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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2019 20:51:14 GMT -5
Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something has hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do.
His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. The last several years of football misery lies at one person's feet. Hey man. I made a lot of good points. You only bolded two of them. 😎
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2019 20:59:22 GMT -5
The last several years of football misery lies at one person's feet. who's? check please.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Oct 9, 2019 21:13:21 GMT -5
For all of you who say that 2019 was always going to suck...then why keep Eli? A $17MM mentor? Really? Dave thought 2018 was going to be much better. Then Dave thought 2019 was going to be much better. He was wrong both times. It's clear to me that he "hoped" Eli could function with a better O line and that IF everyone stayed healthy...we could have a decent year. Wrong again. It seems to me one of the biggest problems with our team the last two seasons is that Dave mis-judged them. We have a GM who has shown poor judgement regarding our team over the last two years. We hired him FOR his judgement......Right? First off no GM's judgement is right ALL the time. Dave's best attribute to date is to admit a mistake and move on quickly from that. A refreshing change from watching JR's rotten draft picks get 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances to prove they didn't stink. As far as the dead cap money that was admitting this was never going to be about this year but have max cap flexibility for next year. What would the extra 17million in cap space this year translate to in terms of extra wins if Eli was cut? 1 or 2 maybe? You or I can't quantify how Eli mentoring DJ means. They were never making the playoffs this year if DJ was starting game 1, game 3 or game 17 so what's the 17 million going to matter this year. Its still going to be free for next year.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Oct 9, 2019 21:20:10 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. So if I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that he dumped a bunch of good players because they were bad guys in the locker room.....Is this right? Snacks, Vernon, Odell.....all bad dudes? (May I remind you that he SIGNED Odell less than a year before?)
So if he was willing to absorb a $40MM+ dead cap hit in 2019...then why keep Eli? Why add $17MM to that $40MM?
It would help your argument if ANY of the bad dudes (your term) was doing a goddam thing with their new teams. The Zeitler for Vernon swap has been completelt ignored by you in any of your posts. The roster is significantly younger and cheaper than it was last year with a ton of cap room this off season and a starting QB on a rookie contract. The chances are just as great that you will be eating crow than you are right about DG.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 21:27:39 GMT -5
The last several years of football misery lies at one person's feet. Hey man. I made a lot of good points. You only bolded two of them. 😎 Those were my favorites
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 21:28:21 GMT -5
The last several years of football misery lies at one person's feet. who's? Eli, of course.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 9, 2019 21:57:51 GMT -5
It is year two. How much improvement do you see? Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something that hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do. His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. He didn't sign Eli to an extension this is his original last contract.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 9, 2019 22:09:08 GMT -5
It is year two. How much improvement do you see? Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something that hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do. His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. One thing that can't be denied is the OL is much improved they aren't perfect but they hold up pretty good, since sequon and then Gallman went out the OL has been under siege with tons of pressure, Dexter Lawrence is looking like he can be in the top 5 in the NFL pretty fast, I don't care when people go after DG for good reason, but just to do it and blame him for past mistakes he is cleaning up is petty he has done all a GM can do with 2 drafts if he keeps drafting like this the Giants will be saving their cap cash to pay their own free agents not other peoples rejects, teams don't let healthy good players make it to free agency.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 9, 2019 22:16:20 GMT -5
For all of you who say that 2019 was always going to suck...then why keep Eli? A $17MM mentor? Really? Dave thought 2018 was going to be much better. Then Dave thought 2019 was going to be much better. He was wrong both times. It's clear to me that he "hoped" Eli could function with a better O line and that IF everyone stayed healthy...we could have a decent year. Wrong again. It seems to me one of the biggest problems with our team the last two seasons is that Dave mis-judged them. We have a GM who has shown poor judgement regarding our team over the last two years. We hired him FOR his judgement......Right? First off no GM's judgement is right ALL the time. Dave's best attribute to date is to admit a mistake and move on quickly from that. A refreshing change from watching JR's rotten draft picks get 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances to prove they didn't stink. As far as the dead cap money that was admitting this was never going to be about this year but have max cap flexibility for next year. What would the extra 17million in cap space this year translate to in terms of extra wins if Eli was cut? 1 or 2 maybe? You or I can't quantify how Eli mentoring DJ means. They were never making the playoffs this year if DJ was starting game 1, game 3 or game 17 so what's the 17 million going to matter this year. Its still going to be free for next year. The thing with this is there was a whole team to rebuild top to bottom depth and all, in 2017 this team was in shambles the culture was infighting and guys that could care less about winning or losing as long as they got their fat checks, people act like there was a choice here like they could keep the guys that were traded or let walk they were bad team mates and not one from JPP to Snacks wanted anything to do with leadership, I think the team as a whole is in abetter place the culture is professional now as they ad talent it will only get better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 9, 2019 22:26:57 GMT -5
Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something has hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do.
His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. The last several years of football misery lies at one person's feet. All the JR guys can't wait to pile on Gettlemen I have to laugh, the omameh deal and stewart were cheap contract especially Stewart every game he missed the team was getting money back, Omameh was very cheap for OL 4 mill year, Pugh got 9.5 and was a bust last year Richberg got 9 and was worse last year, he is average this year, they were mistakes but not some killer mistake, why don't they bring up Zietler a top 5 guard for OV a below average DE getting paid top 5 money that trade was a big win, OBJ isn't looking to bad either Peppers making plays Lawrence getting sacks 18 pressures and 9 hits and Xman putting pretty good numbers .
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Post by southerner on Oct 10, 2019 5:35:35 GMT -5
Please, Gettleman did the right thing to clear the books and rid the team of cancers and overpaid non-performers. Reese is the moron that put the Giants in cap hell. Gettleman is now unwinding it. Only a nitwit would think he wasn’t right to do what he did. Perhaps if you relaxed and thought about it carefully you would understand.....but after reading this I’ll-conceived rant it is clear that thinking may not be your strong suit. Why must you act like an asshole ALL THE TIME? I guess that comes with being right all the time.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 10, 2019 6:03:21 GMT -5
I’ve been bashing Gettleman since the day he got hired. What is the common responses when Gettleman is questioned with his moves? He’s fixing a broken culture, he found our QB, it takes time to rebuild, blah blah blah. So far we’re still losing.. again.. Shocking, and we’re rebuilding, well it seems Gettleman took notes from how to rebuild Rome. Because it seems it will take forever to finally get it fixed. He not only tore the team apart, but he has found new and exotic ways to rebuild the roster two straight years. One year we’re a win now team, BS, the next we’re rebuilding. What’s the plan? Is there a plan? If so let me know.. I’m so glad that not only are we losing, but we’re losing with class. Everything the OP stated is true, you can polish a turd all you want and give it a nice name. But it’s still a turd. When the wins start coming I’ll start to have faith, until then bring on the loses.. Because they’re coming I really don't understand your line of thinking on this. I really don't. All of the stuff you are calling "blah blah blah" are actual facts!! Do you think the mess he inherited was going to be fixed overnight? Are you an "instant gratification" millennial? We are all sick of losing, but you have to be more realistic. This team has sucked for years. Give the ****ing guy a break and let's see how things play out. He's not going anywhere anytime soon. That’s where people misconstrue instant gratification for not having faith in the final results. 7-14 since becoming the GM those are facts! Everyone here saying it takes time it will work out, are met with so far it hasn’t been shown. At the end of the day wins matter, and as it has been shown throughout the league a rebuild can happen in a timely fashion. Not give him 4 years and let’s hope it all works out. Because that’s all you got is hope, you have nothing to back your comments. Where are the results? Where is the progression that their is light at the end of the tunnel? You’re assuming it will get better, you’re trusting that he will fix what is wrong with the franchise. I on the other hand do not trust he will fix what is hurting this team, I feel he has made them worse. And I am giving the guy a break, it’s been two weeks since I’ve ridiculed and mocked the man. I call that giving him a HUGE break.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 7:02:11 GMT -5
I agree about the draft picks and Xman should be the starter at least for this year. Having the cap space to sign other players doesn't count for me since that money could just as easily be used to pay a current player. Thanks for the response.. My point (I'll answer you here ) If this is truly a classic old school rebuild with rookies and young players,no free agent band aids this year,is having all this dead money really a bad thing if the team was dead set on a complete reset? Band aids are what this team has been doing since going going all the way back to the 2000 season. It's hard to build a good core of young players when many positions are tied up with an aging band aid,to overcome bad drafting (and let's face it,we have been below average drafting going back to even 1990 as far as having a nice class with very few outleir exceptions) Doing this forced the team to have to commit 100% to playing the young players and right away. Once Eli,Tree and Jenkins are off the books next year we might have one of the youngest teams in history with a lot of upside and a ton of cap room. I don't see anything to dispute your comment. Not sure how this applies our discussion claiming that too many bad decisions have lead to having too much dead money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 7:03:59 GMT -5
I was wondering why nobody was discussing all the dead money and how hard it is to field a competitive team with this much. I guess we now get the chance and like others are saying it's 2020 for them or see you later! He is at an inherent disadvantage . His team has 18% less of the cap to spend because of the enormous dead cap money Is there a purpose for this post?
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Post by GameTime on Oct 10, 2019 7:13:58 GMT -5
So Gettleman is/was an Eli fan thinking he could get some magic back. He was wrong.....so freaking what. GMs are wrong all the time with some decisions. Happens to all of them every season in varying degrees. Its not the end of the world or the Giants. Some of you act like Gettleman committed treason. He tried to rebuild the team and had faith they could still be competitive. Its didnt work out.......oh well you just keep trying to move forward. Bottom line he is still rebuilding and seemingly found the next franchise QB. So far he is ahead of the game IMO.
His primary objective as the NYGs GM was to find the next franchise QB and to rebuild to get the team competitive again. He isnt done yet and is only 21 games into his job.
Everybody calm the EFF down.....geeze.
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2019 7:14:38 GMT -5
Is there a purpose for this post? I have talking about the dead cap for a while. The main reason we lack depth is because of the big contracts. The dead cap is a direct result of the previous staffs poor money management.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 7:18:46 GMT -5
Is there a purpose for this post? I have talking about the dead cap for a while. The main reason we lack depth is because of the big contracts. The dead cap is a direct result of the previous staffs poor money management. This staff has done just as poorly with bad contracts and dead money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 7:40:31 GMT -5
I really don't understand your line of thinking on this. I really don't. All of the stuff you are calling "blah blah blah" are actual facts!! Do you think the mess he inherited was going to be fixed overnight? Are you an "instant gratification" millennial? We are all sick of losing, but you have to be more realistic. This team has sucked for years. Give the ****ing guy a break and let's see how things play out. He's not going anywhere anytime soon. That’s where people misconstrue instant gratification for not having faith in the final results. 7-14 since becoming the GM those are facts! Everyone here saying it takes time it will work out, are met with so far it hasn’t been shown. At the end of the day wins matter, and as it has been shown throughout the league a rebuild can happen in a timely fashion. Not give him 4 years and let’s hope it all works out. Because that’s all you got is hope, you have nothing to back your comments. Where are the results? Where is the progression that their is light at the end of the tunnel? You’re assuming it will get better, you’re trusting that he will fix what is wrong with the franchise. I on the other hand do not trust he will fix what is hurting this team, I feel he has made them worse. And I am giving the guy a break, it’s been two weeks since I’ve ridiculed and mocked the man. I call that giving him a HUGE break. Complete and utter nonsense. You're still demanding immediate results, so I've "misconstrued" nothing. Yes.....hope is what I have. It's all anyone can have at this point, especially considering that he's going to be given the time to try and right the ship anyway. There's nothing we can do about it. So, I HOPE that Gettleman can get it done. You've already given up your hope, so now all you have is uneducated whining about "results" after 1 season and 5 games. This team is full of young players, a few good vets and guys that have to be replaced. Good teams and organizations don't replace coaches and GM's every couple of years because they didn't get immediate results. The few times a team was able to turn things around in one season already had most of it's nucleus built and were just missing 1 or 2 pieces. I'm not assuming anything. I have no idea if it will get better. I HOPE it will. You, on the other hand, are already ASSUMING that it won't.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 7:49:36 GMT -5
I have talking about the dead cap for a while. The main reason we lack depth is because of the big contracts. The dead cap is a direct result of the previous staffs poor money management. This staff has done just as poorly with bad contracts and dead money. Your comment is correct but it is incomplete. 90% of the current regime's poor money management came from the OBJ trade (1 deal). Who knows's if Gentlemen even wanted OBJ, I'm leaning to towards no. Gentlemen had to deal with a horrible OLine, and a laundry list of players that were never going to get the Giants to the top. What's worse, dealing with replacing 1 player or having to replace 12?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 7:57:28 GMT -5
This staff has done just as poorly with bad contracts and dead money. Your comment is correct but it is incomplete. 90% of the current regime's poor money management came from the OBJ trade (1 deal). Who knows's if Gentlemen even wanted OBJ, I'm leaning to towards no. Gentlemen had to deal with a horrible OLine, and a laundry list of players that were never going to get the Giants to the top. What's worse, dealing with replacing 1 player or having to replace 12? I'm sorry I don't have the money break down can you show this 90% being only the Beckham contract? As for bad contracts that goes to Solder and trading a 4th rounder to take on the Ogletree contract. The stewart and Omameh were also bad contracts that were questioned early and often out here. Not sure why you asked the question.. Please explain the point.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 8:26:48 GMT -5
So if I'm understanding you correctly you are saying that he dumped a bunch of good players because they were bad guys in the locker room.....Is this right? Snacks, Vernon, Odell.....all bad dudes? (May I remind you that he SIGNED Odell less than a year before?)
So if he was willing to absorb a $40MM+ dead cap hit in 2019...then why keep Eli? Why add $17MM to that $40MM?
It would help your argument if ANY of the bad dudes (your term) was doing a goddam thing with their new teams. The Zeitler for Vernon swap has been completelt ignored by you in any of your posts. The roster is significantly younger and cheaper than it was last year with a ton of cap room this off season and a starting QB on a rookie contract. The chances are just as great that you will be eating crow than you are right about DG. He has an agenda
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 10, 2019 9:22:34 GMT -5
It is year two. How much improvement do you see? Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something that hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do. His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. I liked the Zeitler trade but it costed us a lot in this year's cap. Frankly I don't know why the Browns traded him. Their O line is a huge problem there.
And I'm fine with letting Collins go because the FA market was going to overpay....and it did.
But he also got rid of some really good players. Guys like Snacks and Devon Kennard.
But my complaint is more about the complete lack of depth created by all these moves. It's devastated our ability to fill our roster. If you include Eli, we have almost $60MM going to guys who aren't on the field. So we have one vet CB on the roster. We have a practice squad guy starting at RB because we carried only two RB's into the season. We have no depth at O line at all. Just wait until someone gets hurt there. We have no depth at LB. Look who we had to start when we lost a few guys last week.
It seems to me that Dave's plan in 2019 was to hope and pray that no one gets hurt. I don't think that's a good strategy.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 9:28:13 GMT -5
Your comment is correct but it is incomplete. 90% of the current regime's poor money management came from the OBJ trade (1 deal). Who knows's if Gentlemen even wanted OBJ, I'm leaning to towards no. Gentlemen had to deal with a horrible OLine, and a laundry list of players that were never going to get the Giants to the top. What's worse, dealing with replacing 1 player or having to replace 12? I'm sorry I don't have the money break down can you show this 90% being only the Beckham contract? As for bad contracts that goes to Solder and trading a 4th rounder to take on the Ogletree contract. The stewart and Omameh were also bad contracts that were questioned early and often out here. Not sure why you asked the question.. Please explain the point. Solder's contract was a necessary evil and the old regime is directly responsible for it. Gettleman picked up the best FA left tackle on the market and overpaid for him. What was the alternative here? Go with Ereck Flowers protecting Eli's / or new QB? Was he supposed to let the team be paralyzed? OBJ's dead CAP hit this year is $16 Million, of the approximate $34 Million dollar total dead cap. The Bulk majority of the remaining dead cap came from Vernon, Snacks and Eli Apple (Reese's pieces).
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Post by jmike on Oct 10, 2019 9:32:38 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Not to spoil your rant, but we actually had 3 RBs and a FB who can also fill the role to enter the season. Barkley, Gallman, Perkins and Penny.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 9:39:07 GMT -5
Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something that hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do. His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. I liked the Zeitler trade but it costed us a lot in this year's cap. Frankly I don't know why the Browns traded him. Their O line is a huge problem there.
And I'm fine with letting Collins go because the FA market was going to overpay....and it did.
But he also got rid of some really good players. Guys like Snacks and Devon Kennard.
But my complaint is more about the complete lack of depth created by all these moves. It's devastated our ability to fill our roster. If you include Eli, we have almost $60MM going to guys who aren't on the field. So we have one vet CB on the roster. We have a practice squad guy starting at RB because we carried only two RB's into the season. We have no depth at O line at all. Just wait until someone gets hurt there. We have no depth at LB. Look who we had to start when we lost a few guys last week.
It seems to me that Dave's plan in 2019 was to hope and pray that no one gets hurt. I don't think that's a good strategy.
I'll disagree with you on this premise, And I say this as probably one of the few that agreed 100% at the time about the Odell trade He went full roster blow up at that point and wanted an absolutely clean 2020 for dead money and setting next year to really push the team to be back in contention,and having a bunch of cap albatrosses still wound have prevented this. Think about the timeline Combine,Shurmer probably identified at least 2 qbs he knew would be the next guy(I think the other guy was Grier and I'm certain the trade up that eventually became Baker was made at the Combine as plan b for the backup plan,and they ended up following through because they decided to get their corner ),The Odell talks started around then probably,they both decided to at that time use 2019 as a developmental/evaluation year,decided at that time no more long term band aids(let's face it,thos team was band aiding issues since 2000 to cover from below average drafts from the mid 90s),grow as much as the team organically and possible,build the trenches (I actually think Zeitler can play into his mid 30s so I can see an extension maybe next year with a young kid waiting in the wings in case he falls off).. They knew depth would be an issue,but at the same time got the green light from Mara to take this approach,which is why we aren't seeing any panic moves that could mess up what little cap space we have this year or dig into next years space.All solutions this year have to come from within I understand people being restless but perspective. How many fan bases have seen 1 superbowl a decade the past 40 years? Not you, but i see a bunch of spoiled children that want instant gratification that can't see that this is how you build a team around a franchise QB for more than a 1 year wonder type Lombardi,if/when this is finished for once we can have a dominant team for 7-10 years ...that seems to be the longterm goal
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 10, 2019 9:57:50 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
Not to spoil your rant, but we actually had 3 RBs and a FB who can also fill the role to enter the season. Barkley, Gallman, Perkins and Penny. Inactive then released. Not sure what good a player is if he's in street clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 10:18:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry I don't have the money break down can you show this 90% being only the Beckham contract? As for bad contracts that goes to Solder and trading a 4th rounder to take on the Ogletree contract. The stewart and Omameh were also bad contracts that were questioned early and often out here. Not sure why you asked the question.. Please explain the point. Solder's contract was a necessary evil and the old regime is directly responsible for it. Gettleman picked up the best FA left tackle on the market and overpaid for him. What was the alternative here? Go with Ereck Flowers protecting Eli's / or new QB? Was he supposed to let the team be paralyzed? OBJ's dead CAP hit this year is $16 Million, of the approximate $34 Million dollar total dead cap. The Bulk majority of the remaining dead cap came from Vernon, Snacks and Eli Apple (Reese's pieces). If the team is truly rebuilding then signing Solder was a big mistake. There are many teams in need of a LT and none of them signed him so why did the Giants have to when the team was going nowhere. They still haven't drafted a decent oline tackle to be groomed which is confusing..
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 10:26:16 GMT -5
Solder's contract was a necessary evil and the old regime is directly responsible for it. Gettleman picked up the best FA left tackle on the market and overpaid for him. What was the alternative here? Go with Ereck Flowers protecting Eli's / or new QB? Was he supposed to let the team be paralyzed? OBJ's dead CAP hit this year is $16 Million, of the approximate $34 Million dollar total dead cap. The Bulk majority of the remaining dead cap came from Vernon, Snacks and Eli Apple (Reese's pieces). If the team is truly rebuilding then signing Solder was a big mistake. There are many teams in need of a LT and none of them signed him so why did the Giants have to when the team was going nowhere. They still haven't drafted a decent oline tackle to be groomed which is confusing.. I disagree 100%. Solder's signing was a great decision. They have a truckload of cap space next year and they still don't have a LT of the future. Do you think Joe Schmo anyone can be a Left Tackle and protect Daniel Jones Blindside better than Solder? Do I need to remind you of the Ereck Flower years? How would a nobody left tackle aid in Daniel Jones's development? People were half joking about Daniel Jones being Dereck Carr'd. Well the chances of being Dereck Carr'd would go up like 50% if a chump like Ereck Flowers was protecting Daniel Jones's blindside. No development, just injury and turning into a shell shocked QB with no upside.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 10:30:15 GMT -5
Solder's contract was a necessary evil and the old regime is directly responsible for it. Gettleman picked up the best FA left tackle on the market and overpaid for him. What was the alternative here? Go with Ereck Flowers protecting Eli's / or new QB? Was he supposed to let the team be paralyzed? OBJ's dead CAP hit this year is $16 Million, of the approximate $34 Million dollar total dead cap. The Bulk majority of the remaining dead cap came from Vernon, Snacks and Eli Apple (Reese's pieces). If the team is truly rebuilding then signing Solder was a big mistake. There are many teams in need of a LT and none of them signed him so why did the Giants have to when the team was going nowhere. They still haven't drafted a decent oline tackle to be groomed which is confusing.. They needed a stopgap there to buy time to get a young guy in to take over Hated ths contract but I understand the thinking
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 10:42:59 GMT -5
If the team is truly rebuilding then signing Solder was a big mistake. There are many teams in need of a LT and none of them signed him so why did the Giants have to when the team was going nowhere. They still haven't drafted a decent oline tackle to be groomed which is confusing.. They needed a stopgap there to buy time to get a young guy in to take over Hated ths contract but I understand the thinking The contract is atrocious but I loved the concept and it's Economics 101 (Supply & Demand). It was a new GM that was actively trying to improve a major position of need and he signed the best available LT on the market. To anyone who bitches about that move, tell me a viable alternative that doesn't consist of having our rookie quarterback shell-shocked and developmentally set back....
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