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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 22:41:27 GMT -5
Pat Shurmur is a loser through and through. He’s a plague on the franchise. Watch the he takes in this defeat in the postgame. I have my barf bag ready. That’s interesting because I like what he says in the pressers. Basically he says we fought hard, but didn’t take advantage of the opportunities, and we made too many negative plays and not enough positive ones. Which is mind numbing lily obvious, but what do you expect him to say “we just don’t have the talent or the playmakers to win games. He has what he has, and he has to praise the good effort, and correct the mistakes. That’s all he can do!!!! The team is not there yet. No coach is going to coach this group to beat the Pats. Just have to keep plugging. Don't feed the troll
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Post by allnygin on Oct 10, 2019 22:41:50 GMT -5
There are positives out of this, the defense played really well. Maybe they're starting to get it which is great becuase its a young unit. DJ and the offense were bad, we kind of expected that. They'll look better with their skill players back on the field. Shurmur has to be better. Big positive for me was Baker looks like a first rounder he is getting better every weak, Golden I will take 6 days a week and twice on sunday, better then anything we have had for the last 2-3 years, Carter was in the backfield tonight a lot saw Lawrence pushing the pocket more hen a few times they are growing every game, Hill seems to be in the backfield he needs to keep his eyes up. For sure this was a very good performance by a lot of young players on defense. It looks like they're learning to play at this level, and golden is killing it.
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Post by weekendwarrior on Oct 10, 2019 22:41:58 GMT -5
They have a lot of positives. Since the NFL is the wwe and the 16-0 story is better than a giants win, they will favor the Pat's. Look at last year they wanted the rams to be on the bug stage, so they threw a game for them. When the giants get good they will have the refs on their side again, hopefully next year the giants have never had the refs on their side They are a team in ny with lots of ratings. When they are good again the refs will start helping them again. The NFL is the wwe they try to build ratings, if the giants were near viable they would help them with calls. We must need to get to that point. It's all rigged and the giants give re in a good market to take advantage when they are good. Look forward to that
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 22:42:31 GMT -5
Man some of you guys are just ready to burn the house down. Troy Aikman just got through saying he felt good about Daniel Jones coming in and he feels even better about him after tonight. He sees what they're building as good and thinks their future is bright. Shhhhh Don't spoil the party for the usual negatards that live for the team to loss to spew their garbage
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Post by allnygin on Oct 10, 2019 22:42:33 GMT -5
I will say this. I do not think the pats are as good as everyone is saying.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 22:42:44 GMT -5
It's a serious question, but the point spread was 17... 7 point game turned into 21 real quick on some questionable calls late. It's a legit question there were more then a few questionable calls and non calls, DJ had a rough game but he put the ball in places only the receivers could get it and theY defended the man not the ball with 0 calls, that in it's selfish BS.
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Post by soflo on Oct 10, 2019 22:44:43 GMT -5
I will say this. I do not think the pats are as good as everyone is saying. Their defense is. This could be one of those year's where it carries the team. And in all fairness I think they are dealing with some injuries on offense.
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 10, 2019 22:44:46 GMT -5
I get it. Too be fair, Jones had no help tonight from his “offensive weapons.” That said, he still had a bad game. He has to get the ball out of his hand quicker. That’s what he did in his first game. That comes with experience
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 10, 2019 22:48:40 GMT -5
I don't know, I saw a whole lot of fight out of most of the roster tonite. Baker and Mayo are improving for starters. Ogletree had a good game. Lorenzo Carter is becoming dangerous. As for DJ, I saw some positives in the center of the tornado. That D has made ALL the QBs it has faced looked silly this year, and BB has made a career of preying on the rookie QBs. I saw progress with DJ and he still is lethally accurate when he has even a smidgen of time. All of this is building blocks.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 10, 2019 22:49:00 GMT -5
I will say this. I do not think the pats are as good as everyone is saying. Their defense is. This could be one of those year's where it carries the team. And in all fairness I think they are dealing with some injuries on offense. Yeah gotta give their D some props.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 22:49:16 GMT -5
Big positive for me was Baker looks like a first rounder he is getting better every weak, Golden I will take 6 days a week and twice on sunday, better then anything we have had for the last 2-3 years, Carter was in the backfield tonight a lot saw Lawrence pushing the pocket more hen a few times they are growing every game, Hill seems to be in the backfield he needs to keep his eyes up. For sure this was a very good performance by a lot of young players on defense. It looks like they're learning to play at this level, and golden is killing it. Even the kid put some balls in some tight spots the defense was on the WR but not in position to make play they should of been called a few more time for PI, Oh thats right they didn't get any PI calls.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 10, 2019 22:53:10 GMT -5
For sure this was a very good performance by a lot of young players on defense. It looks like they're learning to play at this level, and golden is killing it. Even the kid put some balls in some tight spots the defense was on the WR but not in position to make play they should of been called a few more time for PI, Oh thats right they didn't get any PI calls. Yeah he did have some really impressive throws into tight coverage. He'll be okay, just wasn't his game tonight and it was never gonna be easy. He's had two tough weeks back to back, he's a smart kid I think he'll grow from this experience. Should make him only better in the long run.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 22:55:53 GMT -5
That’s interesting because I like what he says in the pressers. Basically he says we fought hard, but didn’t take advantage of the opportunities, and we made too many negative plays and not enough positive ones. Which is mind numbing lily obvious, but what do you expect him to say “we just don’t have the talent or the playmakers to win games. He has what he has, and he has to praise the good effort, and correct the mistakes. That’s all he can do!!!! The team is not there yet. No coach is going to coach this group to beat the Pats. Just have to keep plugging. Don't feed the troll People can get angry with PS but this team plays hard for him and as they ad talent they will come in see big effort and follow suit, when they do come back to the pack they will play with no mercy because they were given none.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 22:59:14 GMT -5
Even the kid put some balls in some tight spots the defense was on the WR but not in position to make play they should of been called a few more time for PI, Oh thats right they didn't get any PI calls. Yeah he did have some really impressive throws into tight coverage. He'll be okay, just wasn't his game tonight and it was never gonna be easy. He's had two tough weeks back to back, he's a smart kid I think he'll grow from this experience. Should make him only better in the long run. Yup hopefully we get Barkely healthy and Engram for the Cards game I'm heading North for that one, think tonight could have been a big game for SQB Hillman and Penny were getting yards SQB could have blown some of those runs up.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 22:59:20 GMT -5
Ignoring the negative signal to noise ratio from the usual low information trolls
You have to look at this game from an individual perspective and with Jones on a play by play basis,we had zero chance and the score is what I thought it would be. Except how it got that was to me was encouraging. It was 21-14 with 9 minutes to go in the game. The Patriots only scored on 2 long drives,we cut them down on 4th down twice. This defense is starting to gell. Baker is starting to resemble a good starting corner. Lawrence is a beast developing in front of our eyes.The D line was a major factor in this game,as it was pushing the Pat's line back all game (when it was competitive)and more importantly allowing the linebackers to make plays Mayo is just a jag and he was overachieving bigtime,even Ogletree was able to make plays Carter had a breakout game finally,hopefully he builds on this I'd resign Golden right now.
Offense was tough to watch because we were so undermanned. But to me the line actually was able to run block quite well,I don't think I saw any TFLs...seemed to get 3 to 4 yards a pop,and you have to think if Barkley was playing he would have busted a few of those runs Hilliman got for huge gains. Slayton is developing into a legit threat in front of our eyes.Seemed Bellicheck started to scheme to take him away after the 1st quarter because you didnt hear from him till the late 3rd.
Jones. Sadly I was expecting a poor day stat wise,,but you need to take his game on a play by play basis. Threw some unbelievable passes to tightly covered recievers(even that last incompletion was perfectly thrown,just a better play by Gilmore) Made some dumbass throws,also ran into pressure needlessly,probably because none of his reads were open. He has a rare skillset with how insanely accurate he is,once everything else comes to him,I think he will be fine. He won't see a defense this good till the Bears game so he had time to develop.
10 days to regroup,self scout,get healthy and make some adjustments.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 23:01:23 GMT -5
I will say this. I do not think the pats are as good as everyone is saying. Their defense is. This could be one of those year's where it carries the team. And in all fairness I think they are dealing with some injuries on offense. And that is where this team is dangerous Watch them make a deal with Cleveland for Odell
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Post by allnygin on Oct 10, 2019 23:01:27 GMT -5
Yeah he did have some really impressive throws into tight coverage. He'll be okay, just wasn't his game tonight and it was never gonna be easy. He's had two tough weeks back to back, he's a smart kid I think he'll grow from this experience. Should make him only better in the long run. Yup hopefully we get Barkely healthy and Engram for the Cards game I'm heading North for that one, think tonight could have been a big game for SQB Hillman and Penny were getting yards SQB could have blown some of those runs up. If Saquan is healthy tonight, Giants win. Enjoy the game, that should be one this team wins!
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 23:02:34 GMT -5
And one more thing One qb has trouble with the wind,and except for one pass early it wasnt Jones. Hmmmmm. So much for lack of arm strength
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 23:04:49 GMT -5
Yup hopefully we get Barkely healthy and Engram for the Cards game I'm heading North for that one, think tonight could have been a big game for SQB Hillman and Penny were getting yards SQB could have blown some of those runs up. If Saquan is healthy tonight, Giants win. Enjoy the game, that should be one this team wins! I was thinking the same thing about SQB if he was available it opens things up same with engram they weren't worried about Elisson hurting them, thanks gonna enjoy that game and might take the trip up for Dallas to can't stomach those roaches in my seats lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 23:09:31 GMT -5
And one more thing One qb has trouble with the wind,and except for one pass early it wasnt Jones. Hmmmmm. So much for lack of arm strength Agree 100% he did put the ball in tight spots.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 23:11:35 GMT -5
And one more thing One qb has trouble with the wind,and except for one pass early it wasnt Jones. Hmmmmm. So much for lack of arm strength they need an X factor receiver a guy when the ball is in the are it is his.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 23:14:31 GMT -5
And one more thing One qb has trouble with the wind,and except for one pass early it wasnt Jones. Hmmmmm. So much for lack of arm strength they need an X factor receiver a guy when the ball is in the are it is his. Today proved it Slayton could eventually grow into one but he is a work in progress as well,he needs a immediate one
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Post by magilla on Oct 10, 2019 23:14:50 GMT -5
Their defense is. This could be one of those year's where it carries the team. And in all fairness I think they are dealing with some injuries on offense. And that is where this team is dangerous Watch them make a deal with Cleveland for Odell We should be so lucky to be able to trade to get one of The Best FootBall Players On This Planet Back To NY Giants.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 23:16:25 GMT -5
Ignoring the negative signal to noise ratio from the usual low information trolls You have to look at this game from an individual perspective and with Jones on a play by play basis,we had zero chance and the score is what I thought it would be. Except how it got that was to me was encouraging. It was 21-14 with 9 minutes to go in the game. The Patriots only scored on 2 long drives,we cut them down on 4th down twice. This defense is starting to gell. Baker is starting to resemble a good starting corner. Lawrence is a beast developing in front of our eyes.The D line was a major factor in this game,as it was pushing the Pat's line back all game (when it was competitive)and more importantly allowing the linebackers to make plays Mayo is just a jag and he was overachieving bigtime,even Ogletree was able to make plays Carter had a breakout game finally,hopefully he builds on this I'd resign Golden right now. Offense was tough to watch because we were so undermanned. But to me the line actually was able to run block quite well,I don't think I saw any TFLs...seemed to get 3 to 4 yards a pop,and you have to think if Barkley was playing he would have busted a few of those runs Hilliman got for huge gains. Slayton is developing into a legit threat in front of our eyes.Seemed Bellicheck started to scheme to take him away after the 1st quarter because you didnt hear from him till the late 3rd. Jones. Sadly I was expecting a poor day stat wise,,but you need to take his game on a play by play basis. Threw some unbelievable passes to tightly covered recievers(even that last incompletion was perfectly thrown,just a better play by Gilmore) Made some dumbass throws,also ran into pressure needlessly,probably because none of his reads were open. He has a rare skillset with how insanely accurate he is,once everything else comes to him,I think he will be fine. He won't see a defense this good till the Bears game so he had time to develop. 10 days to regroup,self scout,get healthy and make some adjustments. Well said I think this is part of maturation process he will learn not to hold it and play with timing more consistently.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2019 23:17:39 GMT -5
And that is where this team is dangerous Watch them make a deal with Cleveland for Odell We should be so lucky to be able to trade to get one of The Best FootBall Players On This Planet Back To NY Giants. Heh For Tate and a 3rd After which Gettleman would have in effect bamboozled Dorsey for Zeitler,Peppers,Lawremce,X man and Beckham Alas I'd rather draft a good one next year on a rookie deal
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2019 23:19:19 GMT -5
they need an X factor receiver a guy when the ball is in the are it is his. Today proved it Slayton could eventually grow into one but he is a work in progress as well,he needs a immediate one there are some coming up in this draft Slayton / with another speedster along with Shep and Tae working underneath and EE attacking the seems this could get scary.
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Post by magilla on Oct 10, 2019 23:22:20 GMT -5
We should be so lucky to be able to trade to get one of The Best FootBall Players On This Planet Back To NY Giants. Heh For Tate and a 3rd After which Gettleman would have in effect bamboozled Dorsey for Zeitler,Peppers,Lawremce,X man and Beckham Alas I'd rather draft a good one next year on a rookie deal Ok. One of The Best football players in NFL is what we gave up. I tried to justify it as well but what a dumb move by a dumb GM.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 11, 2019 6:06:25 GMT -5
Even though we got hit with the beat stick pretty hard last night, I'm pretty uplifted. The defense put out their best performance so far this year, but a long shot, and who really expected our depleted offense to do much of anything against the Pats? I think if we had Barkley and Engram this game goes quite differently.
If our defense is starting to come around, we should see some good games ahead. I agree with Aikman, our future does look bright.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Oct 13, 2019 7:53:27 GMT -5
Yeah..you know Officials love to favor these teams.... 1. Patriots 2. Steelers 3.Cowboys Cowboys are first because they have the party bus. Blandino who was the chief of officials got caught coming out of it smiling. Yeah those Cowboy cheerleaders probably tried to ply their "influence" on him with the key word being "IN". LOL!
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