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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 21, 2020 21:01:18 GMT -5
We may never find out the lone Derek Jeter Hall of Fame dissenter In the sports version of “who’s the identity of this mystery person,” you can call Derek Jeter’s Hall of Fame dissenter. . . Deep Vote. But unlike the eventual emergence of the famed Watergate mystery figure, the fascinating question of “who didn’t vote for Derek Jeter for the Hall of Fame” might be one for which we never learn the answer. Voters for the Baseball Writers’ Association of America are not required to publicly reveal their ballots for the Hall of Fame. Thus, while the entire baseball world is craving the identity of which one of the 397 voters didn’t believe Jeter merited a spot in Cooperstown, that disclosure might remain private. Within the last few years, the BBWAA voted to require all writers to publicly reveal their ballots, a verdict in favor of transparency and accountability. However, the Hall of Fame overruled that vote, preferring to ensure anonymity to those who desired it. nypost.com/2020/01/21/we-may-never-find-out-the-lone-derek-jeter-hall-of-fame-dissenter/Oh what the ****. Great. Now asshats will always do this again behind a cloak of invisibility. Mo will now remain the only unanimous HOFer ever unless they change back
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 21, 2020 22:29:56 GMT -5
We may never find out the lone Derek Jeter Hall of Fame dissenter In the sports version of “who’s the identity of this mystery person,” you can call Derek Jeter’s Hall of Fame dissenter. . . Deep Vote. But unlike the eventual emergence of the famed Watergate mystery figure, the fascinating question of “who didn’t vote for Derek Jeter for the Hall of Fame” might be one for which we never learn the answer. Voters for the Baseball Writers’ Association of America are not required to publicly reveal their ballots for the Hall of Fame. Thus, while the entire baseball world is craving the identity of which one of the 397 voters didn’t believe Jeter merited a spot in Cooperstown, that disclosure might remain private. Within the last few years, the BBWAA voted to require all writers to publicly reveal their ballots, a verdict in favor of transparency and accountability. However, the Hall of Fame overruled that vote, preferring to ensure anonymity to those who desired it. nypost.com/2020/01/21/we-may-never-find-out-the-lone-derek-jeter-hall-of-fame-dissenter/Oh what the ****. Great. Now asshats will always do this again behind a cloak of invisibility. Mo will now remain the only unanimous HOFer ever unless they change back Is that true? Rivera is the only unanimous MLB HOFer ever?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 21, 2020 22:39:30 GMT -5
Oh what the ****. Great. Now asshats will always do this again behind a cloak of invisibility. Mo will now remain the only unanimous HOFer ever unless they change back Is that true? Rivera is the only unanimous MLB HOFer ever? Yup
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 22, 2020 0:18:16 GMT -5
Is that true? Rivera is the only unanimous MLB HOFer ever? Yup Wow. I didn't know that. I'm a little surprised; I guess it has a lot to do with the class you're voted with or something?
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 22, 2020 3:06:24 GMT -5
Wow. I didn't know that. I'm a little surprised; I guess it has a lot to do with the class you're voted with or something? A lot of it has to do with the voters of the past thinking, if players like Babe Ruth wasn't voted in unanimously then no player should get in unanimously.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 6:14:12 GMT -5
Wow. I didn't know that. I'm a little surprised; I guess it has a lot to do with the class you're voted with or something? Well, until a few years ago, the voters voted anonymously. So they were never held accountable. So you always had asshats who didnt vote an obvious HOFer like Ken Griffey JR or Tom Seaver or Nolan Ryan, and they never knew who. But when they were forced to attach their name to it, Mo got 100% (although some asshat in Boston was going to leave him off his vote and decided not to vote at all instead). Its quite pathetic. This is why we need names attached to the HOF votes so they vote with their head instead of their ass. www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hall_of_Fame_Voting_Percentages
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 22, 2020 6:34:09 GMT -5
He wasn't as good as Rivera.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 8:05:25 GMT -5
He wasn't as good as Rivera. How do you measure if a closer is as good as a shortstop?
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 22, 2020 8:09:00 GMT -5
He wasn't as good as Rivera. How do you measure if a closer is as good as a shortstop? Rivera was best at his position ever, Jeter wasn't. Jeter put up very good numbers at the plate, and he was an especially tough out for opposing teams ace. But his defense was lacking ....range was limited. Our most recent SS Didi was much better defensively. I agree it's kind of a bummer that he fell 1 short, but reality he should have been more like 5 or 6 short then the one wouldn't have felt so bad.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 8:18:07 GMT -5
How do you measure if a closer is as good as a shortstop? Rivera was best at his position ever, Jeter wasn't. Jeter put up very good numbers at the plate, and he was an especially tough out for opposing teams ace. But his defense was lacking ....range was limited. Our most recent SS Didi was much better defensively. I agree it's kind of a bummer that he fell 1 short, but reality he should have been more like 5 or 6 short then the one wouldn't have felt so bad. Thats fine, but Rivera was a failed starting pitcher. Rivera had his hick ups as well. He blew a few big games in his career. Both are all time greats. I have a hard time saying one is better than the other since they play different positions. When you look at the HOF lists top 20ish players by vote %, all of them should have had 100%. They are true lock HOFers and the fact someone didnt vote for them is embarrassing which is why I loved them having to attached their names to it. If the 2019 class with Mo had the shield of anonymity, he would not have gotten 100%. And if the 2020 class didnt, DJ would have had 100%. So I dont think its a good gauge to say who is better.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 22, 2020 9:15:03 GMT -5
Wow. I didn't know that. I'm a little surprised; I guess it has a lot to do with the class you're voted with or something? A lot of it has to do with the voters of the past thinking, if players like Babe Ruth wasn't voted in unanimously then no player should get in unanimously. Yeah, that part I don’t get but I understand what you mean. That’s silly. I doubt anyone would argue that Jeter is the best player ever, what’s the point of comparing him to players from other generations? Players should be rated only in their own peer group. If the group they’re voted with aren’t all that great, why shouldn’t a player be inducted unanimously?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 10:13:10 GMT -5
All caught up in the Derek Jeter HOF election, no one is talking about Larry Walkers PLANNED jacket when he received his call...
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 22, 2020 12:45:23 GMT -5
A lot of it has to do with the voters of the past thinking, if players like Babe Ruth wasn't voted in unanimously then no player should get in unanimously. Yeah, that part I don’t get but I understand what you mean. That’s silly. I doubt anyone would argue that Jeter is the best player ever, what’s the point of comparing him to players from other generations? Players should be rated only in their own peer group. If the group they’re voted with aren’t all that great, why shouldn’t a player be inducted unanimously? I would think it would be better not to rate players by their peer group. There may be some periods of time where some individual players perform much better than their peers, but not at the level which should garner consideration. This should be the chance for previously neglected superior players to get in - rather than a few that were just a bit better than the rest.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 14:04:31 GMT -5
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 22, 2020 14:48:03 GMT -5
How do you measure if a closer is as good as a shortstop? Rivera was best at his position ever, Jeter wasn't. Jeter put up very good numbers at the plate, and he was an especially tough out for opposing teams ace. But his defense was lacking ....range was limited. Our most recent SS Didi was much better defensively. I agree it's kind of a bummer that he fell 1 short, but reality he should have been more like 5 or 6 short then the one wouldn't have felt so bad. Jeter could arguably be revered as the best shortstop ever... Ripken & A-Rod spent time at 3rd base. Ernie Banks spent time at 1st base. Robin Yount spent time in the outfield. Ozzie & Omar didn't have the offensive numbers. Honus Wagner is the closest competition IMO, and he only had 101 home runs thanks to the Dead Ball Era. Jeter never switch positions. He played his entire career at shortstop, and let's not forget Jeter's career playoff stats that the others mentioned here can't hold a candle to. In my humble opinion, Derek Jeter is the best shortstop ever in the the history of MLB.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 22, 2020 16:12:45 GMT -5
Rivera was best at his position ever, Jeter wasn't. Jeter put up very good numbers at the plate, and he was an especially tough out for opposing teams ace. But his defense was lacking ....range was limited. Our most recent SS Didi was much better defensively. I agree it's kind of a bummer that he fell 1 short, but reality he should have been more like 5 or 6 short then the one wouldn't have felt so bad. Jeter could arguably be revered as the best shortstop ever... Ripken & A-Rod spent time at 3rd base. Ernie Banks spent time at 1st base. Robin Yount spent time in the outfield. Ozzie & Omar didn't have the offensive numbers. Honus Wagner is the closest competition IMO, and he only had 101 home runs thanks to the Dead Ball Era. Jeter never switch positions. He played his entire career at shortstop, and let's not forget Jeter's career playoff stats that the others mentioned here can't hold a candle to. In my humble opinion, Derek Jeter is the best shortstop ever in the the history of MLB. That’s a fair argument. As a Yankees fan and Jeter fan I always heard he’s not the best this and that. But like you said, break it all down and it’s very difficult to argue that he is not the best SS all time.
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 22, 2020 16:30:08 GMT -5
Rivera was best at his position ever, Jeter wasn't. Jeter put up very good numbers at the plate, and he was an especially tough out for opposing teams ace. But his defense was lacking ....range was limited. Our most recent SS Didi was much better defensively. I agree it's kind of a bummer that he fell 1 short, but reality he should have been more like 5 or 6 short then the one wouldn't have felt so bad. Jeter could arguably be revered as the best shortstop ever... Ripken & A-Rod spent time at 3rd base. Ernie Banks spent time at 1st base. Robin Yount spent time in the outfield. Ozzie & Omar didn't have the offensive numbers. Honus Wagner is the closest competition IMO, and he only had 101 home runs thanks to the Dead Ball Era. Jeter never switch positions. He played his entire career at shortstop, and let's not forget Jeter's career playoff stats that the others mentioned here can't hold a candle to. In my humble opinion, Derek Jeter is the best shortstop ever in the the history of MLB. IMO he should have been moved from SS to one of the other infield positions much earlier in his career. Arod for example was a better SS. Would have liked to have seen Jeter move to 3rd when he came here.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 22, 2020 19:37:02 GMT -5
Jeter could arguably be revered as the best shortstop ever... Ripken & A-Rod spent time at 3rd base. Ernie Banks spent time at 1st base. Robin Yount spent time in the outfield. Ozzie & Omar didn't have the offensive numbers. Honus Wagner is the closest competition IMO, and he only had 101 home runs thanks to the Dead Ball Era. Jeter never switch positions. He played his entire career at shortstop, and let's not forget Jeter's career playoff stats that the others mentioned here can't hold a candle to. In my humble opinion, Derek Jeter is the best shortstop ever in the the history of MLB. IMO he should have been moved from SS to one of the other infield positions much earlier in his career. Arod for example was a better SS. Would have liked to have seen Jeter move to 3rd when he came here. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but he wasn't moved from the SS position, and now you can't take that away from him. You can't say A-Rod was a better shortstop than Jeter because A-rod spent half his career at 3rd base and DH.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 22, 2020 19:37:59 GMT -5
Jeter could arguably be revered as the best shortstop ever... Ripken & A-Rod spent time at 3rd base. Ernie Banks spent time at 1st base. Robin Yount spent time in the outfield. Ozzie & Omar didn't have the offensive numbers. Honus Wagner is the closest competition IMO, and he only had 101 home runs thanks to the Dead Ball Era. Jeter never switch positions. He played his entire career at shortstop, and let's not forget Jeter's career playoff stats that the others mentioned here can't hold a candle to. In my humble opinion, Derek Jeter is the best shortstop ever in the the history of MLB. That’s a fair argument. As a Yankees fan and Jeter fan I always heard he’s not the best this and that. But like you said, break it all down and it’s very difficult to argue that he is not the best SS all time. emoji emoji
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 22, 2020 20:14:51 GMT -5
IMO he should have been moved from SS to one of the other infield positions much earlier in his career. Arod for example was a better SS. Would have liked to have seen Jeter move to 3rd when he came here. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but he wasn't moved from the SS position, and now you can't take that away from him. You can't say A-Rod was a better shortstop than Jeter because A-rod spent half his career at 3rd base and DH. My point is that it was a discretionary move....he didn't have to play there. I actually thought for a number of seasons it hurt the team keeping him at SS. Just like giants with Eli. But hey one is in the HoF and the other I certainly hope ends up there too.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 22, 2020 20:24:55 GMT -5
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but he wasn't moved from the SS position, and now you can't take that away from him. You can't say A-Rod was a better shortstop than Jeter because A-rod spent half his career at 3rd base and DH. My point is that it was a discretionary move....he didn't have to play there. I actually thought for a number of seasons it hurt the team keeping him at SS. Just like giants with Eli. But hey one is in the HoF and the other I certainly hope ends up there too. One could say that Ripken & A-Rod stuck around too long as well. Even with the position change.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 22, 2020 21:26:52 GMT -5
Did Bob Ryan or Dan Shaughnessy come out of the closet as the idiot who left Jeter off of their ballot yet?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 21:54:31 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 25, 2020 9:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 26, 2020 9:32:56 GMT -5
Two months from today....
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2020 10:28:48 GMT -5
Two months from today.... I've been waiting for this day since the Giants' season effectively ended before Hallowen.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 26, 2020 10:39:33 GMT -5
Two months from today.... I've been waiting for this day since the Giants' season effectively ended before Hallowen.
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 26, 2020 15:29:13 GMT -5
The team we see today won't be the team we see on opening day! Trades and pick ups are on the way. Hell, Frazier is still on the team!
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 26, 2020 22:38:25 GMT -5
Former coach of Aaron Judge dies in crash with Bryant Longtime Orange Coast College head baseball coach John Altobelli was a victim of the helicopter crash in Calabasas, Calif., that killed everyone aboard Sunday, including NBA legend Kobe Bryant and his 13-year-old daughter Gianna. Altobelli's wife Keri and his daughter Alyssa were also among the victims of the accident, a member of the family told CNN. The group was reportedly flying to the girls' travel basketball game. Altobelli, who also coached future MLB stars like Aaron Judge and Jeff McNeil in the Cape Cod League, was the longest-tenured baseball coach in Orange Coast College history. He led the Pirates to four California Community College Athletic Association championships, including in 2019, when he was named an American Baseball Coaches Association National Coach of the Year. During the 2019 season, he collected the 700th win of his coaching career. www.mlb.com/news/john-altobelli-dies-in-helicopter-crash
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 28, 2020 7:32:03 GMT -5
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