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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 22:55:10 GMT -5
You've been outed troll. Nobody is buying the act. Move along. Save your obnoxious banter for someone else and don’t address me like that again. Go away child.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:01:33 GMT -5
I’ve already told you to go bother someone else because I’m not gonna tolerate it. lol...........I think I've figured out who you are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:07:05 GMT -5
lol...........I think I've figured out who you are. I guess you just don’t leave people alone. Do you exist to be a troll because that’s what it seems you’re good at. I would out you, but I'm not sure that's a good idea. You got banned before (which I was against btw) and the mods may ban you again just on the name alone. Am I close?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:14:59 GMT -5
I would out you, but I'm not sure that's a good idea. You got banned before (which I was against btw) and the mods may ban you again just on the name alone. Am I close? What the heck is your problem? You’re not allowed to harass people. lol......no doubt in my mind who you are now.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 23:18:06 GMT -5
lol...........I think I've figured out who you are. I guess you just don’t leave people alone. Do you exist to be a troll because that’s what it seems you’re good at. So says the person signed up less than 2 days ago with an obvious sock puppet/troll acount. Pot meet kettle much?
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 12, 2019 23:20:10 GMT -5
8 games,................STHU. Jones hasn’t shown any improvement. The turnovers are insane. If this season continues the way it has so far, we will have a great draft pick and if Lawrence and if Lawrence out of Clemson is available and Tua isn’t, we grab Lawrence. If Tua is available we grab him. If by some weird manipulation, Bellichek tricks a team to trade them their high pick and one of those QB is available he would grab him. Even with the turnovers, there is no comparison between Mannings first year and Jones'. Yeah Manning improved, but that didn't start until his second year. His first year was brutal. QBs take time to develop; I trust the Giants are committed to Jones and are going to do everything they can to allow him to develop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:21:57 GMT -5
Jones hasn’t shown any improvement. The turnovers are insane. If this season continues the way it has so far, we will have a great draft pick and if Lawrence and if Lawrence out of Clemson is available and Tua isn’t, we grab Lawrence. If Tua is available we grab him. If by some weird manipulation, Bellichek tricks a team to trade them their high pick and one of those QB is available he would grab him. Even with the turnovers, there is no comparison between Mannings first year and Jones'. Yeah Manning improved, but that didn't start until his second year. His first year was brutal. QBs take time to develop; I trust the Giants are committed to Jones and are going to do everything they can to allow him to develop. Do you really think Giants pass on Tua if he’s available?
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 23:25:45 GMT -5
FBomb - Do you think Shurmur is gone at the end of the year? I think he could be if we only win 3 or 4 games. 5 or more, he could have a chance. I don’t see Betcher surviving unless the D does a 180 for the last 6 games. I think Gettleman stays. I think they ALL get 2020 to show a huge improvement. As my signature states, we are less than 1 full year into our rebuild. I know some people like to claim it's year 2 to help spin the narrative that it's NOT too early to fire people. It is. The rebuild technically started when Jones started. You can't really be rebuilding and still playing your aged QB. But for arguments sake, I will allow them to claim that it started with they traded OBJ. That's as far back as I am willing to go. The NY Giants organization is not the knee jerk, fire everybody fan base. They know what it takes to rebuild a team. They know how long it takes and they know how impatient fans are. It's why they didn't want to pull the trigger on it last year. They wanted to try and compete with Eli, but it just prolonged the inevitable. They will be given their time to right the ship. They have tons of cap space for the off season, a high draft pick to bargain with and a load of other picks in the draft. If there isn't significant improvement by the end of 2020, then all bets are off. I know fans don't want to hear it. I get it. We re ALL sick of losing. But this is how it will go down. I actually go back to when we traded Apple and Harrison mid 2018,but to me the full "break it completely down" start was the Odell trade This year has always been to me a complete mulligan I expected 5-11/6-10 with all these rookies having their growing pains together and not having the firepower on offense to keep up with said defense having growing pains not having replaced Beckham Sadly I overestimated a bit I did some number crunching Projecting Joned 8 games for a full season. 3500 yards,63% completion %,30 tds and 16 ints (with about 13 fumbles lost ) Minus the fumbles that is an outstanding rookie year no matter how you slice it. And sup par weapons,no running game and a bad O line? Upgrade the line and get him one more legit dynamic playmaker and we have a legit top qb sooner rather than later if he can figure out the fumble situation
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 12, 2019 23:27:37 GMT -5
Liquid tension and dannydimes8 said the same thing . If Giants keep playing the way they have been there will be a good chance they will have a good enough draft pick to draft Tua and they will consider it if that becomes the case. I don't agree. I think they might do that if they weren't reasonably certain that Jones is the guy to build around. I do think they believe Jones is the guy and therefore they won't. They will probably just continue to build out the weak areas of the roster. If things don't turn next year, I think Shurmur is in danger, but not Jones and not Gettleman.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 12, 2019 23:29:01 GMT -5
Even with the turnovers, there is no comparison between Mannings first year and Jones'. Yeah Manning improved, but that didn't start until his second year. His first year was brutal. QBs take time to develop; I trust the Giants are committed to Jones and are going to do everything they can to allow him to develop. Do you really think Giants pass on Tua if he’s available? Yes; I do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:29:30 GMT -5
I think they ALL get 2020 to show a huge improvement. As my signature states, we are less than 1 full year into our rebuild. I know some people like to claim it's year 2 to help spin the narrative that it's NOT too early to fire people. It is. The rebuild technically started when Jones started. You can't really be rebuilding and still playing your aged QB. But for arguments sake, I will allow them to claim that it started with they traded OBJ. That's as far back as I am willing to go. The NY Giants organization is not the knee jerk, fire everybody fan base. They know what it takes to rebuild a team. They know how long it takes and they know how impatient fans are. It's why they didn't want to pull the trigger on it last year. They wanted to try and compete with Eli, but it just prolonged the inevitable. They will be given their time to right the ship. They have tons of cap space for the off season, a high draft pick to bargain with and a load of other picks in the draft. If there isn't significant improvement by the end of 2020, then all bets are off. I know fans don't want to hear it. I get it. We re ALL sick of losing. But this is how it will go down. I actually go back to when we traded Apple and Harrison mid 2018,but to me the full "break it completely down" start was the Odell trade This year has always been to me a complete mulligan I expected 5-11/6-10 with all these rookies having their growing pains together and not having the firepower on offense to keep up with said defense having growing pains not having replaced Beckham Sadly I overestimated a bit I did some number crunching Projecting Joned 8 games for a full season. 3500 yards,63% completion %,30 tds and 16 ints (with about 13 fumbles lost ) Minus the fumbles that is an outstanding rookie year no matter how you slice it. And sup par weapons,no running game and a bad O line? Upgrade the line and get him one more legit dynamic playmaker and we have a legit top qb sooner rather than later if he can figure out the fumble situation I said that 6 was going to be the ceiling for this year. No way we make that now.
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Post by southerner on Nov 13, 2019 4:17:20 GMT -5
I actually go back to when we traded Apple and Harrison mid 2018,but to me the full "break it completely down" start was the Odell trade This year has always been to me a complete mulligan I expected 5-11/6-10 with all these rookies having their growing pains together and not having the firepower on offense to keep up with said defense having growing pains not having replaced Beckham Sadly I overestimated a bit I did some number crunching Projecting Joned 8 games for a full season. 3500 yards,63% completion %,30 tds and 16 ints (with about 13 fumbles lost ) Minus the fumbles that is an outstanding rookie year no matter how you slice it. And sup par weapons,no running game and a bad O line? Upgrade the line and get him one more legit dynamic playmaker and we have a legit top qb sooner rather than later if he can figure out the fumble situation I said that 6 was going to be the ceiling for this year. No way we make that now. It’s not just the losing that makes this Giant team so bad. It’s the fact there is zero improvement over last season or from week to week. The defense shows no life and continues to look pitiful regardless who the Giants play. One can see some improvement from week to week in the Dolphins and the Jets.....even the Redskins are showing improvement, while the Giants are actually getting worse.....that is ALL coaching and it must and will be replaced after this season. Shurmur and Bettcher make the Ray Handley tenure look like the Golden era of Giant football.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 13, 2019 5:19:09 GMT -5
FBomb - Do you think Shurmur is gone at the end of the year? I think he could be if we only win 3 or 4 games. 5 or more, he could have a chance. I don’t see Betcher surviving unless the D does a 180 for the last 6 games. I think Gettleman stays. I think they ALL get 2020 to show a huge improvement. As my signature states, we are less than 1 full year into our rebuild. I know some people like to claim it's year 2 to help spin the narrative that it's NOT too early to fire people. It is. The rebuild technically started when Jones started. You can't really be rebuilding and still playing your aged QB. But for arguments sake, I will allow them to claim that it started with they traded OBJ. That's as far back as I am willing to go. The NY Giants organization is not the knee jerk, fire everybody fan base. They know what it takes to rebuild a team. They know how long it takes and they know how impatient fans are. It's why they didn't want to pull the trigger on it last year. They wanted to try and compete with Eli, but it just prolonged the inevitable. They will be given their time to right the ship. They have tons of cap space for the off season, a high draft pick to bargain with and a load of other picks in the draft. If there isn't significant improvement by the end of 2020, then all bets are off. I know fans don't want to hear it. I get it. We re ALL sick of losing. But this is how it will go down. You are a patient man I agree with you on being patient with the rebuild, BUT I think that changes with the coach as soon as you realize that this is not the guy that can lead you to the promised land once the roster is improved...and barring a miraculous turnaround over these last 6 games, I have reached the conclusion that Shurmur is not that guy. Canning the coach during a rebuild is not ideal, but if the next guy you hire is the right guy, it doesn’t matter. Just can’t imagine ever looking back and saying “Man, we really should have kept Shurmur.” Here’s a question: If we fired Shurmur, will he ever get another HC job in this league? If not, why is it so important that we keep him?
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Post by southerner on Nov 13, 2019 6:43:36 GMT -5
Stupid move if they do pass on Tua. The Giants would not want Tua anyway.....now the kid from LSU would make the Giants think. Tua will not be the first QB taken....he might be the 3rd or 4th. Under pressure he folds like a card table.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 13, 2019 6:49:52 GMT -5
Stupid move if they do pass on Tua. More idiocy. If Chase Young is gone, I hope that Tua is there for us. That will enable us to trade out of the pick and accumulate more draft capital.
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Post by southerner on Nov 13, 2019 6:53:08 GMT -5
Stupid move if they do pass on Tua. More idiocy. If Chase Young is gone, I hope that Tua is there for us. That will enable us to trade out of the pick and accumulate more draft capital. He would be and I agree the Giants would not want Tua and I am not sure what team would want Tua at that point, but some team would want one of the other QBs so the Giants could easilytrade the pick for some very good draft capital.
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Post by TEM on Nov 13, 2019 8:02:08 GMT -5
Stupid move if they do pass on Tua. More idiocy. If Chase Young is gone, I hope that Tua is there for us. That will enable us to trade out of the pick and accumulate more draft capital. You are going to get your self banned, if you keep giving the troll what he wants. I use the troll because they are all the same poster. The narrative, passive aggressive content, and writing styles are all the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:04:31 GMT -5
More idiocy. If Chase Young is gone, I hope that Tua is there for us. That will enable us to trade out of the pick and accumulate more draft capital. Apparently you’re looking in the mirror if you’re talking about idiocy. oooooohhhhhh.....burn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:13:41 GMT -5
I think they ALL get 2020 to show a huge improvement. As my signature states, we are less than 1 full year into our rebuild. I know some people like to claim it's year 2 to help spin the narrative that it's NOT too early to fire people. It is. The rebuild technically started when Jones started. You can't really be rebuilding and still playing your aged QB. But for arguments sake, I will allow them to claim that it started with they traded OBJ. That's as far back as I am willing to go. The NY Giants organization is not the knee jerk, fire everybody fan base. They know what it takes to rebuild a team. They know how long it takes and they know how impatient fans are. It's why they didn't want to pull the trigger on it last year. They wanted to try and compete with Eli, but it just prolonged the inevitable. They will be given their time to right the ship. They have tons of cap space for the off season, a high draft pick to bargain with and a load of other picks in the draft. If there isn't significant improvement by the end of 2020, then all bets are off. I know fans don't want to hear it. I get it. We re ALL sick of losing. But this is how it will go down. You are a patient man I agree with you on being patient with the rebuild, BUT I think that changes with the coach as soon as you realize that this is not the guy that can lead you to the promised land once the roster is improved...and barring a miraculous turnaround over these last 6 games, I have reached the conclusion that Shurmur is not that guy. Canning the coach during a rebuild is not ideal, but if the next guy you hire is the right guy, it doesn’t matter. Just can’t imagine ever looking back and saying “Man, we really should have kept Shurmur.” Here’s a question: If we fired Shurmur, will he ever get another HC job in this league? If not, why is it so important that we keep him? I don't know if Shurmur is the right guy or not. And neither does anyone else. We're losing and everyone is angry and ready to sink the ship.......again. If Shurmur was to be fired after the season (which I don't believe will happen), who would be the replacement? Being Giants fans for as long as we have, ask yourself this question. What does the history of the Giants tell you will happen? Forget how YOU feel about him and look at it from the perspective of the organization that DOESN'T change head coaches like their underwear. Barring any cataclysmic meltdown, he will get 2020. They all will.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:16:52 GMT -5
Meanwhile, I've got this "new " troll sending ME constant private messages telling me to stop harassing him. So, my guesses for our new troll friend is it's either Harooni playing the part of a 12 year old, or it is an actual 12 year old.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 13, 2019 8:20:29 GMT -5
You are a patient man I agree with you on being patient with the rebuild, BUT I think that changes with the coach as soon as you realize that this is not the guy that can lead you to the promised land once the roster is improved...and barring a miraculous turnaround over these last 6 games, I have reached the conclusion that Shurmur is not that guy. Canning the coach during a rebuild is not ideal, but if the next guy you hire is the right guy, it doesn’t matter. Just can’t imagine ever looking back and saying “Man, we really should have kept Shurmur.” Here’s a question: If we fired Shurmur, will he ever get another HC job in this league? If not, why is it so important that we keep him? I don't know if Shurmur is the right guy or not. And neither does anyone else. We're losing and everyone is angry and ready to sink the ship.......again. If Shurmur was to be fired after the season (which I don't believe will happen), who would be the replacement? Being Giants fans for as long as we have, ask yourself this question. What does the history of the Giants tell you will happen? Forget how YOU feel about him and look at it from the perspective of the organization that DOESN'T change head coaches like their underwear. Barring any cataclysmic meltdown, he will get 2020. They all will. Matt Rhule is by dude!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:22:23 GMT -5
I don't know if Shurmur is the right guy or not. And neither does anyone else. We're losing and everyone is angry and ready to sink the ship.......again. If Shurmur was to be fired after the season (which I don't believe will happen), who would be the replacement? Being Giants fans for as long as we have, ask yourself this question. What does the history of the Giants tell you will happen? Forget how YOU feel about him and look at it from the perspective of the organization that DOESN'T change head coaches like their underwear. Barring any cataclysmic meltdown, he will get 2020. They all will. Matt Rhule is by dude! A college HC? That's pretty risky in the middle of a rebuild.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 8:28:25 GMT -5
A college HC? That's pretty risky in the middle of a rebuild. Agreed. The only guy I would even think about is Jay Gruden Same offense Allegedly was pushing for Jones Actually took that trainwreck of a team to a division championship once.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:34:09 GMT -5
So do I but you could get some major capitol for that pick. Yeah.....unless there is a game changing LB or edge rusher when we pick, we should trade down.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 13, 2019 8:35:19 GMT -5
A college HC? That's pretty risky in the middle of a rebuild. Proven winner who has actually rebuilt 2 college programs (Baylor was more of a mess than the Giants) and has a Giants connection (was an OL coach back when our OL was good). Suppose we lose out ...you still think he’s back?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:37:26 GMT -5
A college HC? That's pretty risky in the middle of a rebuild. Proven winner who has actually rebuilt 2 college programs (Baylor was more of a mess than the Giants) and has a Giants connection (was an OL coach back when our OL was good). Suppose we lose out ...you still think he’s back? I expect we WILL lose out. so, yes. It will take something major to change course.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 8:41:44 GMT -5
LOL,................don't you need to go investigate the moon landings or something Don’t you have to go to work and flip some burgers? She has a point, Red. Those burgers aren't going to flip themselves.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 8:51:16 GMT -5
Don’t you have to go to work and flip some burgers? She has a point, Red. Those burgers aren't going to flip themselves. Yep Someone has to pay for his government assistance
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 13, 2019 8:55:38 GMT -5
I said that 6 was going to be the ceiling for this year. No way we make that now. It’s not just the losing that makes this Giant team so bad. It’s the fact there is zero improvement over last season or from week to week. The defense shows no life and continues to look pitiful regardless who the Giants play. One can see some improvement from week to week in the Dolphins and the Jets.....even the Redskins are showing improvement, while the Giants are actually getting worse.....that is ALL coaching and it must and will be replaced after this season. Shurmur and Bettcher make the Ray Handley tenure look like the Golden era of Giant football. Exactly. I knew this D especially was going to take some time, and posted that opinion several times during pre-season. The frustration is that nothing is improving. 10 games in we look just as bad as game 1.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:03:25 GMT -5
It’s not just the losing that makes this Giant team so bad. It’s the fact there is zero improvement over last season or from week to week. The defense shows no life and continues to look pitiful regardless who the Giants play. One can see some improvement from week to week in the Dolphins and the Jets.....even the Redskins are showing improvement, while the Giants are actually getting worse.....that is ALL coaching and it must and will be replaced after this season. Shurmur and Bettcher make the Ray Handley tenure look like the Golden era of Giant football. Exactly. I knew this D especially was going to take some time, and posted that opinion several times during pre-season. The frustration is that nothing is improving. 10 games in we look just as bad as game 1. The historic low point will be when they lose to the Dolphins who put up a 30+ on them.
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