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Post by jmike on Oct 11, 2019 8:59:49 GMT -5
What Are Your Thoughts On Daniel Jones’s Performance vs Patriots Tonight? Played well on most plays, but made some really bad mistakes as well. Got hosed on a couple of others. Overall, what is to expected from a rookie QB on an undermanned offense against one of the best teams in the league. Not thrilled with his performance, but neither upset nor surprised by it. One thing I'd like to see worked on is his accuracy on longer throws. He isn't bad, just wildly inconsistent.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 9:01:56 GMT -5
But you are not shocked that a rookie looks inconsistent, are you? Not at all, especially vs the Pats defense, but Im just concerned about some of his decisions. Not to mention this is 4 games out of 4 he has had multiple turnovers. I actually told my brother I hope he keeps it under 3 picks last night. Right now, I am pretty sure his choices are either "questionable decision" or "throwing it away" on too many plays. And again, I stipulate that he has made some wrong/bad decisions as well. How would you describe the picks from last night?
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 11, 2019 9:08:22 GMT -5
I think this year, just keep getting reps and learn the timing. One of the INTs was due to his arm getting hit. He's made some good completions in his other games with some close calls too. Hope he learns to recognize how things develop quickly so he releases earlier and not try to do too much. I expect things to be much better next year but this year while I don't like what I see, I take everything as a learning experience. I just wish I saw more flashes of "wow" plays. Haven't seen too many outside of his first two games but again, he didn't have much to work with.
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 11, 2019 9:12:20 GMT -5
Oh, and please learn to slide. We don't want to have to tank for Tua.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2019 9:13:17 GMT -5
I think this year, just keep getting reps and learn the timing. One of the INTs was due to his arm getting hit. He's made some good completions in his other games with some close calls too. Hope he learns to recognize how things develop quickly so he releases earlier and not try to do too much. I expect things to be much better next year but this year while I don't like what I see, I take everything as a learning experience. I just wish I saw more flashes of "wow" plays. Haven't seen too many outside of his first two games but again, he didn't have much to work with. To me the "wow"plays come from throwing open recievers with no separation and where only our guy can get it and doing it consistently.While not obvious they are contributing to me thinking more and more he indeed could be special
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 11, 2019 9:14:30 GMT -5
Not at all, especially vs the Pats defense, but Im just concerned about some of his decisions. Not to mention this is 4 games out of 4 he has had multiple turnovers. I actually told my brother I hope he keeps it under 3 picks last night. Right now, I am pretty sure his choices are either "questionable decision" or "throwing it away" on too many plays. And again, I stipulate that he has made some wrong/bad decisions as well. How would you describe the picks from last night? I rewatched each one, described in another thread. But basically, the first one was more on Tate, IMO. The second one was WTF was he thinking/throwing it to? The third was slightly throw behind the WR and he had better options underneath. 2 were obviously his fault, and one was WTF?
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Post by BlueReign on Oct 11, 2019 9:21:21 GMT -5
I can't rag on Jones too much after this one because it was never going to be pretty for him. To recap: - He's a rookie prepping on a short week against the #1 defense in the NFL
- He's going head to head with the greatest coach in the history of the league (who has a history of forcing high quality, veteran QBs into mistakes)
- He was without his top-two receiving targets
- He was without his top-two running backs
The deck was stacked against him for this one and the mistakes he made are correctable. He's got the arm talent necessary to win in this league (see: Tate TD) he's got poise in the pocket, he's mobile and he's intelligent. He made some poor reads and made some poor decisions. He's not the worst QB to be tricked by Belichick's schemes nor is he the first (or last) QB to be picked by Gilmore. It happens. Jones has the attributes that can't be taught. He needs to work on his decision making and ability to hang onto the ball. These are correctable errors that are common amongst rookie playcallers (specifically bad reads) and generally improve with experience.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 9:24:56 GMT -5
I actually told my brother I hope he keeps it under 3 picks last night. Right now, I am pretty sure his choices are either "questionable decision" or "throwing it away" on too many plays. And again, I stipulate that he has made some wrong/bad decisions as well. How would you describe the picks from last night? I rewatched each one, described in another thread. But basically, the first one was more on Tate, IMO. The second one was WTF was he thinking/throwing it to? The third was slightly throw behind the WR and he had better options underneath. 2 were obviously his fault, and one was WTF? I saw a late throw A fooled rookie A bad decision
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 11, 2019 9:26:05 GMT -5
Not at all, especially vs the Pats defense, but Im just concerned about some of his decisions. Not to mention this is 4 games out of 4 he has had multiple turnovers. I actually told my brother I hope he keeps it under 3 picks last night. Right now, I am pretty sure his choices are either "questionable decision" or "throwing it away" on too many plays. And again, I stipulate that he has made some wrong/bad decisions as well. How would you describe the picks from last night? Just going off my memory, I haven't re watched it at all, I think his last INT was just a poor decision in where to go with the ball. Gilmore on Ellison? Thats a never in my book. Glimore had great position. One he held the ball too long, and his arm got hit as he threw (again)... And I honestly cant remember what the 3rd one was. I know he is a rookie, but these are things that arent even good for rookies IMO. Way too many turnovers. Everyone says he reminds them of Eli, and this is just becoming another example unfortunately, that he will need to shake off.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 11, 2019 9:26:39 GMT -5
I rewatched each one, described in another thread. But basically, the first one was more on Tate, IMO. The second one was WTF was he thinking/throwing it to? The third was slightly throw behind the WR and he had better options underneath. 2 were obviously his fault, and one was WTF? I saw a late throw A fooled rookie A bad decision his arm was hit on the one pick.
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 11, 2019 9:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 11, 2019 9:27:20 GMT -5
I actually told my brother I hope he keeps it under 3 picks last night. Right now, I am pretty sure his choices are either "questionable decision" or "throwing it away" on too many plays. And again, I stipulate that he has made some wrong/bad decisions as well. How would you describe the picks from last night? Just going off my memory, I haven't re watched it at all, I think his last INT was just a poor decision in where to go with the ball. Gilmore on Ellison? Thats a never in my book. Glimore had great position. One he held the ball too long, and his arm got hit as he threw (again)... And I honestly cant remember what the 3rd one was. He's holding the ball too long. To me, that is his major problem. I'm sure he'll learn.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 9:28:27 GMT -5
I saw a late throw A fooled rookie A bad decision his arm was hit on the one pick. That would be the bad decision...he held that ball way, way too long, given what was happening around him.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 11, 2019 9:29:31 GMT -5
Just going off my memory, I haven't re watched it at all, I think his last INT was just a poor decision in where to go with the ball. Gilmore on Ellison? Thats a never in my book. Glimore had great position. One he held the ball too long, and his arm got hit as he threw (again)... And I honestly cant remember what the 3rd one was. He's holding the ball too long. To me, that is his major problem. I'm sure he'll learn. Definitely a big problem. And the major cause of his turnover issues.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 11, 2019 9:31:57 GMT -5
Thats right, the one I forgot was the bad throw to Tate over the middle that was popped up in the air. That one was 100% on DJ. He tried to fit it in the window and it was high and behind Tate.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 11, 2019 9:32:01 GMT -5
it kind of reminded me of David vs Goliath, we knew who was going to win and it makes me wonder why the league schedules one of the worst teams in the league with a rookie QB against the best team in the league, I know you're supposed to play the next team up on your schedule but this game was nasty..
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 11, 2019 9:32:13 GMT -5
He's holding the ball too long. To me, that is his major problem. I'm sure he'll learn. Definitely a big problem. And the major cause of his turnover issues. Absolutely. The second pick was definitely a direct cause of that.
This is where coaching matters. I suspect he'll have a very good game next week though.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 11, 2019 9:33:58 GMT -5
Horrible conditions for passing last night, was very windy up here all night. Played the #1 with the best D coach ever perhaps. Had none of his weapons. With all that said he made some absolutely terrific throws. I mean just perfectly placed balls. Some other throws were a bit poor I think due to wind mostly. He for sure got confused on a few reads, that INT towards Ellison a good example. Overall he threw a TD pass against the Pats D and no one else has done that this year. Seems he was dealing with the wind better than Brady I keep saying Brady is about done. He's obviously good still, but not close to what he was. The NE fans I work with talk about it all the time, the radio shows up here talk about it. They know the time is coming.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 9:34:25 GMT -5
Thats right, the one I forgot was the bad throw to Tate over the middle that was popped up in the air. That one was 100% on DJ. He tried to fit it in the window and it was high and behind Tate. I actually think he read that wrong. They showed blitz and backed out - I don't think he caught that and threw into a crowd.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 11, 2019 9:35:47 GMT -5
But you are not shocked that a rookie looks inconsistent, are you? Not at all, especially vs the Pats defense, but Im just concerned about some of his decisions. Not to mention this is 4 games out of 4 he has had multiple turnovers. You cant use the rookie card on that. I'm not really concerned with his decisions. He was facing a coach that confuses the best QBs in the league. Add in no run game to keep the pass rushers at bay and his brain must have hurt after that game. Tough spot for the young man.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 9:35:51 GMT -5
Definitely a big problem. And the major cause of his turnover issues. Absolutely. The second pick was definitely a direct cause of that.
This is where coaching matters. I suspect he'll have a very good game next week though.
So these are the game experiences he needs...can't play the Skins every week and learn anything. Got to get beat up, fooled and beat.
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 11, 2019 9:36:14 GMT -5
He's holding the ball too long. To me, that is his major problem. I'm sure he'll learn. Definitely a big problem. And the major cause of his turnover issues. It didn't seem Jones saw Gilmore. But, Jones has been staying in the pocket,too long. He is not using his legs or mobility. Most of his throws are off his back foot. He also not changing his cadence at LOS. He may be listening to Eli too much. His first game he was mobile which defenses, had to respect. Just my opinion.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2019 9:36:31 GMT -5
Thats right, the one I forgot was the bad throw to Tate over the middle that was popped up in the air. That one was 100% on DJ. He tried to fit it in the window and it was high and behind Tate. I actually think he read that wrong. They showed blitz and backed out - I don't think he caught that and threw into a crowd. Not to mention it was an impossible throw to begin with because Ellison was in front of him(2 recievers in the same area is also a no no because that means more defenders(
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 11, 2019 9:37:13 GMT -5
Thats right, the one I forgot was the bad throw to Tate over the middle that was popped up in the air. That one was 100% on DJ. He tried to fit it in the window and it was high and behind Tate. I actually think he read that wrong. They showed blitz and backed out - I don't think he caught that and threw into a crowd. That was also a strange play that put Ellison directly in line with his pass lane. I noticed it when he threw it and the announcers mentioned it too. Very odd to see a TE in the direct path where the QB should go with the ball.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 11, 2019 9:40:23 GMT -5
I saw a late throw A fooled rookie A bad decision his arm was hit on the one pick. If it was it was the first one. Couldn't see it on the gamepass replay though.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 9:42:29 GMT -5
Unsure what Ellison was doing on that play, but if that was a hot route, I'll eat my bucket.
It's hard to tell if he was wrong.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2019 9:42:47 GMT -5
I actually told my brother I hope he keeps it under 3 picks last night. Right now, I am pretty sure his choices are either "questionable decision" or "throwing it away" on too many plays. And again, I stipulate that he has made some wrong/bad decisions as well. How would you describe the picks from last night? I rewatched each one, described in another thread. But basically, the first one was more on Tate, IMO. The second one was WTF was he thinking/throwing it to? The third was slightly throw behind the WR and he had better options underneath. 2 were obviously his fault, and one was WTF? He had 17(Core?) open on a shallow cross
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 11, 2019 9:47:56 GMT -5
Some call it growing pains, some call it taking a QB who struggled at Duke way too early in the draft and it is showing... Only time will tell. I have a hard time listening to the media/sports programs after tough losses, but Im sure they are all starting to gravitate back to the latter after another rough performance. Guys like Stephan Ahole and Todd McShay are probably loving it
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2019 10:10:44 GMT -5
Some call it growing pains, some call it taking a QB who struggled at Duke way too early in the draft and it is showing... Only time will tell. I have a hard time listening to the media/sports programs after tough losses, but Im sure they are all starting to gravitate back to the latter after another rough performance. Guys like Stephan Ahole and Todd McShay are probably loving it What do they call it when Baker Mayfield struggles?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 11, 2019 10:16:46 GMT -5
Some call it growing pains, some call it taking a QB who struggled at Duke way too early in the draft and it is showing... Only time will tell. I have a hard time listening to the media/sports programs after tough losses, but Im sure they are all starting to gravitate back to the latter after another rough performance. Guys like Stephan Ahole and Todd McShay are probably loving it What do they call it when Baker Mayfield struggles? Overrated as hell?
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