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Post by Morehead State on Oct 9, 2019 14:22:42 GMT -5
I really don't get the premise of people saying DG made a mistake by signing Odell. Signing ODB and paying that signing bonus money is what allowed DG to get a good return on Beckham. If they don't resign ODB, and let him walk this past offseason, all they get is a 3rd round comp pick for him. By signing him, then trading him, they got a 1st, Peppers and a 3rd rounder. That's a pretty good return considering that the biggest downside with the signing was eating cap space in a year you weren't going to be a player in free agency anyway. Now. I doublt DG planned for it to all happen this way. But. Signing ODB was certainly the right move. They either got the trade out of him, or they kept a great player. And again. ODB may eventually turn into 5 starting players for this team. That's a huge return on moving an asset. We ended up paying Odell over $35MM for 12 games played.
Don't tell me that was a wise decision.
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Post by southerner on Oct 9, 2019 14:24:52 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 14:32:31 GMT -5
I really don't get the premise of people saying DG made a mistake by signing Odell. Signing ODB and paying that signing bonus money is what allowed DG to get a good return on Beckham. If they don't resign ODB, and let him walk this past offseason, all they get is a 3rd round comp pick for him. By signing him, then trading him, they got a 1st, Peppers and a 3rd rounder. That's a pretty good return considering that the biggest downside with the signing was eating cap space in a year you weren't going to be a player in free agency anyway. Now. I doublt DG planned for it to all happen this way. But. Signing ODB was certainly the right move. They either got the trade out of him, or they kept a great player. And again. ODB may eventually turn into 5 starting players for this team. That's a huge return on moving an asset. Please explain this?
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 9, 2019 14:34:10 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. So if I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that he dumped a bunch of good players because they were bad guys in the locker room.....Is this right? Snacks, Vernon, Odell.....all bad dudes? (May I remind you that he SIGNED Odell less than a year before?)
So if he was willing to absorb a $40MM+ dead cap hit in 2019...then why keep Eli? Why add $17MM to that $40MM?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 14:37:39 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. I hate that you feel the need to respond like this and always wonder why people need to do it. Getty has to shoulder some of this cap blame also with the Ogletree trade and the bad signings of Stewart and Omehem(sp). Maybe they needed to way over pay Solder but it's not really amounting to any more wins so there is another cap hit he caused and they now have a declining player with a big contract. They also should've moved on with Eli when they were going to draft Jones which from all indications was at the senior bowl..
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 9, 2019 14:38:32 GMT -5
For all of you who say that 2019 was always going to suck...then why keep Eli? A $17MM mentor? Really? Dave thought 2018 was going to be much better. Then Dave thought 2019 was going to be much better. He was wrong both times. It's clear to me that he "hoped" Eli could function with a better O line and that IF everyone stayed healthy...we could have a decent year. Wrong again. It seems to me one of the biggest problems with our team the last two seasons is that Dave mis-judged them. We have a GM who has shown poor judgement regarding our team over the last two years. We hired him FOR his judgement......Right? Unless you can read minds, you have no idea what DG's true expectations were for this team in either 2018 or 2019. Also, there is a such thing as GMs' saying "hey, we'll give it a shot and if it doesn't work we'll change gears". Going by how quickly he started dumping contracts last year I would say DG wasn't totally convinced that those core players could lead this team anyway special. With the exception of keeping Eli on the roster, every move DG made this past offseason was geared towards the future. Their only significant FA signing was Tate, and they can get out of that contract very easily after this season. And, I have no idea where you think DG thought 2019 was going to be a great year for the team. He maybe thought the offense would improve with Eli with a better OL but I dont think he expected that this team would compete for a playoff spot unless everything broke their way. And even keeping Eli under contract as opposed to cutting him. What would get have really gained by cutting him? Extra cap space in a year they weren't looking for big FA's? They'd still have to sign a vet back-up anyway. Keeping Eli allowed them to evaluate the rest of the offensive roster while having a known commodity at QB. It gave them a true baseline to compare Jones' play to. And, it gives them a good presence in the QB room to mentor the kid. Now, yes, he's very high priced. But. That only matters if they intended to use that cap space in this past year's free agent class. A class that had no top OL, Pass Rushers or WRs available, their biggest needs. Being a GM in real life is not like being a GM in a game. There are a ton players that go into any season with the potential to be either very good, or very mediocre. Could anyone say with any certainty how much they could expect out of Marcus Golden this year? Or how about Hernandez? Mike Remmers? Getty's going to basically live or die by how well Daniel Jones grows as a QB.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 9, 2019 14:40:19 GMT -5
I really don't get the premise of people saying DG made a mistake by signing Odell. Signing ODB and paying that signing bonus money is what allowed DG to get a good return on Beckham. If they don't resign ODB, and let him walk this past offseason, all they get is a 3rd round comp pick for him. By signing him, then trading him, they got a 1st, Peppers and a 3rd rounder. That's a pretty good return considering that the biggest downside with the signing was eating cap space in a year you weren't going to be a player in free agency anyway. Now. I doublt DG planned for it to all happen this way. But. Signing ODB was certainly the right move. They either got the trade out of him, or they kept a great player. And again. ODB may eventually turn into 5 starting players for this team. That's a huge return on moving an asset. We ended up paying Odell over $35MM for 12 games played.
Don't tell me that was a wise decision.
Why is paying hime 35MM for 12 games bad? You and I didn't pay it. And in the end, we got assets out of it. You're getting caught up on salaries when in the NFL it's the cap that matters. And in the year we'll be ready to compete we'll now have an extra 20 mil in cap space and two starters on cheap contracts thanks to that ODB trade.
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Post by southerner on Oct 9, 2019 14:45:05 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. So if I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that he dumped a bunch of good players because they were bad guys in the locker room.....Is this right? Snacks, Vernon, Odell.....all bad dudes? So if he was willing to absorb a $40MM+ dead cap hit in 2019...then why keep Eli? Why add $17MM to that $40MM?
As one reads your inane opening rant, you are rarely right. If you read my post it states that he got rid of cancers AND those overpaid non performers. If you can’t see that, you are clueless. Signing Odell was a leap of faith by ownership, which Gettleman would never have done left to his own devices....just ask Steve Smith and Josh Norman. Paying ANY WR $20M is insane and creates weaknesses everywhere in the roster.......and now the Browns are learning that hard lesson as they now have an offensive line like that Giants had last season. Was Odell a cancer YES he was, and so was Collins. Both teams acquiring them now suck. Still Gettleman was able to gather a whole lot of draft capital by trading Odell that was under contract...3 starters and this is NOT what he would have received if he traded Odell before this contract was in hand.....once again, think.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 9, 2019 14:45:26 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. So if I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that he dumped a bunch of good players because they were bad guys in the locker room.....Is this right? Snacks, Vernon, Odell.....all bad dudes? (May I remind you that he SIGNED Odell less than a year before?)
So if he was willing to absorb a $40MM+ dead cap hit in 2019...then why keep Eli? Why add $17MM to that $40MM?
Who beside OBJ was such great player maybe they were decent but they were paid like top 3 top 5 ,none of them were close and all of them were having issues in the locker room, Snacks and JPP in fighting none of them but OBJ performed up to their contracts LC fighting Apple JJ missing meetings they were healthy and the worst defense in Giants history in 2017, at the end of 4 or 5 years you can judge this front office this is all just housekeeping cleaning up a huge mess after a 7-8 year party.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 9, 2019 14:46:25 GMT -5
The Jets suck. 2-3 isn't so bad, still in the playoff hunt.
I think Gettleman has done a great job for the most part. I have to admit it did bother me when he called the opinion (which I held) that Eli is overpaid and not good at this point of his career a "crock." It was the delusion that we had a playoff team under the last regime and some of the signings we made because of that is the reason why we are still struggling...imo.
I think Gettleman may have had pressure from Mara to ride Eli out 'til retirement...even though I don't have proof. They even asked Shurmur if "he was sure?" he wanted to start Jones...Why second guess the coach?
The last regime did a very bad job that we are still paying for literally (on the books) and in the win/loss column.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 9, 2019 14:47:57 GMT -5
I really don't get the premise of people saying DG made a mistake by signing Odell. Signing ODB and paying that signing bonus money is what allowed DG to get a good return on Beckham. If they don't resign ODB, and let him walk this past offseason, all they get is a 3rd round comp pick for him. By signing him, then trading him, they got a 1st, Peppers and a 3rd rounder. That's a pretty good return considering that the biggest downside with the signing was eating cap space in a year you weren't going to be a player in free agency anyway. Now. I doublt DG planned for it to all happen this way. But. Signing ODB was certainly the right move. They either got the trade out of him, or they kept a great player. And again. ODB may eventually turn into 5 starting players for this team. That's a huge return on moving an asset. Please explain this? They got a 1st round picker for ODB, which turned into Dexter Lawrence, a starter. They got Peppers, another starter. That's two right there. They also got a 3rd rounder, which turn into Ximines. Who is not yet a starter but shows promise. Then, you have to account for the 15million in additional cap space that is freed up for free agents. That 15 mill can easily be used to sign two starting caliber players. So, as I said, the trade has the POTENTIAL to turn into 5 starters for the team.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 9, 2019 14:49:58 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
MS you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs. Your post is really just st rebuild lament. IMO our situation is hopeful. How much space on the cap do we have after this season? How does the Beckham trade look? How much do you like SB and DJ as our foundation? Thanks DG indeed.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 9, 2019 14:52:37 GMT -5
They got a 1st round picker for ODB, which turned into Dexter Lawrence, a starter. They got Peppers, another starter. That's two right there. They also got a 3rd rounder, which turn into Ximines. Who is not yet a starter but shows promise. Then, you have to account for the 15million in additional cap space that is freed up for free agents. That 15 mill can easily be used to sign two starting caliber players. So, as I said, the trade has the POTENTIAL to turn into 5 starters for the team. ...and those 3 players all look good.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2019 14:53:25 GMT -5
Year One - clear out the dead wood Year Two - get rid of the drama, get the QB Year Three - finish building D and finish Oline Year Four - win division Year Five - drink the champagne 🥂
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 9, 2019 14:58:36 GMT -5
You make some very good points, and a lot of them are why the general consensus is the jury is still out on DG and what he has done since he got the job.
I will just submit this. You can't mention the lack of depth, the dead cap money and the swings and misses on players like Omameh, Stewart, etc,. without mentioning what he inherited when he took the job. Did he make all the right decisions? No, but he also had to fill a lot of holes, jettison the players who were contributing to the culture issues, and hit on the majority of his draft picks, all while under the pressure and impatience of being a franchise in NY. If there weren't so many holes and culture issues with the current starters he inherited, then maybe we would have some better depth as well, but we don't.
I will also submit this about OBJ. I honestly don't think DG had any plans to trade him after he signed him.... initially. I think he bought into the good behavior Beckham showed, not holding out, coming in and being a good soldier, and rewarded him. This, only to have him about face, do his stupid lil Wayne interview and throw his QB, coach and NYC under the bus.
So while I agree with a lot of your post, I just think there are circumstances that need to be considered.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Oct 9, 2019 15:03:26 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
I am Dave Gettleman “ We were 5-11 because of the defense” We picked up Eli’s contract as a “Thank you for your service” type of thing. Eli wouldn’t start for any other team in the league unless the starter was injured. Eli should just retire. The bad moves are head scratchers if your bad on another team yeah let’s give this player more money than anybody else and maybe he will play better with no incentive to do so?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:05:50 GMT -5
They got a 1st round picker for ODB, which turned into Dexter Lawrence, a starter. They got Peppers, another starter. That's two right there. They also got a 3rd rounder, which turn into Ximines. Who is not yet a starter but shows promise. Then, you have to account for the 15million in additional cap space that is freed up for free agents. That 15 mill can easily be used to sign two starting caliber players. So, as I said, the trade has the POTENTIAL to turn into 5 starters for the team. I agree about the draft picks and Xman should be the starter at least for this year. Having the cap space to sign other players doesn't count for me since that money could just as easily be used to pay a current player. Thanks for the response..
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Post by cruzsoldier on Oct 9, 2019 15:08:19 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. Southern bumpkin the actual biggest overpaid non-performer over the past few years has been Eli and while we can’t call Eli a cancer we can definitely say he’s killed our cap being paid like he was a good player when he wasn’t worth a wooden nickel. The other players might not have been what Gettleman’s vision was what a Giant looks like but at least they were still producing and the most overpaid was the one killing the team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:12:53 GMT -5
For all of you who say that 2019 was always going to suck...then why keep Eli? A $17MM mentor? Really? Dave thought 2018 was going to be much better. Then Dave thought 2019 was going to be much better. He was wrong both times. It's clear to me that he "hoped" Eli could function with a better O line and that IF everyone stayed healthy...we could have a decent year. Wrong again. It seems to me one of the biggest problems with our team the last two seasons is that Dave mis-judged them. We have a GM who has shown poor judgement regarding our team over the last two years. We hired him FOR his judgement......Right? I agree. In fact, I called for Eli to go after we drafted Jones. It's exactly what should have happened. But, I think you are completely down playing Mara's role in all this.
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Post by yoho on Oct 9, 2019 15:14:22 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
I don’t know how you could have expected any GM to get the roster and salary cap fixed in two years given the complete disaster it was in?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:15:52 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. Why must you act like an asshole ALL THE TIME?
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2019 15:20:48 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. Why must you act like an asshole ALL THE TIME? What? You never heard the story about the frog and the scorpion?
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 9, 2019 15:22:00 GMT -5
For all of you who say that 2019 was always going to suck...then why keep Eli? A $17MM mentor? Really? Dave thought 2018 was going to be much better. Then Dave thought 2019 was going to be much better. He was wrong both times. It's clear to me that he "hoped" Eli could function with a better O line and that IF everyone stayed healthy...we could have a decent year. Wrong again. It seems to me one of the biggest problems with our team the last two seasons is that Dave mis-judged them. We have a GM who has shown poor judgement regarding our team over the last two years. We hired him FOR his judgement......Right? I agree. In fact, I called for Eli to go after we drafted Jones. It's exactly what should have happened. But, I think you are completely down playing Mara's role in all this. I think that you might be underestimating the FO's desire to bring DJ in to the Giants fold as smoothly as possible. There is no one on the planet more suited to guiding the next franchise QB than Eli...a lot of money, but a small investment when you consider the value that has
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:22:32 GMT -5
Why must you act like an asshole ALL THE TIME? What? You never heard the story about the frog and the scorpion? He must be one of the frog's warts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:25:55 GMT -5
I agree. In fact, I called for Eli to go after we drafted Jones. It's exactly what should have happened. But, I think you are completely down playing Mara's role in all this. I think that you might be underestimating the FO's desire to bring DJ in to the Giants fold as smoothly as possible. There is no one on the planet more suited to guiding the next franchise QB than Eli...a lot of money, but a small investment when you consider the value that has I don't have an issue with keeping Eli because we weren't going to compete this year anyway and our cap space next year is what I'm really looking forward to. But I don't think he should have ever started over Jones.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2019 15:27:56 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. So if I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that he dumped a bunch of good players because they were bad guys in the locker room.....Is this right? Snacks, Vernon, Odell.....all bad dudes? (May I remind you that he SIGNED Odell less than a year before?)
So if he was willing to absorb a $40MM+ dead cap hit in 2019...then why keep Eli? Why add $17MM to that $40MM?
I have to say your a better man than me with how calmly you took the usual abuse he spews.... If he didn't have the not so well hidden hate agenda twards a certain player I might actually agree with some of what he said. *some*
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2019 15:28:47 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. Why must you act like an asshole ALL THE TIME? Thank you
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 9, 2019 15:29:44 GMT -5
I think that you might be underestimating the FO's desire to bring DJ in to the Giants fold as smoothly as possible. There is no one on the planet more suited to guiding the next franchise QB than Eli...a lot of money, but a small investment when you consider the value that has I don't have an issue with keeping Eli because we weren't going to compete this year anyway and our cap space next year is what I'm really looking forward to. But I don't think he should have ever started over Jones. Well...to be clear, I would also have let Eli go post draft, but the organization is way more conservative than either one of us. I obviously never saw Jones in live fire against starters, but it's pretty hard to not believe he looked better than Eli all summer.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 9, 2019 15:35:02 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. ...can I assume that Morehead is sleeping with your ex-wife? Because that would be about he only thing that would explain the tone of your response.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2019 15:36:34 GMT -5
They got a 1st round picker for ODB, which turned into Dexter Lawrence, a starter. They got Peppers, another starter. That's two right there. They also got a 3rd rounder, which turn into Ximines. Who is not yet a starter but shows promise. Then, you have to account for the 15million in additional cap space that is freed up for free agents. That 15 mill can easily be used to sign two starting caliber players. So, as I said, the trade has the POTENTIAL to turn into 5 starters for the team. I agree about the draft picks and Xman should be the starter at least for this year. Having the cap space to sign other players doesn't count for me since that money could just as easily be used to pay a current player. Thanks for the response.. My point (I'll answer you here ) If this is truly a classic old school rebuild with rookies and young players,no free agent band aids this year,is having all this dead money really a bad thing if the team was dead set on a complete reset? Band aids are what this team has been doing since going going all the way back to the 2000 season. It's hard to build a good core of young players when many positions are tied up with an aging band aid,to overcome bad drafting (and let's face it,we have been below average drafting going back to even 1990 as far as having a nice class with very few outleir exceptions) Doing this forced the team to have to commit 100% to playing the young players and right away. Once Eli,Tree and Jenkins are off the books next year we might have one of the youngest teams in history with a lot of upside and a ton of cap room.
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