd rather we be stout vs the run game all yr, putting up the ball too much can & will lead to a few picks hopefully for us. DG did say his 3 goals are to run the ball, stop the run & get to the QB. We were stout against the run. That is a good place to start. Guys were running wide open in the secondary. That needs fixing. Once I asked here, "why don't we EVER have guys wide open like other teams seem to have against us?" (like no defender within 10 yards)
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Post by Jaydub on Aug 11, 2018 9:25:22 GMT -5
I've been watching football games for a long long time, and, I had no idea that this was the case. How can you tell who game planned and who didn't? Someone please educate me on this. I want to understand the game better. Its usually pretty obvious when a team appears to be putting in a ton of effort to win a meaningless game. It did look like the Browns were doing this at times, but I can't help but wonder if maybe the Giants just made it look that way by playing badly. I'm still not at all sold on this Giants team winning more than 6-7 games because of the roster still being full of holes, and paper thin in a few areas.
But anyway, to answer your question, a good way to tell if a team has game planned is to watch the trenches mostly. If you see a lot of shifting, or a lot of overloading/blitzing, it's a good bet that they've planned it out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 9:26:31 GMT -5
Anyone watching the game saw that. The Giants were evaluating talent by running certain plays. The Browns were hell bent on repeating their undefeated pre-season We learned more and accomplished more in the end than the Browns did, even if it is deciding who won't make this roster. Understand me here. It doesn't mean that we are a good team. It simply means that it was clear to me that our coaches used the game as an opportunity to evaluate talent while the Browns didn't seem to do that.....exotic blitzes etc.
Looked like we were blitzing as well no?
Yes, they were. I just think everyone needs to calm down and let the preseason play out. This preseason meltdown by the fans happens every season.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 11, 2018 9:30:45 GMT -5
Leave it to the Browns to game plan the first pre season game. Guess they’ll take a W any way they can.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2018 9:32:30 GMT -5
Looked like we were blitzing as well no?
Yes, they were. I just think everyone needs to calm down and let the preseason play out. This preseason meltdown by the fans happens every season. Sadly, though, over the past few years, the posters expressing alarm during the preseason have been right more often than the posters pointing out that it’s only the preseason, the team isn’t game planning, etc.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2018 9:33:35 GMT -5
Leave it to the Browns to game plan the first pre season game. Guess they’ll take a W any way they can. I get it - they are trying to change an ingrained culture of losing....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 10:01:51 GMT -5
Yes, they were. I just think everyone needs to calm down and let the preseason play out. This preseason meltdown by the fans happens every season. Sadly, though, over the past few years, the posters expressing alarm during the preseason have been right more often than the posters pointing out that it’s only the preseason, the team isn’t game planning, etc. I use to express concerns as well and still do. I just don't get upset about it anymore. You and I had a debate over letting Cockrell and DRC go and I believe the secondary is in trouble this season. I also have a concern about the linebackers. I use to get bent out of shape over preseason losses, but I'm just not there anymore. I think this team will win around 7-8 games this season, but would love for them to prove me wrong. As far as game planning, we have a unproven head coach. Is he really any better than McAdoo? Only time will tell. Bettcher is a proven DC, so my only concern on that side of the ball is talent. It's going to take another draft and more free agent signings to get this team back on track. I think you said in another post that you didn't believe the Giants future QB is currently on the roster. You are probably correct. There's going to be a lot of ugly preseason and regular season games until all of these concerns are addressed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 10:06:03 GMT -5
Leave it to the Browns to game plan the first pre season game. Guess they’ll take a W any way they can. So that's a reason to take a cheap shot at them? Did you forget the Giants only won 3 games last season?
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2018 10:25:49 GMT -5
Sadly, though, over the past few years, the posters expressing alarm during the preseason have been right more often than the posters pointing out that it’s only the preseason, the team isn’t game planning, etc. I use to express concerns as well and still do. I just don't get upset about it anymore. You and I had a debate over letting Cockrell and DRC go and I believe the secondary is in trouble this season. I also have a concern about the linebackers. I use to get bent out of shape over preseason losses, but I'm just not there anymore. I think this team will win around 7-8 games this season, but would love for them to prove me wrong. As far as game planning, we have a unproven head coach. Is he really any better than McAdoo? Only time will tell. Bettcher is a proven DC, so my only concern on that side of the ball is talent. It's going to take another draft and more free agent signings to get this team back on track. I think you said in another post that you didn't believe the Giants future QB is currently on the roster. You are probably correct. There's going to be a lot of ugly preseason and regular season games until all of these concerns are addressed. Agreed. Good post
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 11, 2018 11:04:48 GMT -5
Once I asked here, "why don't we EVER have guys wide open like other teams seem to have against us?" (like no defender within 10 yards) This was exactly my comment in another thread. Multiple plays where we didnt have a defender within 5 yards of a receiver. This is not new but it was blatant on Thursday.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Aug 11, 2018 11:15:19 GMT -5
I've been watching football games for a long long time, and, I had no idea that this was the case. How can you tell who game planned and who didn't? Someone please educate me on this. I want to understand the game better. Its usually pretty obvious when a team appears to be putting in a ton of effort to win a meaningless game. It did look like the Browns were doing this at times, but I can't help but wonder if maybe the Giants just made it look that way by playing badly. I'm still not at all sold on this Giants team winning more than 6-7 games because of the roster still being full of holes, and paper thin in a few areas.
But anyway, to answer your question, a good way to tell if a team has game planned is to watch the trenches mostly. If you see a lot of shifting, or a lot of overloading/blitzing, it's a good bet that they've planned it out.
Thanks, I'll look for that.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 11, 2018 11:33:11 GMT -5
Leave it to the Browns to game plan the first pre season game. Guess they’ll take a W any way they can. I get it - they are trying to change an ingrained culture of losing.... I never understood game planning for a pre season game, it should be about player evaluation. But as you said, that franchise has been an utter joke for so long. They’re trying to change what is a disfuctional culture in that organization. Leave it to the Browns to game plan the first pre season game. Guess they’ll take a W any way they can. So that's a reason to take a cheap shot at them? Did you forget the Giants only won 3 games last season? Ah yeah that is a reason to take a cheap shot at them. They’re 31 teams that I take “cheap shots” at. And no I did not forget the 3-13 season last year, matter of fact I still have doubts on the upcoming season. I’m cautiously optimistic.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 11:43:32 GMT -5
I've been watching football games for a long long time, and, I had no idea that this was the case. How can you tell who game planned and who didn't? Someone please educate me on this. I want to understand the game better. Its usually pretty obvious when a team appears to be putting in a ton of effort to win a meaningless game. It did look like the Browns were doing this at times, but I can't help but wonder if maybe the Giants just made it look that way by playing badly. I'm still not at all sold on this Giants team winning more than 6-7 games because of the roster still being full of holes, and paper thin in a few areas.
But anyway, to answer your question, a good way to tell if a team has game planned is to watch the trenches mostly. If you see a lot of shifting, or a lot of overloading/blitzing, it's a good bet that they've planned it out.
I agree. I’d be happy if the Giants were better than 6-10 but I certainly don’t expect it. This team has zero depth and there will be injuries, I don’t understand some of the rampant optimism given how thin this team is with talent in places. It took years of incompetence to get here, why would anyone believe it will be fixed in one off season?
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 11, 2018 11:55:48 GMT -5
Its usually pretty obvious when a team appears to be putting in a ton of effort to win a meaningless game. It did look like the Browns were doing this at times, but I can't help but wonder if maybe the Giants just made it look that way by playing badly. I'm still not at all sold on this Giants team winning more than 6-7 games because of the roster still being full of holes, and paper thin in a few areas.
But anyway, to answer your question, a good way to tell if a team has game planned is to watch the trenches mostly. If you see a lot of shifting, or a lot of overloading/blitzing, it's a good bet that they've planned it out.
I agree. I’d be happy if the Giants were better than 6-10 but I certainly don’t expect it. This team has zero depth and there will be injuries, I don’t understand some of the rampant optimism given how thin this team is with talent in places. It took years of incompetence to get here, why would anyone believe it will be fixed in one off season? Haven't you read the pressers on Saquon? Duh!!! popcorn
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:26:09 GMT -5
I agree. I’d be happy if the Giants were better than 6-10 but I certainly don’t expect it. This team has zero depth and there will be injuries, I don’t understand some of the rampant optimism given how thin this team is with talent in places. It took years of incompetence to get here, why would anyone believe it will be fixed in one off season? Haven't you read the pressers on Saquon? Duh!!! lol! And here! For a fan base that claims to understand how far away this team is, there certainly seems to be no shortage of posters who are now acting like they’re surprised the team isn’t significantly better. Funny stuff.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 11, 2018 12:29:06 GMT -5
Anyone watching the game saw that. The Giants were evaluating talent by running certain plays. The Browns were hell bent on repeating their undefeated pre-season We learned more and accomplished more in the end than the Browns did, even if it is deciding who won't make this roster. Understand me here. It doesn't mean that we are a good team. It simply means that it was clear to me that our coaches used the game as an opportunity to evaluate talent while the Browns didn't seem to do that.....exotic blitzes etc. I would also like to add that you "win" a preseason game whenever you get out of that game without having anyone relevant injured. When OBJ got injured in that preseason game against the Browns last year, it was arguably a season changer and ender for the giants.
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