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Post by redbeardxxv on Oct 11, 2019 16:06:29 GMT -5
Shurmer isn't on the Hot Seat-in my opinion, but it sure isn't air conditioned either. I think he gets 1 more year to prove himself before they even consider moving on. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if the replaced him either. This team has been shifty lately...
As rumors start about coaches being replaced at the end of the season, or coordinators start looking like they have potential, I can't help but wonder..... What name would make you fire Shurmer?
The most obvious answer is Belichick- I'd fire Shurmer at his mothers funeral for a shot at having BB coach this team- I think most of us would, but what about a name like Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy for example(s)? Who would it take to become available for us to switch? Who would you want?
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2019 16:14:30 GMT -5
How about let the coach who hand picked the qb specifically because he was perfect for his system actually coach a good NFL caliber roster first.
I'm glad Mara actually has patience and ignores the bitching of the instant gratification crowd because he will be here through 2021 unless a 2017 like situation happens
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 11, 2019 16:21:00 GMT -5
I'm willing to give Shurmur this season and next before I start bitching, but as of right now I see nothing from him to get excited about, he's a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys...
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Post by TEM on Oct 11, 2019 16:42:08 GMT -5
Yeah lets hire a 68 year old head coach . So we can hire another the following year. A virtuoso plan. This has my vote to be selected to the thread hall of fame.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2019 16:48:03 GMT -5
Yeah lets hire a 68 year old head coach . So we can hire another the following year. A virtuoso plan. This has my vote to be selected to the thread hall of fame. You mean hall of shame
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Post by redbeardxxv on Oct 11, 2019 17:08:39 GMT -5
Reading comprehension your weak point? I'm not suggesting we fire Shurmer. I'm simply wondering if there's a coach out there that you guys think would be an instant upgrade and worth making the move for.
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Post by TEM on Oct 11, 2019 17:15:51 GMT -5
Shurmer isn't on the Hot Seat-in my opinion, but it sure isn't air conditioned either. I think he gets 1 more year to prove himself before they even consider moving on. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if the replaced him either. This team has been shifty lately... As rumors start about coaches being replaced at the end of the season, or coordinators start looking like they have potential, I can't help but wonder..... What name would make you fire Shurmer? The most obvious answer is Belichick- I'd fire Shurmer at his mothers funeral for a shot at having BB coach this team- I think most of us would, but what about a name like Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy for example(s)? Who would it take to become available for us to switch? Who would you want? The comprehension of your writing was loud a and clear . A 68 year old head coach is the obvious choice. And again, NO Any GM Owner , or holder of common sense would see the problem with hiring a position you want to be long term, with a individual that is one or 2 years away from retirement.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2019 17:25:50 GMT -5
Shurmer isn't on the Hot Seat-in my opinion, but it sure isn't air conditioned either. I think he gets 1 more year to prove himself before they even consider moving on. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if the replaced him either. This team has been shifty lately... As rumors start about coaches being replaced at the end of the season, or coordinators start looking like they have potential, I can't help but wonder..... What name would make you fire Shurmer? The most obvious answer is Belichick- I'd fire Shurmer at his mothers funeral for a shot at having BB coach this team- I think most of us would, but what about a name like Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy for example(s)? Who would it take to become available for us to switch? Who would you want? The comprehension of your writing was loud a and clear . A 68 year old head coach is the obvious choice. And again, NO And why are we talking about this if he isn't on the hot seat. This thread needs an anchor
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Post by TEM on Oct 11, 2019 17:31:54 GMT -5
The comprehension of your writing was loud a and clear . A 68 year old head coach is the obvious choice. And again, NO And why are we talking about this if he isn't on the hot seat. This thread needs an anchor It is hilarious "I'd fire Shurmer at his mothers funeral for a shot at having BB coach this team" (In his OP) His next post "I'm not suggesting we fire Shurmer"And he questions our comprehension problem I love this board. You just can't find this level of comedy anywhere else.
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Post by lt56 on Oct 11, 2019 17:47:11 GMT -5
100% Stick with Shurmur and continue to upgrade the Talent on the Roster
I think Shumur can develop Jones into a excellent QB! I actually like his Offense but the Talent Level is not up to Par just yet especially with all the Injuries on Offense right now. Need to add more Weapons so we don't have to JUST depend on Barkley and run him into the ground and he breaks down physically before we're ready to contend
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Post by Eazy E on Oct 11, 2019 18:56:45 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 11, 2019 19:27:16 GMT -5
Our team is young, honestly Harbaugh would be my guy. Look what he did with the young 49ers team. His schtick would resonate much better with a young group.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 11, 2019 19:34:17 GMT -5
LOL, so it's the big flashy names. I love it when people mention BB coming back here to coach..........it seriously makes me think posters here need drug testing. Oh go hug a tree you hippie..
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 11, 2019 20:26:53 GMT -5
Ok enough people piled on the OP so I won't bother. I'll play the game.
No I don't think there is an instant upgrade coach I would prefer. I know people here are bitching about his play calling and decision making ect but at this point I could care less. IMO he is still learning and figuring somethings out in that regard. I think Shurmur and Shula are the absolute best combo of coaches to develop our young QB. Their job is to make Jones into the best QB in the league and if that happens missing a timeout here or a bad challenge there won't make a damn bit of difference. I would not move on from them two until I am ready to move on from Daniel Jones as well.
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Post by Eazy E on Oct 12, 2019 16:26:37 GMT -5
The question that was posed was "who do I want as a coach?". Meaning pure fantasy, you know made up. Not for someone to be ridiculed and outcasted for merely stating a thought. Everyone has their own opinion and has a right to it. Im 100% a Giants fan and support Shurmur 100%. I support whoever is on the field representing the Gmen. I never wanted Shurmer but it wasn't my choice. So I wish him well. If I was a GM I would be looking at a resume, a winning tradition. We have recently tried a newbie. How did that work out. We have also given someone a second chance. Its still under review but not a good start. I wish he wins a superbowl but only one team wins every year. We will see.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 12, 2019 16:29:51 GMT -5
Eli Manning?
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 12, 2019 16:31:38 GMT -5
Bill Belichick or Mike Tomlin.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 12, 2019 16:53:51 GMT -5
I think we all agree that Schurmer should have at least 3 years. Maybe a 4th cause he might need that extra year with his young QB. Belichik is probably the best coach ever so of course people would spit his name out immediately. Not thinking thru that he will retire when Brady does I would think.
But just to go along with the premise I always liked Tomlin if he was available. He has detractors but I always felt he was successful and competitive. I certainly like him over McCarthy.
I really don't know who the hot OC's or DC's are around the league.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 13, 2019 1:09:27 GMT -5
Ok enough people piled on the OP so I won't bother. I'll play the game. No I don't think there is an instant upgrade coach I would prefer. I know people here are bitching about his play calling and decision making ect but at this point I could care less. IMO he is still learning and figuring somethings out in that regard. I think Shurmur and Shula are the absolute best combo of coaches to develop our young QB. Their job is to make Jones into the best QB in the league and if that happens missing a timeout here or a bad challenge there won't make a damn bit of difference. I would not move on from them two until I am ready to move on from Daniel Jones as well. I don't think his post was so outrageous. I thought his summary of Shurmur's position was pretty fair. And yeah, I too would hire Belichick in a minute if he became available and wanted the job. Shurmur could work with him while retaining OC responsibilities and then take over as HC again. Or he could opt not to do so if he wanted. But I'd make that move 99 out of 100 times. As far as others, I don't know. Belichick is the only one I'd do that for and I'm fine waiting until after next season to speculate about that. We'll need to talk about something during the lockout.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 13, 2019 7:52:35 GMT -5
Ok enough people piled on the OP so I won't bother. I'll play the game. No I don't think there is an instant upgrade coach I would prefer. I know people here are bitching about his play calling and decision making ect but at this point I could care less. IMO he is still learning and figuring somethings out in that regard. I think Shurmur and Shula are the absolute best combo of coaches to develop our young QB. Their job is to make Jones into the best QB in the league and if that happens missing a timeout here or a bad challenge there won't make a damn bit of difference. I would not move on from them two until I am ready to move on from Daniel Jones as well. I don't think his post was so outrageous. I thought his summary of Shurmur's position was pretty fair. And yeah, I too would hire Belichick in a minute if he became available and wanted the job. Shurmur could work with him while retaining OC responsibilities and then take over as HC again. Or he could opt not to do so if he wanted. But I'd make that move 99 out of 100 times. As far as others, I don't know. Belichick is the only one I'd do that for and I'm fine waiting until after next season to speculate about that. We'll need to talk about something during the lockout. I guess we are in the minority but I would take a 80 year old Belechick over Shurmer. He is one of the greatest coaches of all time and he loves the Giants.
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 13, 2019 7:55:35 GMT -5
Peyton, bro. Eli OC. Cooper as director of personnel. Puts us in the direct pipeline for Arch to be the franchise qb in 10 years. The prophecy must be fulfilled. So it is written. So shall it be done.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 13, 2019 8:02:51 GMT -5
Peyton, bro. Eli OC. Cooper as director of personnel. Puts us in the direct pipeline for Arch to be the franchise qb in 10 years. The prophecy must be fulfilled. So let it be written. So let it be done. To be fully complete, the Overlord Archie should be hired as GM.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 13, 2019 8:21:08 GMT -5
We could've had someone like Sean McVay, whose dad used to coach here. We also could've had Sean McDermott, who is coaching a stellar defense in Bufffalo. Instead, we've had Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur, two OCs who have no business being head coaches. This franchise does not think outside of the box and is too conservative (not the political term) to take any real chances in their hiring processes.
Anyways, the reality of the situation is that he will be given at least one more year. If this team is still subpar after next year, he should be replaced, regardless of Jones' progress. A coach's job is to win games. That is how they are judged.
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Post by Nite on Oct 13, 2019 8:31:33 GMT -5
Vince Lombardi - is he available?
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Post by Nite on Oct 13, 2019 8:33:24 GMT -5
Actually what I would want as DC is Jim Leonhard who is presently the DC of the Wisconsin Badgers..just threw another shutout yesterday the 4th (or 5th) of the year
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 13, 2019 8:47:53 GMT -5
To be fully complete, the Overlord Archie should be hired as GM. NO,..........Olivia ! She's more like the puppet master, who controls it all, but is never seen...
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 13, 2019 9:12:10 GMT -5
Vince Lombardi - is he available? Check the NJ Turnpike.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 13, 2019 9:20:37 GMT -5
Lincoln Riley although I think he’s gonna stay in college awhile longer. I like John DeFillippo and Eric Bienemy. Rex Ryan would be my choice as DC to take this 3-4 to the next level. I don’t give a crap about his failures as acHC, the guy can coach D and bring pressure and bring the attitude I want on D, mean, nasty, cocky.
I don’t like whatsoever the personality of this football team. I’m all for not having guys who beat women or do serious drugs, but I’m also not opposed to guys who play mean. This isn’t the Boy Scouts or a glee club. It’s football. And I feel they’ve targeted Boy Scouts under Gettleman and Shurmur. Rather than coach and discipline they run and hide from anyone who speaks up.
Riley with Ryan as DC would be my staff of choice.
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Post by southerner on Oct 13, 2019 10:11:45 GMT -5
Lincoln Riley although I think he’s gonna stay in college awhile longer. I like John DeFillippo and Eric Bienemy. Rex Ryan would be my choice as DC to take this 3-4 to the next level. I don’t give a crap about his failures as acHC, the guy can coach D and bring pressure and bring the attitude I want on D, mean, nasty, cocky. I don’t like whatsoever the personality of this football team. I’m all for not having guys who beat women or do serious drugs, but I’m also not opposed to guys who play mean. This isn’t the Boy Scouts or a glee club. It’s football. And I feel they’ve targeted Boy Scouts under Gettleman and Shurmur. Rather than coach and discipline they run and hide from anyone who speaks up. Riley with Ryan as DC would be my staff of choice. Please......college coaches nearly always fail, until they have had numerous years in the NFL as an assistant coach....
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 13, 2019 10:12:04 GMT -5
I don’t like whatsoever the personality of this football team. I’m all for not having guys who beat women or do serious drugs, but I’m also not opposed to guys who play mean. This isn’t the Boy Scouts or a glee club. It’s football. And I feel they’ve targeted Boy Scouts under Gettleman and Shurmur. Rather than coach and discipline they run and hide from anyone who speaks up. You seriously know nothing about the NY Giants. I seriously do, so move on. I know we suck and have for awhile. I know the HC is a loser. These things can be backed up with things called records. We are 2-4 now. We are 7-15 under this staff. Of the 7 wins the starting QBs for the opposing team include: Mark Sanchez, Case Keenum, Nick Mullens, Chase Daniel, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Notably 4 of them are no longer NFL starters, that will be 5 soon. Shurmur has never topped 5 wins as a HC. They’ve run every player to make a peep out of town since he got here because he can’t handle running a team. I can’t wait for him to be gone. I can’t wait for this team to start playing good football.
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