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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 4, 2019 22:52:52 GMT -5
Our team sucks. 2nd year into rebuild and it looks like we blew it on taking a RB last year when better quality QBs were abailable like Allen and Jackson. Jones is very green and he's not a sure thing to develop to a quality start allr all. Shurmur has no identity other than ripping a few brain farts at key times when the game is in reach in the 2ns half. Oline which is the one thing he was supposed to rebuild is more porous than than an old sap tree..All this before even mentioning our record which sucks with no hope in sight for a turnaround. Bottom line: with the problems this team has they need to focus on cleaning up their own act and not relish in the strugglea of other thinking someone that makes up for our own misery and dysfunction ..it does not.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 5, 2019 12:54:05 GMT -5
Our team sucks. 2nd year into rebuild and it looks like we blew it on taking a RB last year when better quality QBs were abailable like Allen and Jackson. Jones is very green and he's not a sure thing to develop to a quality start allr all. Shurmur has no identity other than ripping a few brain farts at key times when the game is in reach in the 2ns half. Oline which is the one thing he was supposed to rebuild is more porous than than an old sap tree..All this before even mentioning our record which sucks with no hope in sight for a turnaround. Bottom line: with the problems this team has they need to focus on cleaning up their own act and not relish in the strugglea of other thinking someone that makes up for our own misery and dysfunction ..it does not. Yes.....Absolutely! If only we had drafted Jackson or Allen. That would make being 2-7 feel so much better.
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Post by magilla on Nov 7, 2019 9:26:48 GMT -5
Our team sucks. 2nd year into rebuild and it looks like we blew it on taking a RB last year when better quality QBs were abailable like Allen and Jackson. Jones is very green and he's not a sure thing to develop to a quality start allr all. Shurmur has no identity other than ripping a few brain farts at key times when the game is in reach in the 2ns half. Oline which is the one thing he was supposed to rebuild is more porous than than an old sap tree..All this before even mentioning our record which sucks with no hope in sight for a turnaround. Bottom line: with the problems this team has they need to focus on cleaning up their own act and not relish in the strugglea of other thinking someone that makes up for our own misery and dysfunction ..it does not. I’m fine with drafting Saquon Barkley. Passing on talent like that just shouldn’t be an option; look at Carolina Panthers on passing up on Von Miller and drafting Cam Newton. The issue with drafting Saquon Barkley is that you have to utilize him properly and you need to put the pieces in place to run your O around him; much as Buffalo Bills did with a Thurman Thomas. It’s clear at this point that DG and PS aren’t able to do that and we’re seeing Saquon talents wasted on this team. I don’t think Daniel Jones is the answer at QB. So far he’s proven that the concerns about him coming out of college, average arm at best and unable to protect the football are spot on accurate. This issues have been with Daniel Jones for years and at the pro level, it seems they’re not going to get any better.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 7, 2019 9:36:13 GMT -5
Our team sucks. 2nd year into rebuild and it looks like we blew it on taking a RB last year when better quality QBs were abailable like Allen and Jackson. Jones is very green and he's not a sure thing to develop to a quality start allr all. Shurmur has no identity other than ripping a few brain farts at key times when the game is in reach in the 2ns half. Oline which is the one thing he was supposed to rebuild is more porous than than an old sap tree..All this before even mentioning our record which sucks with no hope in sight for a turnaround. Bottom line: with the problems this team has they need to focus on cleaning up their own act and not relish in the strugglea of other thinking someone that makes up for our own misery and dysfunction ..it does not. I’m fine with drafting Saquon Barkley. Passing on talent like that just shouldn’t be an option; look at Carolina Panthers on passing up on Von Miller and drafting Cam Newton. The issue with drafting Saquon Barkley is that you have to utilize him properly and you need to put the pieces in place to run your O around him; much as Buffalo Bills did with a Thurman Thomas. It’s clear at this point that DG and PS aren’t able to do that and we’re seeing Saquon talents wasted on this team. I don’t think Daniel Jones is the answer at QB. So far he’s proven that the concerns about him coming out of college, average arm at best and unable to protect the football are spot on accurate. This issues have been with Daniel Jones for years and at the pro level, it seems they’re not going to get any better. You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son
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Post by magilla on Nov 7, 2019 10:27:09 GMT -5
I’m fine with drafting Saquon Barkley. Passing on talent like that just shouldn’t be an option; look at Carolina Panthers on passing up on Von Miller and drafting Cam Newton. The issue with drafting Saquon Barkley is that you have to utilize him properly and you need to put the pieces in place to run your O around him; much as Buffalo Bills did with a Thurman Thomas. It’s clear at this point that DG and PS aren’t able to do that and we’re seeing Saquon talents wasted on this team. I don’t think Daniel Jones is the answer at QB. So far he’s proven that the concerns about him coming out of college, average arm at best and unable to protect the football are spot on accurate. This issues have been with Daniel Jones for years and at the pro level, it seems they’re not going to get any better. You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son I’m not your son and you’re not my mom; so save the e-thug internet tough guy routine for someone else.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 7, 2019 10:41:02 GMT -5
You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son I’m not your son and you’re not my mom; so save the e-thug internet tough guy routine for someone else. Sorry, got confused when your mom was calling me "Daddy" the other night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 11:20:14 GMT -5
You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son I’m not your son and you’re not my mom; so save the e-thug internet tough guy routine for someone else. rme
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Post by Speedman on Nov 7, 2019 11:46:24 GMT -5
I’m fine with drafting Saquon Barkley. Passing on talent like that just shouldn’t be an option; look at Carolina Panthers on passing up on Von Miller and drafting Cam Newton. The issue with drafting Saquon Barkley is that you have to utilize him properly and you need to put the pieces in place to run your O around him; much as Buffalo Bills did with a Thurman Thomas. It’s clear at this point that DG and PS aren’t able to do that and we’re seeing Saquon talents wasted on this team. I don’t think Daniel Jones is the answer at QB. So far he’s proven that the concerns about him coming out of college, average arm at best and unable to protect the football are spot on accurate. This issues have been with Daniel Jones for years and at the pro level, it seems they’re not going to get any better. You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son He still hasn’t proven to me that he can throw the ball on a line into tight windows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 11:52:15 GMT -5
You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son He still hasn’t proven to me that he can throw the ball on a line into tight windows. You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right?
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 7, 2019 12:06:53 GMT -5
He still hasn’t proven to me that he can throw the ball on a line into tight windows. You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right? There is zero validity to a claim of a weak arm or not being able to throw into tight windows. I mean his fricking nickname is Danny Dimes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 12:10:02 GMT -5
You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right? There is zero validity to a claim of a weak arm or not being able to throw into tight windows. I mean his fricking nickname is Danny Dimes? Terrible name, btw, but you are exactly correct. His arm is not the issue. Ball security is.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 7, 2019 13:05:38 GMT -5
He still hasn’t proven to me that he can throw the ball on a line into tight windows. You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right? I said in the preseason that if he could throw the ball on a line into tight windows that he would be the best QB to be drafted in the last 2 years. I am still not convinced that he has that ability yet.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 7, 2019 13:06:49 GMT -5
You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right? There is zero validity to a claim of a weak arm or not being able to throw into tight windows. I mean his fricking nickname is Danny Dimes? See my reply to fbomb.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 13:15:36 GMT -5
You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right? I said in the preseason that if he could throw the ball on a line into tight windows that he would be the best QB to be drafted in the last 2 years. I am still not convinced that he has that ability yet. And I would say you are 100% wrong. He has already proven he can multiple times a game. His issues are ball security, holding onto the ball too long and decision making under pressure. His am is no longer in question.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 7, 2019 13:21:14 GMT -5
I said in the preseason that if he could throw the ball on a line into tight windows that he would be the best QB to be drafted in the last 2 years. I am still not convinced that he has that ability yet. And I would say you are 100% wrong. He has already proven he can multiple times a game. His issues are ball security, holding onto the ball too long and decision making under pressure. His am is no longer in question. To me his arm is still in question. I would hope that he could cure the ball security issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 13:26:30 GMT -5
And I would say you are 100% wrong. He has already proven he can multiple times a game. His issues are ball security, holding onto the ball too long and decision making under pressure. His am is no longer in question. To me his arm is still in question. I would hope that he could cure the ball security issues. But, what are you basing that on? What else does he have to do to prove he can make those throws, other than actually making them?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2019 13:53:27 GMT -5
I would question the accuracy more than the arm strength.
Daniel's weak arm strength was a myth like Dwayne Haskins not being mobile. Sure they aren't Jay Cutler or Mike Vick, but they aren't Chad Pennington or Eli Manning respectively either.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2019 14:38:08 GMT -5
I’m fine with drafting Saquon Barkley. Passing on talent like that just shouldn’t be an option; look at Carolina Panthers on passing up on Von Miller and drafting Cam Newton. The issue with drafting Saquon Barkley is that you have to utilize him properly and you need to put the pieces in place to run your O around him; much as Buffalo Bills did with a Thurman Thomas. It’s clear at this point that DG and PS aren’t able to do that and we’re seeing Saquon talents wasted on this team. I don’t think Daniel Jones is the answer at QB. So far he’s proven that the concerns about him coming out of college, average arm at best and unable to protect the football are spot on accurate. This issues have been with Daniel Jones for years and at the pro level, it seems they’re not going to get any better. You could not be more wrong about the "average arm at best" claim (not surprising from you though). You're probably looking at pre-draft scouting reports that were put out by a Mom's basement scout, which were debunked the minute anyone saw Jones throw live. You have to do better than that son 100% agree
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2019 14:39:38 GMT -5
He still hasn’t proven to me that he can throw the ball on a line into tight windows. You mean, except for all the times he's had to do it because none of his receivers can get separation, right? Wow... Pretty much 75% of his completions have been of this variety to recievers that can't get seperation..... But...uh....yeah .
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 7, 2019 15:41:48 GMT -5
I said in the preseason that if he could throw the ball on a line into tight windows that he would be the best QB to be drafted in the last 2 years. I am still not convinced that he has that ability yet. And I would say you are 100% wrong. He has already proven he can multiple times a game. His issues are ball security, holding onto the ball too long and decision making under pressure. His am is no longer in question. I agree with you on this one Fbomb.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 7, 2019 21:01:36 GMT -5
To me his arm is still in question. I would hope that he could cure the ball security issues. But, what are you basing that on? What else does he have to do to prove he can make those throws, other than actually making them? I see those types of passes being broken up by the DB’s.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 7, 2019 21:11:08 GMT -5
You mean these throws............... ......accuracy and desission making maybe but not arm strength. He has nice touch passes but when he has to drill it I’m not convinced.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 8, 2019 5:35:08 GMT -5
Gettleman looks like crap. His team is 2-5 about to go 2-6 in his 2nd season as GM. His hand picked HC is a dud, and all his personal moves together obviosultly have not panned out. We couldn't be any worse. Our entire team less Eli, Ellison, Shepard, DeOssie Thomlinson, JJ and Engram has been on the team 2 years or less. We have an entire Defense that has only 4 starters from last season. 3 out of 5 on the O-line are new. And a rookie QB . Now if you can not see that. Than continue posting stuff like this and keep looking less knologable about football than you are. TEM Gettleman’s finger prints are all over this roster he gutted the team and added all “his guys” I think if we are using the eye test this team looks no better than a 4-12 type team. Next season if we are not greatly improved and it’s looking like another lost year we need to dump Gettleman and Shurmur Immediately. Gettleman can’t keep using excuses as to why the team stinks it’s the players that he picked and nobody else.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 8, 2019 11:29:13 GMT -5
I see those types of passes being broken up by the DB’s. We can all pick on things from every QB and Danial Jones has his issues I fully agree but once again it's not his arm. I still have concerns about his ability to throw the ball on a line with velocity and accuracy. Other than that I am ok with the mistakes that he makes as a rookie as long as he starts cleaning them up.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 14, 2019 20:30:52 GMT -5
First 2 passes go to Odell...
Force it to him Baker
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Post by Parsley on Dec 15, 2019 19:05:18 GMT -5
Another L for Mayfield and Co.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 16, 2019 17:27:54 GMT -5
NFL Media's Mike Silver reported that wide receiver Jarvis Landry and other Browns players were yelling at the Arizona sideline to "come get me," which is a phrase that wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. had reportedly uttered to other teams in pregame warmups earlier in the season. Landry was also caught in a verbal spat with first-year coach Freddie Kitchens on CBS cameras during Sunday's game. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jarvis-landry-reportedly-among-multiple-browns-players-who-yelled-come-get-me-to-cardinals/Yes, as I have been saying and many disputed it, Odell is a cancerous player. He is spreading his antics to his teammates.
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Post by TEM on Dec 16, 2019 17:31:09 GMT -5
NFL Media's Mike Silver reported that wide receiver Jarvis Landry and other Browns players were yelling at the Arizona sideline to "come get me," which is a phrase that wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. had reportedly uttered to other teams in pregame warmups earlier in the season. Landry was also caught in a verbal spat with first-year coach Freddie Kitchens on CBS cameras during Sunday's game. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jarvis-landry-reportedly-among-multiple-browns-players-who-yelled-come-get-me-to-cardinals/Yes, as I have been saying and many disputed it, Odell is a cancerous player. He is spreading his antics to his teammates. There was no way with the personalities on that team . The Browns were going to gel . Everyone seen it except the off season Super bowl touting Talking Heads
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