wtfjjk
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Post by wtfjjk on Nov 12, 2019 13:43:00 GMT -5
I remember he was one of the first candidates we interviewed and then he was dropped from contention almost immediately. I wonder what went wrong. He was probably the best candidate now that I think about it. BIll Belichick agrees.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 13:51:37 GMT -5
Why hasn't he gotten another HC job then?
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Post by u2good on Nov 12, 2019 13:56:34 GMT -5
Why hasn't he gotten another HC job then? Who says he won't? I mean, how many teams has Wade Phillips been with?
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 14:19:15 GMT -5
He was 29-51 with the Lions. So basically we’re rehiring Pat Shurmur.
I’ll take him as a defensive coordinator though.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 12, 2019 14:34:09 GMT -5
If Shurmur is gone after the season, the real question is if the Giants will want to look for someone with some credibility or go with the trend of hiring young assistants. The second choice would be as tough sell after what we've been through. Jim Schwartz would be an even tougher sell.
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Post by lt56 on Nov 12, 2019 14:38:46 GMT -5
Are we just going to change Coaches every 1-2 years now?
Upgrade the talent first then see what he does. He doesn't have the talent right not to win anything, especially along that Offensive Line.
Gettleman, Shurmur and even Bettcher just needs more talent and TIME. Once they have the talent in place and no improvement then you make a change! Changes again after 2 years is beyond Ridiculous IMO
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 14:59:11 GMT -5
If Shurmur is gone after the season, the real question is if the Giants will want to look for someone with some credibility or go with the trend of hiring young assistants. The second choice would be as tough sell after what we've been through. Jim Schwartz would be an even tougher sell. And finding the right guy to continue the development of Jones,as Jones is the priority right now
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 15:00:01 GMT -5
Are we just going to change Coaches every 1-2 years now? Upgrade the talent first then see what he does. He doesn't have the talent right not to win anything, especially along that Offensive Line. Gettleman, Shurmur and even Bettcher just needs more talent and TIME. Once they have the talent in place and no improvement then you make a change! Changes again after 2 years is beyond Ridiculous IMO Agreed And be prepared to be mocked and attack for having a sense of logic and sound reasoning around here while certain mods sit back and watch
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Post by giantsforce on Nov 12, 2019 15:07:11 GMT -5
If Shurmur is gone after the season, the real question is if the Giants will want to look for someone with some credibility or go with the trend of hiring young assistants. The second choice would be as tough sell after what we've been through. Jim Schwartz would be an even tougher sell. And finding the right guy to continue the development of Jones,as Jones is the priority right now Yeap, because Shurmur is orchestrating a tremendous development of Jones especially on ball security!
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 15:14:31 GMT -5
Flatulence in the form of a hot take is especially toxic
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 12, 2019 15:16:19 GMT -5
Why hasn't he gotten another HC job then? Great DC...Not a head coach.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 15:17:00 GMT -5
Why hasn't he gotten another HC job then? Great DC...Not a head coach. This
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Post by SG88 on Nov 12, 2019 15:20:06 GMT -5
He is DC material.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 12, 2019 15:20:47 GMT -5
Upgrade the talent first then see what he does. He doesn't have the talent right not to win anything, especially along that Offensive Line. Gettleman, Shurmur and even Bettcher just needs more talent and TIME. Once they have the talent in place and no improvement then you make a change! Changes again after 2 years is beyond Ridiculous IMO Player development doesn't explain away terrible in-game decision making, which is just as big an issue as anything else related to these losses. Pat Shurmur is 2-8 this season, by your rationale no head coach should ever be fired. There's a reason why coaches with .333 winning percentages don't get a third year. You want to see the Giants become like the Browns? Be the franchise to bring back a HC with a .333 winning percentage for a third season.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 15:36:19 GMT -5
Why hasn't he gotten another HC job then? Great DC...Not a head coach. I think that we are all now familiar with guys that are good coordinators, but not good head coaches.
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Post by Helmet on Nov 12, 2019 15:42:51 GMT -5
Are we just going to change Coaches every 1-2 years now? Upgrade the talent first then see what he does. He doesn't have the talent right not to win anything, especially along that Offensive Line. Gettleman, Shurmur and even Bettcher just needs more talent and TIME. Once they have the talent in place and no improvement then you make a change! Changes again after 2 years is beyond Ridiculous IMO Well if we keep hiring bad coaches, yes, we'll keep making changes. If you recognize you made a massive mistake, why stick with it? Shurmur has shown NOTHING so far and has a much worse record than McAdoo had when he was fired. What's keeping his job is his that the locker room still has his back. If he shows nothing the second half of the season and the Giants go winless, he'll probably be gone. Get ready for it. Some good coach has to be able to take the team out of the gutter. There's NFL-caliber talent across the roster. Not enough to be in the playoffs, but enough to do better than 2-14.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 12, 2019 15:46:03 GMT -5
Two threads on Harbrough and Schwartz.....two guys who hate each other.
Go figure
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Post by Martin on Nov 12, 2019 16:51:04 GMT -5
D coordinator thats it. nothing more. If our DC can't put it together than sure he would be a good candiate.
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 12, 2019 17:04:39 GMT -5
Two threads on Harbrough and Schwartz.....two guys who hate each other. Go figure Remember , that vividly. McVay for the last two years was the type coach everyone was looking to hire. Today , he is third in his division. Rams, paying large sums to Donald, Gottt, Gurley and others. Schawartz, would definitely give the Giants an identity. Rough and tuff. Ours defense would be much improve. Just hire a young coordinator for offense.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 12, 2019 17:09:06 GMT -5
Jm Schwartz would be another Pat Schurmer type of HC but I agree he would make a good DC..
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Post by leonperry on Nov 12, 2019 17:20:33 GMT -5
Upgrade the talent first then see what he does. He doesn't have the talent right not to win anything, especially along that Offensive Line. Gettleman, Shurmur and even Bettcher just needs more talent and TIME. Once they have the talent in place and no improvement then you make a change! Changes again after 2 years is beyond Ridiculous IMO Player development doesn't explain away terrible in-game decision making, which is just as big an issue as anything else related to these losses. Pat Shurmur is 2-8 this season, by your rationale no head coach should ever be fired. There's a reason why coaches with .333 winning percentages don't get a third year. You want to see the Giants become like the Browns? Be the franchise to bring back a HC with a .333 winning percentage for a third season. 17-42= .288 winning percentage, actually holy f**k just writing that out seems.... even worse somehow
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 17:23:07 GMT -5
Two threads on Harbrough and Schwartz.....two guys who hate each other. Go figure Remember , that vividly. McVay for the last two years was the type coach everyone was looking to hire. Today , he is third in his division. Rams, paying large sums to Donald, Gottt, Gurley and others. Schawartz, would definitely give the Giants an identity. Rough and tuff. Ours defense would be much improve. Just hire a young coordinator for offense. And have to yet again rebuild the d line back to a 4/3 after trading for a 3/4 DE and drafting another at 17 Amongst other things Pass
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Post by TEM on Nov 12, 2019 20:30:03 GMT -5
Why hasn't he gotten another HC job then? Who says he won't? I mean, how many teams has Wade Phillips been with? Enough for Owners, GMs and HCs to see all he will ever be is a DC
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 12, 2019 21:18:56 GMT -5
Who says he won't? I mean, how many teams has Wade Phillips been with? Enough for Owners, GMs and HCs to see all he will ever be is a DC Yeah. A really good DC. Many coordinators are not cut out for a HC job.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 7, 2019 7:14:25 GMT -5
And finding the right guy to continue the development of Jones,as Jones is the priority right now Chuck Pagano..........? Let me be clear Shurmur is staying but if you'r doing what if's ,I like him. Hmmmm
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 7, 2019 8:15:57 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmm....still not guarantee. Stop it ... you’re making a fool of yourself
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 7, 2019 8:43:26 GMT -5
Stop it ... you’re making a fool of yourself No , only of you. I stated an opinion ......you still haven't found one post I guaranteed a damn thing. “Let me be clear, Shurmur is staying”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 9:41:32 GMT -5
Are we just going to change Coaches every 1-2 years now? Upgrade the talent first then see what he does. He doesn't have the talent right not to win anything, especially along that Offensive Line. Gettleman, Shurmur and even Bettcher just needs more talent and TIME. Once they have the talent in place and no improvement then you make a change! Changes again after 2 years is beyond Ridiculous IMO THIS The impatience of fans is both entertaining, and frustrating. If anybody needs the firing, it's the GM...and that's if his rebuild does not work...and I have my doubts with DG as well. But, he is doing a complete rebuild, from defense, OL... to a new QB , and should be offered the time to get some of his vision at the least, headed in the right direction. That includes his HC, and the HC's hired people. Doing any changes now would be harmful for the rebuild...although I do wonder why we run a zone blacking scheme, and yet draft and acquire power blocking and then draft a zone east west running back at pick 2...and why hire a zone DC, when we draft press corners? DT's on a 3-4...not having the linebackers for that system...It seems, we sort of don't have a plan...or direction. All involved deserve one more year to show some team improvement.... Another year like this, we fire the entire lot...and let the new GM draft Trevor Lawrence and start the process over again.
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