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Post by soflo on Oct 12, 2019 11:43:33 GMT -5
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 11:56:17 GMT -5
This list is irrelevant until FA opens
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 12, 2019 12:08:47 GMT -5
You should have said. Who do you wish we can get realistically. Derrick Henry Shaq Thompson Jack Conklin Most will re sign with existing teams or franchise tag.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 12:12:16 GMT -5
We need OTs, pass rushers, and coverage people. FA, trades, draft all need to prioritize these 3 areas. Ideally FA can provide a corner, S, and OT as I prefer not to be relying on kids at those spots. Draft for pass rush and OT as well.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2019 12:23:49 GMT -5
I'm making it a priority to go after Yannick Ngakoue. It's a long shot depending on what the Jags do with him, they could franchise him or sign him to a long term contract. They drafted Allen in this years draft so not sure what the Jaguars plans are with the young defensive end.
He would make an immediate impact to our defense. Now, does that mean we let Golden walk? Because the way the season is going he's making it very difficult to not resign him. But if I had a choice Ngakoue is the better player.
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Post by TEM on Oct 12, 2019 12:36:45 GMT -5
I am going to sign 8-12 mid level contracts at about 3 -4 million a year. To rebuild the depth remove PS backup players from the roster. That is about 35 a year or 18% of the cap for 10 players . No big contract signings. get rid of the PS players off the roster.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 12:45:27 GMT -5
I am going to sign 8-12 mid level contracts at about 3 -4 million a year. To rebuild the depth remove PS backup players from the roster. That is about 35 a year or 18% of the cap for 10 players . No big contract signings. get rid of the PS players off the roster. Depth isn’t the main issue. Lack of starting talent is, at OLB, OT, corner, S they need starters. Pushing some of these starters to the bench will build depth.
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 12, 2019 12:51:38 GMT -5
I like the idea of over-paying (which is what free agency is) when we're short a couple pieces. Plugging a hole with a level of talent matching what's around it.
But FA for this team should be trying to find depth and inexpensive value because of the sheer volume of needs. I'd love to see a solid drafted base always developing at different stages on this team, and the financial freedom to keep them after a rookie contract.
We've been at or near the basement of our division for too long. Those perennial playoff teams are there because of their ability to draft, and it feels like its been a decade since we've been able to.
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Post by TEM on Oct 12, 2019 12:54:35 GMT -5
I am going to sign 8-12 mid level contracts at about 3 -4 million a year. To rebuild the depth remove PS backup players from the roster. That is about 35 a year or 18% of the cap for 10 players . No big contract signings. get rid of the PS players off the roster. Depth isn’t the main issue. Lack of starting talent is, at OLB, OT, corner, S they need starters. Pushing some of these starters to the bench will build depth. I said this before to you . Do not use stupid logic with me . You build from the draft . You supplement with FAs. That is a proven model. If you want me to continue to converse with you . Use your intellect when commenting on my posts . Not these outlandishly stupid bait traps you push out of your keyboard.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 12, 2019 13:01:10 GMT -5
I like the idea of over-paying (which is what free agency is) when we're short a couple pieces. Plugging a hole with a level of talent matching what's around it. But FA for this team should be trying to find depth and inexpensive value because of the sheer volume of needs. I'd love to see a solid drafted base always developing at different stages on this team, and the financial freedom to keep them after a rookie contract. We've been at or near the basement of our division for too long. Those perennial playoff teams are there because of their ability to draft, and it feels like its been a decade since we've been able to. I know its still early, but it looks like both of DG's drafts are pretty strong. Hopefully that tide is turning/
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 12, 2019 13:10:59 GMT -5
Littleton fron the Rams would be a nice upgrade to our Linebacking corps.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 13:14:07 GMT -5
Depth isn’t the main issue. Lack of starting talent is, at OLB, OT, corner, S they need starters. Pushing some of these starters to the bench will build depth. I said this before to you . Do not use stupid logic with me . You build from the draft . You supplement with FAs. That is a proven model. If you want me to continue to converse with you . Use your intellect when commenting on my posts . Not these outlandishly stupid bait traps you push out of your keyboard. Building through the draft does not mean you need to be cheap in FA. I did not mention the draft, nor did you. This is about free agency. This team has drafted young defensive players. It now needs some good vets inserted into the mix. They have 100 million in caproom. They need to attempt getting a few big ticket items at positions of need. You build teams through every single means of acquiring players available. Free agency is one of those. Depth is built by drafting well in the middle rounds. I’d use trades of picks for established players as an avenue given the caproom this offseason as well. Jones entering 2nd year. The window is open.
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Post by TEM on Oct 12, 2019 13:23:04 GMT -5
I said this before to you . Do not use stupid logic with me . You build from the draft . You supplement with FAs. That is a proven model. If you want me to continue to converse with you . Use your intellect when commenting on my posts . Not these outlandishly stupid bait traps you push out of your keyboard. Building through the draft does not mean you need to be cheap in FA. I did not mention the draft, nor did you. This is about free agency. This team has drafted young defensive players. It now needs some good vets inserted into the mix. They have 100 million in caproom. They need to attempt getting a few big ticket items at positions of need. You build teams through every single means of acquiring players available. Free agency is one of those. Depth is built by drafting well in the middle rounds. I’d use trades of picks for established players as an avenue given the caproom this offseason as well. Jones entering 2nd year. The window is open. Really that is what I said in my post .... you said was wrong. WTF is wrong with you?
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 13:27:28 GMT -5
Building through the draft does not mean you need to be cheap in FA. I did not mention the draft, nor did you. This is about free agency. This team has drafted young defensive players. It now needs some good vets inserted into the mix. They have 100 million in caproom. They need to attempt getting a few big ticket items at positions of need. You build teams through every single means of acquiring players available. Free agency is one of those. Depth is built by drafting well in the middle rounds. I’d use trades of picks for established players as an avenue given the caproom this offseason as well. Jones entering 2nd year. The window is open. Really that is what I said in my post .... you said as wrong. WTF is wrong with you? You posted about building the depth of the roster with 10 middling contracts. All I said is they need some big ticket items as well, starters which will push current starters into the depth pool and you went ape. I made no comment on the draft. We have $100 million in caproom. We need to spend some of that on upgrading OT, edge, coverage wherever we can. We also need to pay Engram and Tomlinson in the Shepard mold a year early.
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Post by redeyejedi on Oct 12, 2019 13:40:31 GMT -5
You should have said. Who do you wish we can get realistically. Derrick Henry Shaq Thompson Jack Conklin Most will re sign with existing teams or franchise tag. Conklin is one of the most interesting names on there that will get to free agency. Big Risk could be a huge reward. When healthy he is an elite Right Tackle. Only will be 27. Rare a guy like that gets to free agency.
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 12, 2019 13:46:19 GMT -5
Really that is what I said in my post .... you said as wrong. WTF is wrong with you? You posted about building the depth of the roster with 10 middling contracts. All I said is they need some big ticket items as well, starters which will push current starters into the depth pool and you went ape. I made no comment on the draft. We have $100 million in caproom. We need to spend some of that on upgrading OT, edge, coverage wherever we can. We also need to pay Engram and Tomlinson in the Shepard mold a year early. I would sign Tomlinson, ASAP. Engram, I would not rush into signing him. Injury prone and inconsistent hands. If, Engram decides to sign elsewhere. We should get a 3rd round comp.pick . Besides. Engram has two years left on his rookie contract.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 13:48:17 GMT -5
You should have said. Who do you wish we can get realistically. Derrick Henry Shaq Thompson Jack Conklin Most will re sign with existing teams or franchise tag. Conklin is one of the most interesting names on there that will get to free agency. Big Risk could be a huge reward. When healthy he is an elite Right Tackle. Only will be 27. Rare a guy like that gets to free agency. Conklin’s body is too risky for me to commit.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 13:50:54 GMT -5
You posted about building the depth of the roster with 10 middling contracts. All I said is they need some big ticket items as well, starters which will push current starters into the depth pool and you went ape. I made no comment on the draft. We have $100 million in caproom. We need to spend some of that on upgrading OT, edge, coverage wherever we can. We also need to pay Engram and Tomlinson in the Shepard mold a year early. I would sign Tomlinson, ASAP. Engram, I would not rush into signing him. Injury prone and inconsistent hands. If, Engram decides to sign elsewhere. We should get a 3rd round comp.pick . Besides. Engram has two years left on his rookie contract. Engram is a holdout candidate this offseason.
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 12, 2019 13:56:20 GMT -5
Depth isn’t the main issue. Lack of starting talent is, at OLB, OT, corner, S they need starters. Pushing some of these starters to the bench will build depth. I said this before to you . Do not use stupid logic with me . You build from the draft . You supplement with FAs. That is a proven model. If you want me to continue to converse with you . Use your intellect when commenting on my posts . Not these outlandishly stupid bait traps you push out of your keyboard. 50% of NE starting defense is free agents. If you know what you want in a player the most efficient way to get them is free agency. The next is the draft but you are not guaranteed anything unless you trade yourself into the position where you are guaranteed the player you want, you have the first pick or luck where your guy is there when you pick. Lastly there is a trade but this can have subjective values depending on how each trade parties values the player that is being traded.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 12, 2019 14:02:27 GMT -5
I would sign Tomlinson, ASAP. Engram, I would not rush into signing him. Injury prone and inconsistent hands. If, Engram decides to sign elsewhere. We should get a 3rd round comp.pick . Besides. Engram has two years left on his rookie contract. Engram is a holdout candidate this offseason. I don't think so, with his health history, just don't see it.
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 12, 2019 14:03:30 GMT -5
I would sign Tomlinson, ASAP. Engram, I would not rush into signing him. Injury prone and inconsistent hands. If, Engram decides to sign elsewhere. We should get a 3rd round comp.pick . Besides. Engram has two years left on his rookie contract. Engram is a holdout candidate this offseason. Then let him holdout. He hasn't proved he can contribute consistently. Also, that means he looking for a big contract.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 14:05:07 GMT -5
Engram is a holdout candidate this offseason. I don't think so, with his health history, just don't see it. Health is even more reason for him to trade taking a little less now to buy out years 4 and 5.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 14:22:13 GMT -5
Engram is a holdout candidate this offseason. Then let him holdout. He hasn't proved he can contribute consistently. Also, that means he looking for a big contract. Usually If you pay a guy after year 3 you get a better deal than you would if you wait. We need to lock him up. We can’t afford to let any more good players go. This is our window. We need to stockpile good. Do witty him what we did with Shepard.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2019 14:55:17 GMT -5
You should have said. Who do you wish we can get realistically. Derrick Henry Shaq Thompson Jack Conklin Most will re sign with existing teams or franchise tag. Conklin is one of the most interesting names on there that will get to free agency. Big Risk could be a huge reward. When healthy he is an elite Right Tackle. Only will be 27. Rare a guy like that gets to free agency. What is up with Conklin I know he had a knee is it not healing properly.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2019 14:59:33 GMT -5
I said this before to you . Do not use stupid logic with me . You build from the draft . You supplement with FAs. That is a proven model. If you want me to continue to converse with you . Use your intellect when commenting on my posts . Not these outlandishly stupid bait traps you push out of your keyboard. 50% of NE starting defense is free agents. If you know what you want in a player the most efficient way to get them is free agency. The next is the draft but you are not guaranteed anything unless you trade yourself into the position where you are guaranteed the player you want, you have the first pick or luck where your guy is there when you pick. Lastly there is a trade but this can have subjective values depending on how each trade parties values the player that is being traded. NE brings mid level free agents more often them not like Vanoy dudes been around the block but he is producing for the pats, it's the way they do it.
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Post by infinite420 on Oct 12, 2019 17:06:45 GMT -5
Byron Jones, Shaq Barrett, Demarcus Robinson
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2019 17:15:06 GMT -5
I like the idea of over-paying (which is what free agency is) when we're short a couple pieces. Plugging a hole with a level of talent matching what's around it. But FA for this team should be trying to find depth and inexpensive value because of the sheer volume of needs. I'd love to see a solid drafted base always developing at different stages on this team, and the financial freedom to keep them after a rookie contract. We've been at or near the basement of our division for too long. Those perennial playoff teams are there because of their ability to draft, and it feels like its been a decade since we've been able to. This except the one big signing of Conklin because it helps Jones with getting the line immediately better with a legit RT
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2019 17:17:54 GMT -5
Depth isn’t the main issue. Lack of starting talent is, at OLB, OT, corner, S they need starters. Pushing some of these starters to the bench will build depth. I said this before to you . Do not use stupid logic with me . You build from the draft . You supplement with FAs. That is a proven model. If you want me to continue to converse with you . Use your intellect when commenting on my posts . Not these outlandishly stupid bait traps you push out of your keyboard. This guy's history should he not be thrown off of here a 2nd time is to do exactly what we did in 2016 every year,and then fire the GM and coach every year
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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 12, 2019 17:22:28 GMT -5
Byron Jones, Shaq Barrett, Demarcus Robinson Barrett is getting tagged by TB. 0% chance he sees FA. We missed our shot.
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 12, 2019 17:34:35 GMT -5
50% of NE starting defense is free agents. If you know what you want in a player the most efficient way to get them is free agency. The next is the draft but you are not guaranteed anything unless you trade yourself into the position where you are guaranteed the player you want, you have the first pick or luck where your guy is there when you pick. Lastly there is a trade but this can have subjective values depending on how each trade parties values the player that is being traded. NE brings mid level free agents more often them not like Vanoy dudes been around the block but he is producing for the pats, it's the way they do it. The value of the free agent is not the question to me. NE knows what they want and they get it whatever way they can not just the draft. I pretty sure Stephon GiIlmore and Mcourty were not cheap pickups but they are now cornerstones for a great secondary.
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