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Post by TCHOF on Oct 12, 2019 6:48:13 GMT -5
He is keeping people accountable though. You see a couple times a game that he goes over and gets on people in the secondary that have screwed up, you also see him go over and praise when they make good plays. Happened against the pats when Baker didn’t contain and Michel went for 10+ yards down the sideline. Later in the game it was the same situation but Baker got in great position and made a perfect tackle. Bethea’s value to the team has nothing to do with his play this year, he is the secondary coach on the field. When everyone else back there is playing their best football we will find a new FS. I get that he is a coach on the field.....and that is great to a degree Coach on the field, but he has been terrible as a player. Terrible
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Post by giants8493 on Oct 12, 2019 9:55:44 GMT -5
"...even though I think he dipped his uniform in something slippery..." That wasnt needed if its classy. Sounds like a half hearted attempt at an excuse. There is no way that peppers actually thinks that he dipped his jersey in something slippery right before that play.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2019 11:05:07 GMT -5
"...even though I think he dipped his uniform in something slippery..." That wasnt needed if its classy. Sounds like a half hearted attempt at an excuse. There is no way that peppers actually thinks that he dipped his jersey in something slippery right before that play. Oh I know...
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 12, 2019 15:35:40 GMT -5
Yay, he owned up to a missed tackle that turned into 7 pts. Ya'll gonna keep forgiving him every week that he "owns" up to another missed tackle that costs the team points & possibly the game? When's this team gonna start making plays & stop "owning " up to mistakes/blunders week in/out? As for the "slippery uniform" comment...hey, it's NE, ya never know.
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Post by leonperry on Oct 12, 2019 17:18:04 GMT -5
I get that he is a coach on the field.....and that is great to a degree Coach on the field, but he has been terrible as a player. Terrible hey, his next career move should be both a short commute & a very short time away from his present one... give him a whistle and baseball cap during practice and keep him on the sidelines during gametime. Besides whoever replaced the secondary coach who went to Cincy for the DC job doesn't seem like any great shakes, he might be an asset there. Start getting Love or whomever a shot.
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 12, 2019 18:23:51 GMT -5
Love this kid. This entire secondary is coming together. Well for the most part. Still need that third CB (where the F is Ballentine?). Jenkins is playing awesome, Baker has pretty much been lights out since week 2, Peppers is flying around looking great and even Bethea is doing his thing. I disagree about Bethea.......more times than not he is late to the party with defending passing plays. Great guy and all that but he doesnt have NFL speed anymore. I agree 100%. Bethea, has limited lateral movement. Plays a deep safety. He always arm tackling. Peppers. I think with his athlethisim and speed will make a better free safety. At ,SS Peppers gives up too much size to TE's. Put, Chandler or Thomas at Strong safety. Or, bring up Carlock and play him at SS.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 12, 2019 23:17:24 GMT -5
I disagree about Bethea.......more times than not he is late to the party with defending passing plays. Great guy and all that but he doesnt have NFL speed anymore. I agree 100%. Bethea, has limited lateral movement. Plays a deep safety. He always arm tackling. Peppers. I think with his athlethisim and speed will make a better free safety. At ,SS Peppers gives up too much size to TE's. Put, Chandler or Thomas at Strong safety. Or, bring up Carlock and play him at SS. Peppers did some FS in Cleveland as a rookie and it didnt work out. Back at SS he started playing better. He is at his best at SS.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 13, 2019 0:54:25 GMT -5
Love this kid. This entire secondary is coming together. Well for the most part. Still need that third CB (where the F is Ballentine?). Jenkins is playing awesome, Baker has pretty much been lights out since week 2, Peppers is flying around looking great and even Bethea is doing his thing. I disagree about Bethea.......more times than not he is late to the party with defending passing plays. Great guy and all that but he doesnt have NFL speed anymore. I agree; he reacts too slowly. I was specifically watching him for a while on Thursday and he either has bad instincts or he's slow.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2019 7:02:07 GMT -5
Love this kid. This entire secondary is coming together. Well for the most part. Still need that third CB (where the F is Ballentine?). Jenkins is playing awesome, Baker has pretty much been lights out since week 2, Peppers is flying around looking great and even Bethea is doing his thing. I disagree about Bethea.......more times than not he is late to the party with defending passing plays. Great guy and all that but he doesnt have NFL speed anymore. "His thing" is making tackles and being a leader, not providing top tier coverage.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 13, 2019 15:33:21 GMT -5
I disagree about Bethea.......more times than not he is late to the party with defending passing plays. Great guy and all that but he doesnt have NFL speed anymore. "His thing" is making tackles and being a leader, not providing top tier coverage. yeah....his thing.....he's late to the party even on tackling... Great team mate for sure
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 15, 2019 5:40:36 GMT -5
"His thing" is making tackles and being a leader, not providing top tier coverage. yeah....his thing.....he's late to the party even on tackling... Great team mate for sure Late to the party? He is leading the team in SOLO tackles. Being "late" doesn't matter if he is still the first one there lol. Why do you say he is late (other than the obvious you have no way to criticize his tackling so you make this up)? Is it because he leads the team in assist tackles too? Ryan Connely lead in that category before is injury, anything think he was late to the part?
There is plenty to criticize Bethea about, his tackling is not one of them. Especially on a team that struggle with making tackles. Our LBs were trash at certain points this year although Mayo/OTree are doing very good in that category. Amazing how our D looks different with LBs that can tackle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 7:20:21 GMT -5
"His thing" is making tackles and being a leader, not providing top tier coverage. yeah....his thing.....he's late to the party even on tackling... Great team mate for sure I wish he was better in coverage since that's what his position calls for! Add in his slowness and that Ogltree and Stupar can't tackle well is a recipe for these long drives we see every week. At some point Ballentine or Love needs to get in for Chandler and maybe Bethea..
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Post by GameTime on Oct 15, 2019 8:35:02 GMT -5
yeah....his thing.....he's late to the party even on tackling... Great team mate for sure I wish he was better in coverage since that's what his position calls for! Add in his slowness and that Ogltree and Stupar can't tackle well is a recipe for these long drives we see every week. At some point Ballentine or Love needs to get in for Chandler and maybe Bethea.. AO has missed a couple of tackles but he has been playing good overall
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Post by magilla on Oct 15, 2019 8:41:27 GMT -5
Not often does an athlete own up to a mistake out in the open. Their ego won’t allow them to do so. I take it you’ve never been an athlete.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 8:55:07 GMT -5
I wish he was better in coverage since that's what his position calls for! Add in his slowness and that Ogltree and Stupar can't tackle well is a recipe for these long drives we see every week. At some point Ballentine or Love needs to get in for Chandler and maybe Bethea.. AO has missed a couple of tackles but he has been playing good overall We certainly have a different opinion of what playing good means for an ILBer. Last game was better so lets see if there is some progression from there..
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 15, 2019 8:55:56 GMT -5
Not often does an athlete own up to a mistake out in the open. Their ego won’t allow them to do so. I take it you’ve never been an athlete. Yes I have. How often do you see an athlete own up to a mistake to social media like Peppers did? The NFL lingo usually is “I have to make that play.” Or “I have to play better.” Not often does a player say yeah I missed that play. These guys have massive egos, it’s not often this happens.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 15, 2019 10:39:34 GMT -5
yeah....his thing.....he's late to the party even on tackling... Great team mate for sure Late to the party? He is leading the team in SOLO tackles. Being "late" doesn't matter if he is still the first one there lol. Why do you say he is late (other than the obvious you have no way to criticize his tackling so you make this up)? Is it because he leads the team in assist tackles too? Ryan Connely lead in that category before is injury, anything think he was late to the part?
There is plenty to criticize Bethea about, his tackling is not one of them. Especially on a team that struggle with making tackles. Our LBs were trash at certain points this year although Mayo/OTree are doing very good in that category. Amazing how our D looks different with LBs that can tackle.
Easy Mike....I am not bashing Bethea.... If your SS is leading the team in tackles its usually not a good thing overall. Bethea is slow and this will effect all parts of his game in different degrees. If he is the best they have to play SS then he needs to be out there. I am not making anything up.
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 15, 2019 11:01:24 GMT -5
I agree 100%. Bethea, has limited lateral movement. Plays a deep safety. He always arm tackling. Peppers. I think with his athlethisim and speed will make a better free safety. At ,SS Peppers gives up too much size to TE's. Put, Chandler or Thomas at Strong safety. Or, bring up Carlock and play him at SS. Peppers did some FS in Cleveland as a rookie and it didnt work out. Back at SS he started playing better. He is at his best at SS. I read somewhere that Peppers had played at LBer in the past. Not seeing how that could be, size-wise - but it would indicate SS is his most suitable position.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 15, 2019 11:09:29 GMT -5
Yes I have. How often do you see an athlete own up to a mistake to social media like Peppers did? The NFL lingo usually is “I have to make that play.” Or “I have to play better.” Not often does a player say yeah I missed that play. These guys have massive egos, it’s not often this happens. Eli has been doing it for 15 years.,.............................,it happens more that you want to admit. Name one time Eli has owned up to a particular play in his 15 years. All you’ll have is him answering reporters that he has to make that throw, or he just missed a throw. He NEVER singled out a play that he just basically whiffed at like Peppers did. You’re going to have a difficult time on the boards once Eli retires. What will you talk about? Oh that’s right, you’ll follow dannydimes8 around like a lost puppy critiquing everything he says.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 15, 2019 13:58:19 GMT -5
Peppers did some FS in Cleveland as a rookie and it didnt work out. Back at SS he started playing better. He is at his best at SS. I read somewhere that Peppers had played at LBer in the past. Not seeing how that could be, size-wise - but it would indicate SS is his most suitable position. you can goggle this topic on him when he was with the Browns. His play performance increased big time back at SS..
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 15, 2019 16:22:35 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Peppers had played at LBer in the past. Not seeing how that could be, size-wise - but it would indicate SS is his most suitable position. you can goggle this topic on him when he was with the Browns. His play performance increased big time back at SS.. Didn't he play safety, LB, and RB in college? If I remember correctly some "analysts" though RB was his best position.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 15, 2019 17:04:10 GMT -5
Easy Mike....I am not bashing Bethea.... If your SS is leading the team in tackles its usually not a good thing overall. Bethea is slow and this will effect all parts of his game in different degrees. If he is the best they have to play SS then he needs to be out there. I am not making anything up. Eh most teams have DBs at the top of their tackles list. Heck the Pats have 4 in their top 6 tacklers. Either way Bethea is a high tackles player and a leader. That is why we brought him in, not for his coverage ability. He did this in Arizona, San Fran and Indy. It's who he is. He is being exactly what he has always been.
If you are not making up the "late to the party" comment, what is it based on? You can't be late and be first haha and he leads the team in solo tackles. Just so we're clear I'm not saying he is the greatest SS ever, just that he is exactly what we (or at least I) thought he would be. I would like to see Love in there this year though.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 15, 2019 19:02:58 GMT -5
Name one time Eli has owned up to a particular play in his 15 years. All you’ll have is him answering reporters that he has to make that throw, or he just missed a throw. He NEVER singled out a play that he just basically whiffed at like Peppers did. LOL, now you're flat out lying . Face it you're wrong . Wrong about what? Let’s go over this together shall we? This discussion is about pro athletes who openly admit a mistake. I’ve commented that most athletes don’t do that due to their ego. Now you must have an abundance of Eli quotes to say otherwise. Unreal how we’re having this discussion.. You’re like a car wreck, I know you’re a mess but I can’t help to see what’s going on.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 15, 2019 19:36:45 GMT -5
LOL, now you're flat out lying . Face it you're wrong . Wrong about what? Let’s go over this together shall we? This discussion is about pro athletes who openly admit a mistake. I’ve commented that most athletes don’t do that due to their ego. Now you must have an abundance of Eli quotes to say otherwise. Unreal how we’re having this discussion.. You’re like a car wreck, I know you’re a mess but I can’t help to see what’s going on. When a reporter asks him about a specific throw/play and he says he has to make that throw, isn't that him admitting he Fd up? Not sure what you are looking for him to say honestly. IMO Eli has taken more blame than he probably should, even when it was clear a WR messed up he would take the heat for it. Not sure what I am missing, other than you dislike Eli.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 15, 2019 19:56:04 GMT -5
Easy Mike....I am not bashing Bethea.... If your SS is leading the team in tackles its usually not a good thing overall. Bethea is slow and this will effect all parts of his game in different degrees. If he is the best they have to play SS then he needs to be out there. I am not making anything up. Eh most teams have DBs at the top of their tackles list. Heck the Pats have 4 in their top 6 tacklers. Either way Bethea is a high tackles player and a leader. That is why we brought him in, not for his coverage ability. He did this in Arizona, San Fran and Indy. It's who he is. He is being exactly what he has always been.
If you are not making up the "late to the party" comment, what is it based on? You can't be late and be first haha and he leads the team in solo tackles. Just so we're clear I'm not saying he is the greatest SS ever, just that he is exactly what we (or at least I) thought he would be. I would like to see Love in there this year though.
So Bethea was a FS for most of his career that could not cover? That’s what you are eluding too. Of course thats not true. FS have to cover well or they have no career as a FS. He has always been a very good tackler. He has spent time as a SS too. All I am saying is he has lost a step or two. He is a leader and has had a very good career. I am not trashing the guy one bit. He gets his tackles....ok. But he IS late to the party on coverage. It is what is is.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 15, 2019 19:56:59 GMT -5
you can goggle this topic on him when he was with the Browns. His play performance increased big time back at SS.. Didn't he play safety, LB, and RB in college? If I remember correctly some "analysts" though RB was his best position. Not sure. He def was an RB in HS.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 15, 2019 21:19:13 GMT -5
So Bethea was a FS for most of his career that could not cover? That’s what you are eluding too. Of course thats not true. FS have to cover well or they have no career as a FS. He has always been a very good tackler. He has spent time as a SS too. All I am saying is he has lost a step or two. He is a leader and has had a very good career. I am not trashing the guy one bit. He gets his tackles....ok. But he IS late to the party on coverage. It is what is is. I'm saying that at 35 we were not bringing him in here for his coverage ability. He is a very good tackler, with experience and leadership. That is his thing that we brought him here for, which he has done very well at.
As for the late to the party thing, you can feel free to correct your mistake if you want but don't pretend like you were saying he was late to the party on coverage. This is your exact quote "he's late to the party even on tackling..." haha. That is the only thing you said I disagreed with. He isn't late on tackling. Sure he is late on coverage but I was not commending his coverage ability. If you decide to change that stance now it's all good man, we can move on. emoji
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