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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 13, 2019 10:15:33 GMT -5
Lincoln Riley although I think he’s gonna stay in college awhile longer. I like John DeFillippo and Eric Bienemy. Rex Ryan would be my choice as DC to take this 3-4 to the next level. I don’t give a crap about his failures as acHC, the guy can coach D and bring pressure and bring the attitude I want on D, mean, nasty, cocky. I don’t like whatsoever the personality of this football team. I’m all for not having guys who beat women or do serious drugs, but I’m also not opposed to guys who play mean. This isn’t the Boy Scouts or a glee club. It’s football. And I feel they’ve targeted Boy Scouts under Gettleman and Shurmur. Rather than coach and discipline they run and hide from anyone who speaks up. Riley with Ryan as DC would be my staff of choice. Please......college coaches nearly always fail, until they have had numerous years in the NFL as an assistant coach.... There is no resume background that goes hand in hand with picking a good coach. The NFL has adopted college offenses. Riley’s scheme will work in the pros. The key to his success will be alligning with the right DC. Ryan is that guy and he has experience in NY as a successful HC. You leave the D to him and concentrate on the O. That said this thread is fiction. We all know Shurmur is getting 1 more year. This is a topic for a year from now.
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Post by southerner on Oct 13, 2019 10:16:06 GMT -5
Shurmur is going nowhere and probably has at least 4 years, probably 5. If replaced, Todd Bowles would be the choice. He is a great coach that had garbage on the Jets. Bill Belichek got fired from Cleveland before he got to New England. Ron Rivera would be a good choice also.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 13, 2019 10:20:16 GMT -5
Peyton, bro. Eli OC. Cooper as director of personnel. Puts us in the direct pipeline for Arch to be the franchise qb in 10 years. The prophecy must be fulfilled. So it is written. So shall it be done. I’d hire Peyton as Gettleman’s successor. He is a born competitor. He will succeed. He will hire good personnel people, tell them what he needs, and trust them. He won’t draft a RB # 2 as a GM, rest assured of that.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 13, 2019 10:21:34 GMT -5
Shurmur is going nowhere and probably has at least 4 years, probably 5. If replaced, Todd Bowles would be the choice. He is a great coach that had garbage on the Jets. Bill Belichek got fired from Cleveland before he got to New England. Ron Rivera would be a good choice also. I hope this was all meant to be funny because every word made me laugh. Thank you.
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Post by southerner on Oct 13, 2019 10:22:13 GMT -5
Peyton, bro. Eli OC. Cooper as director of personnel. Puts us in the direct pipeline for Arch to be the franchise qb in 10 years. The prophecy must be fulfilled. So it is written. So shall it be done. I’d hire Peyton as Gettleman’s successor. He is a born competitor. He will succeed. He will hire good personnel people, tell them what he needs, and trust them. He won’t draft a RB # 2 as a GM, rest assured of that. The only team Peyton would consider is New Orleans. Can’t see Eli coaching at all.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 13, 2019 10:27:11 GMT -5
I’d hire Peyton as Gettleman’s successor. He is a born competitor. He will succeed. He will hire good personnel people, tell them what he needs, and trust them. He won’t draft a RB # 2 as a GM, rest assured of that. The only team Peyton would consider is New Orleans. Can’t see Eli coaching at all. Eli isn’t a coach. I think he will do TV. He lives here and the networks are here. Peyton is going to be a GM though. Likely very soon unless he buys into a team.
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Post by southerner on Oct 13, 2019 10:27:19 GMT -5
Shurmur is going nowhere and probably has at least 4 years, probably 5. If replaced, Todd Bowles would be the choice. He is a great coach that had garbage on the Jets. Bill Belichek got fired from Cleveland before he got to New England. Ron Rivera would be a good choice also. I hope this was all meant to be funny because every word made me laugh. Thank you. Coming from you tells me I must be right.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 13, 2019 11:09:52 GMT -5
Why would Belichick leave the Patriots? Doesn't much sense to me...and add to it he's almost 70 years old.
I wouldn't be looking for "names"..I'd be looking for a coach that is a good fit for the team/franchise going forward.
Shurmur was hand-picked to be coach last year after a competitive process. If we fire him this year it would tell me that the Giants front-office has no idea what they are doing.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 13, 2019 11:16:51 GMT -5
But with that said I think we might have "settled" for a guy with Shurmur's resume because big-name coaches most likely wouldn't want to join a franchise in disarray. I'm undecided on Shurmur...I don't think he has coached teams with a lot of talent so willing to give him a chance.
Shurmur entered this franchise when it was in turmoil...a job that many other coaches would turn down because of the fiasco the front-office helped create in the prior year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 13, 2019 11:45:51 GMT -5
Why would Belichick leave the Patriots? Doesn't much sense to me...and add to it he's almost 70 years old. I wouldn't be looking for "names"..I'd be looking for a coach that is a good fit for the team/franchise going forward. Shurmur was hand-picked to be coach last year after a competitive process. If we fire him this year it would tell me that the Giants front-office has no idea what they are doing. Shurmer isnt going to be on the hot seat till after 2021 if its not trending playoffs Dumb thread
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Post by McCherry on Oct 13, 2019 12:40:13 GMT -5
Shurmur is 7-15 as the Giants coach. He's lost 2 in a row and his franchise QB is regressing... Lose to the Cardinals next week and we can revive this thread.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 13, 2019 16:16:24 GMT -5
Shurmur is 7-15 as the Giants coach. He's lost 2 in a row and his franchise QB is regressing... Lose to the Cardinals next week and we can revive this thread. The Vikings beat the snot out of Philly and the Pats beat the crap out of everyone. Jones didnt have a run game in either games and even with a decent run game, philly got whopped. I do agree I would worry of they don't beat the cards next week...
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Post by southerner on Oct 14, 2019 3:56:25 GMT -5
Shurmur is 7-15 as the Giants coach. He's lost 2 in a row and his franchise QB is regressing... Lose to the Cardinals next week and we can revive this thread. Silly statement. The Giants lost to the Vikings and Pats, as would most of the other NFL teams. They lost without most of their offensive stars, and while starting and/ or playing many rookies and 2nd year players.....to ignore those facts is to have no understanding whatsoever of the NFL. This is still a rebuild year and still some refuse to acknowledge this reality.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 14, 2019 4:33:43 GMT -5
Shurmur is 7-15 as the Giants coach. He's lost 2 in a row and his franchise QB is regressing... Lose to the Cardinals next week and we can revive this thread. Regressing? What an absurd statement
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Post by McCherry on Oct 14, 2019 11:59:15 GMT -5
He's lost 2 in a row and his franchise QB is regressing.. LOL, ...........or taking his rookie lumps and growing pains. That was a criticism of Shurmer and the state of the team, not Jones. Most of us know Jones going through some normal rookie adversity. My support for Daniel Jones has hardly been contained if you’ve seen my posts. I have all the confidence in Jones, not Shurmer. Fans seem to think he’s untouchable. I expect they'll fare better this Sunday than the last 2 games but it’s going to be a bad look if they continue to struggle offensively against the Cards and Murray, who is playing well.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 14, 2019 12:01:19 GMT -5
Shurmer isn't on the Hot Seat-in my opinion, but it sure isn't air conditioned either. I think he gets 1 more year to prove himself before they even consider moving on. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if the replaced him either. This team has been shifty lately... As rumors start about coaches being replaced at the end of the season, or coordinators start looking like they have potential, I can't help but wonder..... What name would make you fire Shurmer? The most obvious answer is Belichick- I'd fire Shurmer at his mothers funeral for a shot at having BB coach this team- I think most of us would, but what about a name like Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy for example(s)? Who would it take to become available for us to switch? Who would you want? Stay Classy NY
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 14, 2019 12:17:25 GMT -5
I want a new generation coach who gets analytics and strategy, something akin to what's happening in baseball. Giants are hiring based on experience which unfortunately is skewing the process toward "rule of thumb" guys like shurmur who make bad decisions during the game.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 14, 2019 12:25:45 GMT -5
I want a new generation coach who gets analytics and strategy, something akin to what's happening in baseball. Giants are hiring based on experience which unfortunately is skewing the process toward "rule of thumb" guys like shurmur who make bad decisions during the game. It's all luck when you're hiring from the current NFL pool of coaches. You try to get the next McVeigh, McDermott etc. The Colts get turned down by McDaniels, then hit it with Frank Reich. You never know. We don't know what Shurmur is yet. Sunday is probably the most meaningful game of his career, so we're going to start finding out.
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 14, 2019 12:55:25 GMT -5
I want a new generation coach who gets analytics and strategy, something akin to what's happening in baseball. Giants are hiring based on experience which unfortunately is skewing the process toward "rule of thumb" guys like shurmur who make bad decisions during the game. It's all luck when you're hiring from the current NFL pool of coaches. You try to get the next McVeigh, McDermott etc. The Colts get turned down by McDaniels, then hit it with Frank Reich. You never know. We don't know what Shurmur is yet. Sunday is probably the most meaningful game of his career, so we're going to start finding out. I'd say unfortunately we do know what we got with shurmur , an old school by the book but who's not going to change. New school guys are easy to spot, like the bills HC who's turned that franchise around. Experienced coaches aren't necessarily condemned to the old school dungeon, for example bellichick has demonstrated an ability to adapt and grow over time. I hate him because he's a @#&@ but he's smart. Shurmur is pretty much the opposite: set in his ways but pretty nice guy.
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 14, 2019 13:03:42 GMT -5
It's all luck when you're hiring from the current NFL pool of coaches. You try to get the next McVeigh, McDermott etc. The Colts get turned down by McDaniels, then hit it with Frank Reich. You never know. We don't know what Shurmur is yet. Sunday is probably the most meaningful game of his career, so we're going to start finding out. I'd say unfortunately we do know what we got with shurmur , an old school by the book but who's not going to change. New school guys are easy to spot, like the bills HC who's turned that franchise around. Experienced coaches aren't necessarily condemned to the old school dungeon, for example bellichick has demonstrated an ability to adapt and grow over time. I hate him because he's a @#&@ but he's smart. Shurmur is pretty much the opposite: set in his ways but pretty nice guy. Also, Reich, Shurmur Pererson and Le Fluer are from Andy Reids coaching staff.
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Post by jmike on Oct 14, 2019 13:25:08 GMT -5
The comprehension of your writing was loud a and clear . A 68 year old head coach is the obvious choice. And again, NO And why are we talking about this if he isn't on the hot seat. This thread needs an anchor
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Post by southerner on Oct 14, 2019 13:29:17 GMT -5
I want a new generation coach who gets analytics and strategy, something akin to what's happening in baseball. Giants are hiring based on experience which unfortunately is skewing the process toward "rule of thumb" guys like shurmur who make bad decisions during the game. Asinine......good coaches all have their own style, analytics or no. The only “rule of thumb guys” are those commanded by any one rule........like analytics.
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Post by Nullusion on Oct 14, 2019 14:32:19 GMT -5
Shurmur isn't going anywhere. This team is in year two of its transition to a 3-4 and is only now starting his handpicked quarterback. Next season will be much more telling about where this team is heading. Right now it seems to be trending up and given how close the NFC East is right now we're still in play for the division.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 14, 2019 16:01:47 GMT -5
I want a new generation coach who gets analytics and strategy, something akin to what's happening in baseball. Giants are hiring based on experience which unfortunately is skewing the process toward "rule of thumb" guys like shurmur who make bad decisions during the game. Player analytics in baseball can be predictive. Player analytics in football are not. Situational analytics in football can be of use but their scope is very limited. Advanced player analytics are sports talk radio fodder that have essentially no value to actual football.
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Post by KingCap88 on Oct 14, 2019 16:06:22 GMT -5
If the rest of the season goes off the rails then I could see Shurmur getting the ax. If he can't carve out a winning season with either Eli or Jones then I wouldn't be shocked if Mara decided to start over fresh with a new HC.
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Post by jmike on Oct 15, 2019 8:20:02 GMT -5
I want a new generation coach who gets analytics and strategy, something akin to what's happening in baseball. Giants are hiring based on experience which unfortunately is skewing the process toward "rule of thumb" guys like shurmur who make bad decisions during the game. Player analytics in baseball can be predictive. Player analytics in football are not. Situational analytics in football can be of use but their scope is very limited. Advanced player analytics are sports talk radio fodder that have essentially no value to actual football. exactly this
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 15, 2019 11:52:05 GMT -5
Player analytics in baseball can be predictive. Player analytics in football are not. Situational analytics in football can be of use but their scope is very limited. Advanced player analytics are sports talk radio fodder that have essentially no value to actual football. exactly this I know, but I have to admit I absolutely love the refusal by its most ardent supporters to accept that reality. Try as they might, they just can't accept that SimCity isn't actual real life.
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Post by Waybackfan on Oct 15, 2019 15:04:34 GMT -5
Every coach eventually gets fired.
Sooner or later their genius quits.
Coincidentally, this seems to happen once they no longer have good players to coach.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 15, 2019 16:18:19 GMT -5
Unless we get to a point where it seems like the team is under performing in comparison to their talent on the field I really don't see a need to replace Schurmer.
There are very few truly "great" coaches out there that can consistently elevate their teams' play. BB is the obvious one, but I think John Harbaugh is also a great coach. Outside of those and maybe Andy Reid, there aren't much. I don't consider Tomlin to be a "great" coach, he makes a lot of questionable calls himself but he's also had immensely talented teams. So I'm not convinced his success carries outside of PIT.
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