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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 15, 2019 8:12:39 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 8:20:32 GMT -5
I'm finding the optimism pretty funny after a few bad games by the Eagles and Cowboys.. Some teams develop and get better as the season goes on and that all I'm hoping for. Then next year they better continue their great drafts and score a few real good FAs so we can truly discuss the chances of winning the division and maybe a playoff game..
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Post by Bigjeep on Oct 15, 2019 8:26:24 GMT -5
But I just don't realistically see this team winning the division or a playoff spot this year, regardless of how poorly DAL and PHI are playing. Yes I want DAL to lose, and not get into the playoffs..........and I want revenge for the last game. However with this schedule I do not see that many more wins coming to us. Face it we are looking at another top ten draft pick next spring......which is fine. It's a pipe dream, but still a dream worth dreaming for a few more weeks!
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 15, 2019 8:34:01 GMT -5
I think a lot of the optimism is from the view that the defense is slowly starting to gel, and could actually morph into a pretty good unit over the next 3 - 4 weeks. The way that Dallas and Phili have been playing, we could still be in the middle of the hunt when they do actually come around.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 15, 2019 8:42:28 GMT -5
I think a lot of the optimism is from the view that the defense is slowly starting to gel, and could actually morph into a pretty good unit over the next 3 - 4 weeks. The way that Dallas and Phili have been playing, we could still be in the middle of the hunt when they do actually come around. I think saying our defense is starting to jell is a stretch. I wouldn't be shocked if Arizona puts 40 on us.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 15, 2019 9:03:49 GMT -5
We were one field goal away from being 1-5 right now. Lost by 18 to the Vikings, and 21 to the Pats. They played their hearts out in New England but it was to much to overcome. Now saying all of that, on a good day we’re a mediocre team. Philly has owned this team for years, and Dallas kicked our ass opening the season. If not for a terrible Redskins team who knows if we would have won a game this year.
We have a lot of more work to do before we suggest the idea that we can be competitive let alone win a division. Not being negative, that’s being realistic.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 15, 2019 9:05:11 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet. After last night’s circus, it’s pretty clear no one is getting past GB this year.
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Post by ocgiant on Oct 15, 2019 9:12:59 GMT -5
No downer just reality, Giants seem to have the injury bug this season, thin at LB, OL (suspect at times) rookie secondary and QB learning just does not add up to many Ws
I'd like them to be a spoiler against a division rival, see progress as the D did against NE, (Hilliman fumble was a killer) and be competitive so there is something to root for this season
Really still could be not one but two drafts away from being a solid good team
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 15, 2019 9:18:18 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet. After last night’s circus, it’s pretty clear no one is getting past GB this year. I agree. But, if Giants were somehow make the playoffs. It will give the young players playoff experience. Plus, give them the desire to go further in the upcoming season.
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Post by Eazy E on Oct 15, 2019 9:22:37 GMT -5
GB would have took an L if that blatant PI was called or those 2 non illegal hands to the face garbage calls. Gift wrapped victory by refs.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 15, 2019 9:27:29 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet. Would inspire a lot of optimism going into next year though .....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:40:10 GMT -5
I am raising the stakes right now. If this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I'm raising the ante. Anybody who wants out can get out. This team is not going to the playoffs. OK? This team is not going to the playoffs.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 15, 2019 9:53:08 GMT -5
Yeah, the division stuff is fun and all, but it's not happening this season. Seeing them actually play a truly competitive game against a playoff bound team would be a step forward for this team. They've lost by more than 10 points against each good team they've faced so far and haven't really even put it outcomes of those games into question by the end of the third quarter.
The only true barometer of success for this season now is seeing Jones grow into a good QB. He came out on fire but has not been good the past few games. Now, hopefully with him getting some weapons back and the schedule easing up he can get some momentum going.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 10:05:51 GMT -5
I think we beat the Cardinals, Dolphins and Redskins. Not feeling the rest of the schedule soooooo 5-11. Maybe we sneak a win and get to 6-10. It’s going to be about 2020 and 2021
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 15, 2019 10:09:45 GMT -5
Yeah, the division stuff is fun and all, but it's not happening this season. Seeing them actually play a truly competitive game against a playoff bound team would be a step forward for this team. They've lost by more than 10 points against each good team they've faced so far and haven't really even put it outcomes of those games into question by the end of the third quarter. The only true barometer of success for this season now is seeing Jones grow into a good QB. He came out on fire but has not been good the past few games. Now, hopefully with him getting some weapons back and the schedule easing up he can get some momentum going. Yup. I said the same about my Mets this year. Show you can compete with good teams and I'll get excited. Being 1 game out of the division means nothing more than other teams stink too.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 15, 2019 10:48:07 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet. Would inspire a lot of optimism going into next year though ..... True, although I think we could use the high pick.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 15, 2019 10:49:25 GMT -5
I am raising the stakes right now. If this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I'm raising the ante. Anybody who wants out can get out. This team is not going to the playoffs. OK? This team is not going to the playoffs. So....you're saying there's a chance?
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 15, 2019 11:06:12 GMT -5
I am raising the stakes right now. If this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I'm raising the ante. Anybody who wants out can get out. This team is not going to the playoffs. OK? This team is not going to the playoffs. Whoa, that's quite the limb you're going out on there. So brave
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 15, 2019 11:13:39 GMT -5
I think a lot of the optimism is from the view that the defense is slowly starting to gel, and could actually morph into a pretty good unit over the next 3 - 4 weeks. The way that Dallas and Phili have been playing, we could still be in the middle of the hunt when they do actually come around. I think saying our defense is starting to jell is a stretch. I wouldn't be shocked if Arizona puts 40 on us. Well we always have to see how things progress but they pretty much shut down the Patriots and the refs had to help the patriots out multiple times with horrendously biased calls. Patriots are just one of those teams that are always getting helped by the refs when their momentum diminishes or they start struggling.
Plus when you consider that every time Bettcher makes adjustments in the second half and goes away from constant soft coverages, the defense has played well every single time. Plus the pass rush has actually started to become more consistent. So I understand the optimism because if Jones improves and the play calling does too then the Giants can easily become a much better team then many think. It's just a question of it they will continue to progress. I think they will as long as injuries don't further harm the team.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 15, 2019 11:26:22 GMT -5
I can see it.
Defense has shown improvement. Primary offensive weapons returning. Not a great team but headed in the right direction.
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Post by Merc on Oct 15, 2019 12:19:10 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet. If I remember right, this was said about our team going into the playoffs and we came away with a SB trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:27:00 GMT -5
It wouldn't really matter even if the Giants won the division at 8-8 because whoever they face in the first playoff game will beat them. They're simply not a good team yet. If I remember right, this was said about our team going into the playoffs and we came away with a SB trophy. When was this? I thought they would win both 1st games in 07 Bucs and 11 Falcons.
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 15, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -5
Lose to Az Sunday & at 2-5, all this positive talk will go away. 10 days off to get healthy, at home vs a 29th ranked D that has trouble stopping the run & an O that has a 5'10 QB behind center. If they can't beat this team, they will have tons of trouble beating anyone else this season. And it would be oh so nice to see this team leading comfortably going into the 4th qt but it is them, so I expect a last second nail biter cuz for so long, this team hasn't had the talent level to win games by 10+ on a consistent basis like NE does. Last time NY beat opponents by 10+ on consecutive weeks was 2014, in weeks 3-4-5, they beat:
Houston 30-17 Redskins 45-14 Atlanta 30-20
To get to 3-2, went 3-8 rest of the way to finish 6-10.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:40:12 GMT -5
This year is nothing but practice and experience gathering for 2020 and beyond, im not sure anyone could have playoff expectations this year im fine if we just see jones and the defense steadily improve. i dont think ive ever watched a season of gmen football as unconcerned about our record honestly. its a team of kids. not that i want us to get blown out every sunday, we need to win some games, but growth of each player is the number one goal
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 15, 2019 12:58:34 GMT -5
Lose to Az Sunday & at 2-5, all this positive talk will go away. 10 days off to get healthy, at home vs a 29th ranked D that has trouble stopping the run & an O that has a 5'10 QB behind center. If they can't beat this team, they will have tons of trouble beating anyone else this season. And it would be oh so nice to see this team leading comfortably going into the 4th qt but it is them, so I expect a last second nail biter cuz for so long, this team hasn't had the talent level to win games by 10+ on a consistent basis like NE does. Last time NY beat opponents by 10+ on consecutive weeks was 2014, in weeks 3-4-5, they beat: Houston 30-17 Redskins 45-14 Atlanta 30-20 To get to 3-2, went 3-8 rest of the way to finish 6-10. Murray's playing well on a team with a lot less offensive weapons than we have
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 15, 2019 13:05:53 GMT -5
Lose to Az Sunday & at 2-5, all this positive talk will go away. 10 days off to get healthy, at home vs a 29th ranked D that has trouble stopping the run & an O that has a 5'10 QB behind center. If they can't beat this team, they will have tons of trouble beating anyone else this season. And it would be oh so nice to see this team leading comfortably going into the 4th qt but it is them, so I expect a last second nail biter cuz for so long, this team hasn't had the talent level to win games by 10+ on a consistent basis like NE does. Last time NY beat opponents by 10+ on consecutive weeks was 2014, in weeks 3-4-5, they beat: Houston 30-17 Redskins 45-14 Atlanta 30-20 To get to 3-2, went 3-8 rest of the way to finish 6-10. Murray's playing well on a team with a lot less offensive weapons than we haveHow is that even possible?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 13:07:48 GMT -5
I am raising the stakes right now. If this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I'm raising the ante. Anybody who wants out can get out. This team is not going to the playoffs. OK? This team is not going to the playoffs. Whoa, that's quite the limb you're going out on there. So brave Just call me Jim Fasshole
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Post by jb456 on Oct 15, 2019 13:08:28 GMT -5
This was a 6 win team before the season and it looks like a 5 or 6 win team now. I just mentioned in the other thread that Dallas and Philly have their warts but I never believed that Giants were making the playoffs this year. That's crazy talk, especially given the health of the team this year...
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Post by jb456 on Oct 15, 2019 13:10:52 GMT -5
Murray's playing well on a team with a lot less offensive weapons than we haveHow is that even possible? They don't even have practice squad level players starting, they went straight to the Home Depot for players?
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 15, 2019 13:45:47 GMT -5
Murray's playing well on a team with a lot less offensive weapons than we haveHow is that even possible? Might be closer with our injuries ....
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