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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 12:16:51 GMT -5
I have said more than once we can "grow our own" we don't have to sign and spend on one. Via the draft agreed. Signing and spending on one with how much the good ones cost is stupid. But there are a select group on her that are "anybody but a reciever" until mr irrelevant,those are the delusional clueless ones that don't understand the BPA gets you the best football players,including recievers So I'm clueless and delusional in your world. You complain about people out here all the time while responding like this all the time is hypocrisy at it's finest. You can be a better person I think so how about making that a new goal?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 12:17:06 GMT -5
There is a group of agenda based posters that come out every now and then, it isn't perfect but most people who have followed this team and their draft know 2009 to 2017 they were putrid and the laughing stock of the NFL come draft time, that wasn't getting fixed a year and a half or 2 years, we will all know where this team is at the end of year 4 and 5 and I fully expect this GM will be here unless health or something else knocks him out, as I said if the talent pol was bigger and you got 15 or 16 picks a year you might have a chance for a 2 year turn around. 100% agree. I want the Giants to be a perennially good to great team. I'm am not looking for an instant gratification GM that is making decisions to win a few extra games in a go nowhere year to save his own butt. I see a team in rebuild mode with their QB of the future (Major part of a team) and a bunch of rookies developing. I just don't understand threads like this because the majority of the board knew that this was a rebuilding year and a year to get Jones some experience and crap ton of dead money. Theads like this are distancing this futility from the people who caused this mess, defending that free agent spending spree is crazy they gave OV as much as JJ Watt gets, that should be against the rules, they paid Snacks and JPP top dollar and they are fighting arguing in the locker room JJ is an average corner his only real good year was 2016 he gets big money, Collins and Apple fighting who was right or wrong now that we have seen Collins act like a child what was salvageable looking at this nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 12:18:54 GMT -5
There is a group of agenda based posters that come out every now and then, it isn't perfect but most people who have followed this team and their draft know 2009 to 2017 they were putrid and the laughing stock of the NFL come draft time, that wasn't getting fixed a year and a half or 2 years, we will all know where this team is at the end of year 4 and 5 and I fully expect this GM will be here unless health or something else knocks him out, as I said if the talent pol was bigger and you got 15 or 16 picks a year you might have a chance for a 2 year turn around. 100% agree. I want the Giants to be a perennially good to great team. I'm am not looking for an instant gratification GM that is making decisions to win a few extra games in a go nowhere year to save his own butt. I see a team in rebuild mode with their QB of the future (Major part of a team) and a bunch of rookies developing. I just don't understand threads like this because the majority of the board knew that this was a rebuilding year and a year to get Jones some experience and crap ton of dead money. That certainly describes Getty's 1st year here.. Just saying..
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5
So reach for a LT, like Ereck flowers? What draft pick are you replacing for this LT? There is an astronomical chance you aren't getting a better than Solder LT outside the 2nd round. So in 2018, are you letting go of Barkley or Hernandez? In 2019, you not picking your QB of the future Daniel Jones over a LT? You not drafted Dexter Lawrence, DT was also a major position of need and he has been doing very well, Baker? year maybe, but Corner was also a major position of need. See, it's not that easy, right? You really need to chill out and remember what was written before. Trade the 2018 #2 pick for a few more high end picks and you have multiple opportunities to select a LT. Seems like the Colts nailed it that year and the Giants had a better slot to trade with and they didn't. Nobody ever said it was easy so why even say that? You do know that this is just a discussion on why some people aren't drinking the Getty cool-aid and think he's not doing a good enough job? BTW.. The Baker move also took a way a 4th and a 5th so there's two more decent picks that were traded for a player who really needs to improve year 2. He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 10, 2019 12:23:56 GMT -5
I've come to realize with this team that you have to look at what they do, not what they say. This year, they said that Eli was the starter, he has a lot left, wouldn't rule out re-signing him, etc. What did they do? Picked a QB at #6 in the draft and let Eli play out the last year of his deal. This year they said that this was not a re-build, that we could be competitive this year. What did they do? Took dead cap hits this year (which will be gone next year) to get rid of some guys and started our rookie QB in game 3. Didn't sign any veteran RB's or LB's when the injuries hit. No Gm is gonna get up to the podium and tell the fan base we are starting from scratch here we have a long rebuild and a lot of work to do here, and he definitely isn't throwing the QB under the bus what he tells ownership and Eli are 2 different things then what goes out for public consumption, Mara said it was gonna take time he knew and knew it because the GM told him, he owes it to his boss not to us, I think his biggest mistake was trying to salvage the guys that were traded but then again maybe he waited hoping to build up a market. Good point. After the way his second season ended, Apple probably had zero market until he got on the field last year.
Not sure about Snacks.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 10, 2019 12:25:44 GMT -5
You really need to chill out and remember what was written before. Trade the 2018 #2 pick for a few more high end picks and you have multiple opportunities to select a LT. Seems like the Colts nailed it that year and the Giants had a better slot to trade with and they didn't. Nobody ever said it was easy so why even say that? You do know that this is just a discussion on why some people aren't drinking the Getty cool-aid and think he's not doing a good enough job? BTW.. The Baker move also took a way a 4th and a 5th so there's two more decent picks that were traded for a player who really needs to improve year 2. He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. Gettleman also said that he told his people to stop answering calls about the #2 pick, which was just dumb.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 10, 2019 12:27:05 GMT -5
The idea that all of these issues could have been addressed and resolved in his tenure here is laugh out loud funny. It left him with no weapons? There are some folks here that are so deluded that they actually believe the Giants weapons were recently among the best in the league. Now that is some funny if not completely agenda driven nonsense. No weapons because when guys get hurt, we have no one to step it. NO veteran depth. We had no depth anyway, I think the team needs to get starting talent before it can build depth and it has been bereft of both - other than the random offensive player - for quite some time.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 10, 2019 12:27:33 GMT -5
Fair question. Well, they’ve seemingly had two good drafts in a row. That’s something that hasn’t happened in forever. Also, they have what’s a pretty good bet to be their franchise QB. That’s really what this year had to be all about. Additionally, he shed the inherited contracts of Apple, Vernon and others and ate the money in a year when they weren’t going to be in the playoff hunt. He cut Flowers and Hart. For that alone he should get the Nobel prize. And he got rid of the biggest headache in team history before said headache could throw a wrench into the development of the young QB with his non stop drama. He let Collins walk instead of overpaying for him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But the Beckham issue is on the owner. We both know that GMs don’t write $90m checks. Owners do. And GMs don’t burn huge money to move a guy, owners do. His mistakes are well documented with Omaneh, Stewart and others. But he owned those quickly. Eli’s signing was another mistake. Again I feel it was in large part influenced by ownership. They are finally on the right track. They just need Mara to stay out of it. I liked the Zeitler trade but it costed us a lot in this year's cap. Frankly I don't know why the Browns traded him. Their O line is a huge problem there.
And I'm fine with letting Collins go because the FA market was going to overpay....and it did.
But he also got rid of some really good players. Guys like Snacks and Devon Kennard.
But my complaint is more about the complete lack of depth created by all these moves. It's devastated our ability to fill our roster. If you include Eli, we have almost $60MM going to guys who aren't on the field. So we have one vet CB on the roster. We have a practice squad guy starting at RB because we carried only two RB's into the season. We have no depth at O line at all. Just wait until someone gets hurt there. We have no depth at LB. Look who we had to start when we lost a few guys last week.
It seems to me that Dave's plan in 2019 was to hope and pray that no one gets hurt. I don't think that's a good strategy.
Honestly I think his plan for this year was to: 1. Get a franchise QB 2. Bite the bullet on dead money from dead wood and drama queens 3. Have a good draft 4. Hope the fans are patient while the team undergoes an extensive rebuild Three out of four ain’t bad, eh MS? And in anticipation of your question on if they’re better off this year without Beckham on O and Vernon, Apple, Snacks and Collins on D I would say no. But for the next five to seven years I would say absolutely. And that’s when the franchise QB (that he rightfully fell in love with) will be ready to really strut his stuff.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 12:27:35 GMT -5
100% agree. I want the Giants to be a perennially good to great team. I'm am not looking for an instant gratification GM that is making decisions to win a few extra games in a go nowhere year to save his own butt. I see a team in rebuild mode with their QB of the future (Major part of a team) and a bunch of rookies developing. I just don't understand threads like this because the majority of the board knew that this was a rebuilding year and a year to get Jones some experience and crap ton of dead money. That certainly describes Getty's 1st year here.. Just saying.. He put lipstick on a pig the first year, it wasn't working and he broke the team apart. This is refreshing. He saw something wasn't working and he went in another direction. To everyone reading this thread, the Giants are currently less than 1 year into their rebuild. Gettleman broke the team down about half way into the 2018 season.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 12:30:12 GMT -5
He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. Gettleman also said that he told his people to stop answering calls about the #2 pick, which was just dumb. That was pretty dumb, won't argue with that one, lol
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 10, 2019 12:31:43 GMT -5
LOL, the "plain B" as you call it was a start .As a GM you can only do so much and as I have said in the past he doesn't owe the fans any explanation to what or why he is doing anything. Maybe you should take a look at the way your buddy Reese left the team first. Again the dead cap money is more a result of Reese that DG and other than Odell who was hurt most the time any way what weapons has DG taken away from DJ? I don’t know what to say about this comment. I’m not even a Reese fan but it comes to a point where have you All gone mad? Now we’re blaming former management for our current general managers decisions? So in other words Reese made Gettleman pay Beckham, trade him, trade Vernon, Snacks, Apple? Is it McAdoos fault for Shurmur having a 7-14 record so far with the Giants ? Well I don't Reese made Gettleman trade them but I'm certainly glad he did. Unless we're still pretending that they're good. I thought we could stop doing that once they're traded.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 12:37:14 GMT -5
You really need to chill out and remember what was written before. Trade the 2018 #2 pick for a few more high end picks and you have multiple opportunities to select a LT. Seems like the Colts nailed it that year and the Giants had a better slot to trade with and they didn't. Nobody ever said it was easy so why even say that? You do know that this is just a discussion on why some people aren't drinking the Getty cool-aid and think he's not doing a good enough job? BTW.. The Baker move also took a way a 4th and a 5th so there's two more decent picks that were traded for a player who really needs to improve year 2. He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. I was a 6 win person but that might not happen with this current team. I also wanted to move on from Eli and let Jones get all the experience he could since I knew this team wasn't going to compete for the playoffs. My hope was that next year they would be a contender but that seems unlikely also with all the holes that will need to be addressed. Rinse and repeat drafting in the top 10 is all I'm seeing so far and I hope that stops before they have to resign Jones..
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 10, 2019 12:38:43 GMT -5
The idea that all of these issues could have been addressed and resolved in his tenure here is laugh out loud funny. It left him with no weapons? There are some folks here that are so deluded that they actually believe the Giants weapons were recently among the best in the league. Now that is some funny if not completely agenda driven nonsense. And those same people still insist we are fine at WR and think recievers are a luxury,even staring into the possibility that Sheppard might have to call it a day and leave is with only Slayton and Tate next year...and state in an arrogantly way that the Gianys never won with good recievers and point to the prehistoric Suoer Bowk 25 win as their evidence I loved Beckham's game and would have liked to have kept him if that was possible. The other guys added virtually nothing to the team (not that Beckham did either but his talent is undeniable). Harrison? Vernon? Apple? Seriously? The idea that this team could be flipped over quickly after mismanaging the roster for years and years is simply not supportable. The roster needed to be built from the trenches out. That effort didn't start until 2018. Other well run teams did not forget or abandon that approach, the Giants did nearly ten years ago. We ain't getting back on track overnight.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 10, 2019 12:38:58 GMT -5
He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. Gettleman also said that he told his people to stop answering calls about the #2 pick, which was just dumb. You just got thru saying not to take DG on his word and I agree and now you’re taking him on his word?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 12:39:10 GMT -5
You really need to chill out and remember what was written before. Trade the 2018 #2 pick for a few more high end picks and you have multiple opportunities to select a LT. Seems like the Colts nailed it that year and the Giants had a better slot to trade with and they didn't. Nobody ever said it was easy so why even say that? You do know that this is just a discussion on why some people aren't drinking the Getty cool-aid and think he's not doing a good enough job? BTW.. The Baker move also took a way a 4th and a 5th so there's two more decent picks that were traded for a player who really needs to improve year 2. He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. Believing what Getty says is hard for me especially when there were 3 highly sought after QBs still on the board.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 10, 2019 12:45:47 GMT -5
LOL, the "plain B" as you call it was a start .As a GM you can only do so much and as I have said in the past he doesn't owe the fans any explanation to what or why he is doing anything. Maybe you should take a look at the way your buddy Reese left the team first. Again the dead cap money is more a result of Reese that DG and other than Odell who was hurt most the time any way what weapons has DG taken away from DJ? I get that Red but it started with a terrible miscalculation of what our team was. Clearly, given Dave's moves, he believed the 2018 Giants were a "win now" team. When halfway through he realized his mistake, he scrambled to dump players.....which continued into the off season. The result of "plan B" was a huge cap hit with players not on the team and no veteran depth.
AND we were stuck with Ogeltree, Solder and Eli's contract.....along with all the dead cap money.
So next year we will have half a team and a lot of cap room.....what is he going to do then? Bring it overpaid players like Solder and Ogeltree were?
Are we going to be back to square one then?
I agree that he thought he could get the team to average immediately. I think he correctly believed that a team doesn't need to be that good to be average in this league and I think that was his plan initially. Rebuild the team while creating the appearance of trying to win now. I think he knew full well the roster wasn't good enough to actually win anything now, but fans do seem to be happy with competitive mediocrity and I believe that he felt the Giants could deliver that. He was wrong, the team was much worse than he thought. He realized that quickly and immediately pivoted. I have no issue with it because I don't believe any meaningful time was actually lost. Sure he probably wasted some of John and Steve's money and probably placated John by agreeing to honor Manning's full contract owing to the Mara/Reese belief that they could continue to throw together teams and Manning would pull rabbits from hats. It worked twice and that was probably a bad thing as it created a false sense of competence and confidence and kept them from ever seeing the real issues with the roster.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 10, 2019 12:47:43 GMT -5
He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. Believing what Getty says is hard for me especially when there were 3 highly sought after QBs still on the board. Highly sought is in the eye of the beholder. Gettleman has made no secret of his disdain for the opinions of the football media
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Post by soflo on Oct 10, 2019 13:05:20 GMT -5
Yes we have injuries. But why on earth are we this bad when guys get hurt?
Let's look at it.
The Giants have NO veteran depth. We have essentially one veteran corner. We had two RB's entering the season. Our depth all over the field are guys who have never played NFL football.
Why has Dave put us here? We have over $40MM in dead cap money.....and THAT is on Dave. That doesn't include the $17MM we could have saved if we didn't pick up Eli's last year of his deal...which we didn't have to. He's the most expensive back up QB in the NFL.
He traded Odell which gave us a $16MM dead cap hit. That was shortly after he SIGNED Odell (not to trade him). The trading of Snacks, Vernon and Apple gave us a combined $14MM in dead cap money. he signed Omameh and then cut him which cost us another $3MM in 2019.
Now Dave gets a pass if we improve dramatically next season. All this dead cap money is off the books in 2020.
It looks like he hit on Daniel Jones and that's a huge check on his side of the ledger. But he has played Russian Roulette with our future by paying a bunch of guys a lot of money NOT to play for us. He banked on a long shot for the 2019 Giants....and seems to have lost. Another wasted season.
That is why we have NO depth. That is why when OUR guys get hurt, the team falls apart. We are fielding a glorified college team if we can't stay healthy...and what NFL team ever stays healthy?
So look straight to Dave Gettleman for the impending disaster in 2019. Let's hope his HUGE gamble pays off in following years.
40M in dead cap money because it's going to net us 80-100M in cap space next year. We may as well be carrying 40M in dead cap because it was never about this year to begin with. As for it being on Gettleman for not cutting Eli, well, as of right now Eli is the only backup QB because we just released Tanney. Maybe we should have retained Lauletta but that would mean we'd be one injury away from him being the starter. I imagine a lot of that cap space next year will be to add that veteran depth. A lot of the signings won't be sexy either, which is usually a sign that the GM is doing the right thing.
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Post by jmike on Oct 10, 2019 13:10:32 GMT -5
Not to spoil your rant, but we actually had 3 RBs and a FB who can also fill the role to enter the season. Barkley, Gallman, Perkins and Penny. Inactive then released. Not sure what good a player is if he's in street clothes.
??? That makes no sense. What you stated was simply untrue. They entered the season with 3 or 4 RBs on the roster depending on how you count Penny. That is a fact. Nothing wrong with criticizing, but don't make stuff up to criticize. There are players inactive every game. If you only plan on using 2 RBs in a particular game, you dress 2. Doesn't mean you don't have the others for depth on future games. Are you saying the Giants only went into the season with 2 QBs because they only dress two per game?
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 10, 2019 13:11:44 GMT -5
Those signing were designed to have the players play out their contracts.
All those free agents were in their primes. All 26 or younger. The dead money came when Dave decided to dump them.
So would you rather a player stay here under contract and not play well or dump them and move on ? No. I would rather a player stay and play out his deal so we don't have to get killed in dead cap money.
There was nothing wrong with Snacks. he was a good player for us. I get the Vernon trade because we got a better player in return, but Vernon is a good player. Not a star but a good player. Jenkins played well for a year and then he's been inconsistent, but he's the only vet we have back there. We had a few decent vet CB's last in 2017 and 2018, why did we let them all go? They aren't expensive.
I'm just so frustrated at our lack of depth. I see injuries and a HUGE drop off with the back ups. I look at our dead cap money and I look no further.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 10, 2019 13:13:57 GMT -5
Inactive then released. Not sure what good a player is if he's in street clothes.
??? That makes no sense. What you stated was simply untrue. They entered the season with 3 or 4 RBs on the roster depending on how you count Penny. That is a fact. Nothing wrong with criticizing, but don't make stuff up to criticize. There are players inactive every game. If you only plan on using 2 RBs in a particular game, you dress 2. Doesn't mean you don't have the others for depth on future games. Are you saying the Giants only went into the season with 2 QBs because they only dress two per game? You love to get buried in minutia. Have at it but do it alone. Perkins was not in our plans. We dumped him after two games of not dressing. Then we had 2. For all intents and purposes...we had two all season.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 10, 2019 13:18:58 GMT -5
I get that Red but it started with a terrible miscalculation of what our team was. Clearly, given Dave's moves, he believed the 2018 Giants were a "win now" team. When halfway through he realized his mistake, he scrambled to dump players.....which continued into the off season. The result of "plan B" was a huge cap hit with players not on the team and no veteran depth.
AND we were stuck with Ogeltree, Solder and Eli's contract.....along with all the dead cap money.
So next year we will have half a team and a lot of cap room.....what is he going to do then? Bring it overpaid players like Solder and Ogeltree were?
Are we going to be back to square one then?
I agree that he thought he could get the team to average immediately. I think he correctly believed that a team doesn't need to be that good to be average in this league and I think that was his plan initially. Rebuild the team while creating the appearance of trying to win now. I think he knew full well the roster wasn't good enough to actually win anything now, but fans do seem to be happy with competitive mediocrity and I believe that he felt the Giants could deliver that. He was wrong, the team was much worse than he thought. He realized that quickly and immediately pivoted. I have no issue with it because I don't believe any meaningful time was actually lost. Sure he probably wasted some of John and Steve's money and probably placated John by agreeing to honor Manning's full contract owing to the Mara/Reese belief that they could continue to throw together teams and Manning would pull rabbits from hats. It worked twice and that was probably a bad thing as it created a false sense of competence and confidence and kept them from ever seeing the real issues with the roster. Real nice post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 13:20:44 GMT -5
Believing what Getty says is hard for me especially when there were 3 highly sought after QBs still on the board. Highly sought is in the eye of the beholder. Gettleman has made no secret of his disdain for the opinions of the football media I don't see how Getty making up lies has anything to do with his disdain of the media.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 13:22:57 GMT -5
He took Barkley with that pick and he was the best player in that draft. Also, didn't Gettlemen himself say that he was getting offered a bag a donuts and a cup of coffee for that pick? The Jury is still far out on Baker. He has been playing a lot better and that TD that he gave up he was all over that WR. As I said several times, DG has made mistakes but his victories outweigh them at this point. I just think people got ahead of themselves when DJ outperformed on the field but a rookie QB isn't going to carry a team on his back and mask a teams warts for an entire season. This was a 5-6 win team before the season and it's a 5-6 win team right now. That's the win total the majority of the board was originally thinking. I was a 6 win person but that might not happen with this current team. I also wanted to move on from Eli and let Jones get all the experience he could since I knew this team wasn't going to compete for the playoffs. My hope was that next year they would be a contender but that seems unlikely also with all the holes that will need to be addressed. Rinse and repeat drafting in the top 10 is all I'm seeing so far and I hope that stops before they have to resign Jones.. Let's face it, this team has been decimated by injuries and even with that happening, there still a decent chance of getting your projected wins. In addition, you got your wish that the team moved on from Manning. To me, it seems that the Giants are at where you anticipated they would be with the added benefit of getting their new QB some valuable experience. No one (everyone in this thread) seems to NOT want to comment on my key earlier point. THE GIANTS ARE LESS THAN 1 FULL YEAR INTO THEIR REBUILD.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 10, 2019 13:24:41 GMT -5
Gettleman also said that he told his people to stop answering calls about the #2 pick, which was just dumb. You just got thru saying not to take DG on his word and I agree and now you’re taking him on his word? Sort of my point ... the post I was responding to noted that DG had said that he only got offered a bag of donuts for the pick...but then he said that he told his people to stop answering calls.
He is all over the map ... don't know if any of these things are true.
He would do himself a lot of favors if he talked less.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 13:26:24 GMT -5
No Gm is gonna get up to the podium and tell the fan base we are starting from scratch here we have a long rebuild and a lot of work to do here, and he definitely isn't throwing the QB under the bus what he tells ownership and Eli are 2 different things then what goes out for public consumption, Mara said it was gonna take time he knew and knew it because the GM told him, he owes it to his boss not to us, I think his biggest mistake was trying to salvage the guys that were traded but then again maybe he waited hoping to build up a market. Good point. After the way his second season ended, Apple probably had zero market until he got on the field last year.
Not sure about Snacks.
Apple would have been the best tradable option first contract, Snacks and JJ were tough sells big contract for a good tackle in Snacks and and average corner in Jenkens, getting anything for guys that take up bunch of cap but aren't impact players is tough they were lucky to get a5th for Snacks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 13:27:58 GMT -5
I was a 6 win person but that might not happen with this current team. I also wanted to move on from Eli and let Jones get all the experience he could since I knew this team wasn't going to compete for the playoffs. My hope was that next year they would be a contender but that seems unlikely also with all the holes that will need to be addressed. Rinse and repeat drafting in the top 10 is all I'm seeing so far and I hope that stops before they have to resign Jones.. Let's face it, this team has been decimated by injuries and even with that happening, there still a decent chance of getting your projected wins. In addition, you got your wish that the team moved on from Manning. To me, it seems that the Giants are at where you anticipated they would be with the added benefit of getting their new QB some valuable experience. No one (everyone in this thread) seems to NOT want to comment on my key earlier point. THE GIANTS ARE LESS THAN 1 FULL YEAR INTO THEIR REBUILD.I'm going to make that my signature.
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Post by jmike on Oct 10, 2019 13:28:19 GMT -5
??? That makes no sense. What you stated was simply untrue. They entered the season with 3 or 4 RBs on the roster depending on how you count Penny. That is a fact. Nothing wrong with criticizing, but don't make stuff up to criticize. There are players inactive every game. If you only plan on using 2 RBs in a particular game, you dress 2. Doesn't mean you don't have the others for depth on future games. Are you saying the Giants only went into the season with 2 QBs because they only dress two per game? You love to get buried in minutia. Have at it but do it alone. Perkins was not in our plans. We dumped him after two games of not dressing. Then we had 2. For all intents and purposes...we had two all season.
Again, not minutia. You can either be honest or not. Stating that we went into the season with two was a lie. Either deliberate or due to ignorance, I don't know which, but either way it simply is not true. You can't support an argument that any sensible person can take seriously if you don't even have knowledge about the subject. Sorry if you don't like it that factual information is important to me.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2019 13:31:58 GMT -5
LMFAO - This thread is most likely more entertaining than tonight's game...
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 10, 2019 13:33:20 GMT -5
So would you rather a player stay here under contract and not play well or dump them and move on ? No. I would rather a player stay and play out his deal so we don't have to get killed in dead cap money.
There was nothing wrong with Snacks. he was a good player for us. I get the Vernon trade because we got a better player in return, but Vernon is a good player. Not a star but a good player. Jenkins played well for a year and then he's been inconsistent, but he's the only vet we have back there. We had a few decent vet CB's last in 2017 and 2018, why did we let them all go? They aren't expensive.
I'm just so frustrated at our lack of depth. I see injuries and a HUGE drop off with the back ups. I look at our dead cap money and I look no further.
Snacks is over rated and over paid for what he does as Detroit is now seeing and talking about. He's not a bad player he's just not a real good one anymore although he seems to still believe he is. Vernon is like parsley; he adds nearly nothing to the meal.
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