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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 24, 2019 8:00:12 GMT -5
Wow watching him play, this dude can't be blocked one on one, at least at the college level. If it means we lose every damn game left to have a shot at him, then I hope it happens. It kills me to say that, but he is a guy who can help to transform a defense like Bosa has done in SF.
He is what this defense is devoid of- a true playmaker and game changer.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 24, 2019 8:07:03 GMT -5
I'm afraid we will have to lose out to do that. With the skins in front of us right now, I think it would be our only shot, short of trading up to jump them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 8:21:22 GMT -5
I'm afraid we will have to lose out to do that. With the skins in front of us right now, I think it would be our only shot, short of trading up to jump them. I thought the same last year but then Allen dropped to them. I think that having the 2nd pick would be ideal and I do think the Redskins would take him a head of the Giants so a loss to them would help. |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 8:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 24, 2019 9:04:41 GMT -5
Not even in the same stratosphere as Young |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 9:21:07 GMT -5
Not even in the same stratosphere as Young I dissagree. It is tougher to play in a program and excel that does not have all the bells a whistles a top 30 program has. There is a reason for the high rate of failure (58%) in the 1st round of the NFL draft. IMO: is because the NFL drafts 70% of the first round out of top 30 schools . and 30% out of the remaining 124. Those top programs are so loaded with talent. My theory is those top 30 schools are so much better in talent level per -team than the rest of the NCAA . Because of this uneven level of team talent. The( stud) players in those programs look to be better than the are. When they get into the NFL ( the best of the best) . Now the playing field is equalized and the actual talent level or lack of is exposed. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 24, 2019 9:27:27 GMT -5
He is certainly a really good player, but I don't know if he's in Youngs caliber. Sure he has good players around him, but he is flat out beating guys one on one, dude has like 7-8 sacks in the last two games. What I real like about him is that he makes plays in the big moments...like Strahan used to in his prime. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 24, 2019 9:35:46 GMT -5
Not even in the same stratosphere as Young I dissagree. It is tougher to play in a program and excel that does not have all the bells a whistles a top 30 program has. There is a reason for the high rate of failure (58%) in the 1st round of the NFL draft. IMO: is because the NFL drafts 70% of the first round out of top 30 schools . and 30% out of the remaining 124. Those top programs are so loaded with talent. My theory is those top 30 schools are so much better in talent level per -team than the rest of the NCAA . Because of this uneven level of team talent. The( stud) players in those programs look to be better than the are. When they get into the NFL ( the best of the best) . Now the playing field is equalized and the actual talent level or lack of is exposed. You make good points, but you also have to consider the level of talent on the teams these players face every week... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 24, 2019 9:39:52 GMT -5
lol This is like comparing Nick Bosa to Ximines last year. Bosa was on a stacked Ohio St team and Ximines was all by himself. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 24, 2019 9:59:27 GMT -5
Amazing isn't it that we've used 2 high picks on the DL recently and STILL haven't fixed the problem.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2019 10:04:27 GMT -5
I got to go watch the game that I recorded and then I will come back and read LOL
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2019 10:09:22 GMT -5
Amazing isn't it that we've used 2 high picks on the DL recently and STILL haven't fixed the problem. Because the 3/4 defense the d line is more for r controlling and disrupting the LOS It's very rare for anyone on a 3/4 front to have double digit sacks,Donald is the exception. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2019 10:11:21 GMT -5
I'm afraid we will have to lose out to do that. With the skins in front of us right now, I think it would be our only shot, short of trading up to jump them. I thought the same last year but then Allen dropped to them. I think that having the 2nd pick would be ideal and I do think the Redskins would take him a head of the Giants so a loss to them would help. This is the Redskins we are talking about. Danny boy wants to protect and get Hadkins help on his side of the ball(that isn't if they do something really assenine and take Herbert at 2) Pretty sure they will take Thomas or even Jeudy at 2 |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 24, 2019 10:13:42 GMT -5
Amazing isn't it that we've used 2 high picks on the DL recently and STILL haven't fixed the problem. Because the 3/4 defense the d line is more for r controlling and disrupting the LOS It's very rare for anyone on a 3/4 front to have double digit sacks,Donald is the exception. Which underscores our problem at LB. |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 10:21:23 GMT -5
lol , This is like comparing Nick Bosa to Ximines last year. Bosa was on a stacked Ohio St team and Ximines was all by himself. What you are saying is Michael Strahan , ED Too Tall” Jones, Jared Allen, Shannon Sharpe, Charles Haley Richard Dent, Jackie Slater,Robert Brazile, Darrell Green, Art Shell, John Randall, Willie Lanier,. Larry Allen are not comparable to any top program players. That is just off the top of my head. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2019 10:24:54 GMT -5
Because the 3/4 defense the d line is more for r controlling and disrupting the LOS It's very rare for anyone on a 3/4 front to have double digit sacks,Donald is the exception. Which underscores our problem at LB. I wonder how much of a loss Connelly is with how he was conning on.. |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 10:27:44 GMT -5
I dissagree. It is tougher to play in a program and excel that does not have all the bells a whistles a top 30 program has. There is a reason for the high rate of failure (58%) in the 1st round of the NFL draft. IMO: is because the NFL drafts 70% of the first round out of top 30 schools . and 30% out of the remaining 124. Those top programs are so loaded with talent. My theory is those top 30 schools are so much better in talent level per -team than the rest of the NCAA . Because of this uneven level of team talent. The( stud) players in those programs look to be better than the are. When they get into the NFL ( the best of the best) . Now the playing field is equalized and the actual talent level or lack of is exposed. You make good points, but you also have to consider the level of talent on the teams these players face every week... I agree. The teams that are the top 30 programs produce most of the first round. There is a correlation between that and the failure rate. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 24, 2019 10:29:09 GMT -5
Which underscores our problem at LB. I wonder how much of a loss Connelly is with how he was conning on.. Even as a rookie playing in his first few games, I thought he was our best linebacker by a mile. Was really depressed when he went down. |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 10:31:36 GMT -5
He is certainly a really good player, but I don't know if he's in Youngs caliber. Sure he has good players around him, but he is flat out beating guys one on one, dude has like 7-8 sacks in the last two games. What I real like about him is that he makes plays in the big moments...like Strahan used to in his prime. I am not saying he is not an NFL caliber player. I am suggesting is it him or is the guys around him are so much better than their opponents? Would he be the same player on Boise State ? That is The perspective I am at. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 24, 2019 10:41:27 GMT -5
lol , This is like comparing Nick Bosa to Ximines last year. Bosa was on a stacked Ohio St team and Ximines was all by himself. What you are saying is Michael Strahan , ED Too Tall” Jones, Jared Allen, Shannon Sharpe, Charles Haley Richard Dent, Jackie Slater,Robert Brazile, Darrell Green, Art Shell, John Randall, Willie Lanier,. Larry Allen are not comparable to any top program players. That is just off the top of my head. Huh? No I was just pointing out how ridiculous your logic was for not liking Young but liking the Boise St guy. |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 10:48:33 GMT -5
What you are saying is Michael Strahan , ED Too Tall” Jones, Jared Allen, Shannon Sharpe, Charles Haley Richard Dent, Jackie Slater,Robert Brazile, Darrell Green, Art Shell, John Randall, Willie Lanier,. Larry Allen are not comparable to any top program players. That is just off the top of my head. Huh? No I was just pointing out how ridiculous your logic was for not liking Young but liking the Boise St guy. You point out notching, If you had a point you would use facts. All my points were valid. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2019 10:48:55 GMT -5
Remember my question
Would you be willing to trade your 2021 and 2022 1st round picks to get this guy and I was saying yes
Hmmmmm
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 24, 2019 10:53:18 GMT -5
Giants, do have the right coaching staff in place, to lose out .
The Race for Chase begins today.
Place your bets.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:16:03 GMT -5
lol This is like comparing Nick Bosa to Ximines last year. Bosa was on a stacked Ohio St team and Ximines was all by himself. ...and Ximines has a better bend then Weaver. Weaver is a strong side defensive end...not a 3-4 edge player the next level...Young can play in both systems as the weak side DE and can stick his hand in the dirt and stop the run. His get the QB athletic ability is off the charts. It's incredible...like a holy crap, what did I just watch type of talent. He faces double teams every week and beats them...from better OL's in the big 10...such as top round center Tyler Biadasz from the OL factory Wisconsin helping out every play to block this beast...and Chase Young smoking them all, and killing the game. Just need to watch Ohio State vs OL factory Wisconsin and see what Young did... This is Chase vs probable future NFL O-Linemen...need to watch the entire game to appreciate him, but here is how easily he beat double and triple teams on obvious pass donws...wow. Apples and Oranges IMHO...strong side vs weak side DE's. Chase Young is so far better the athlete and pass rusher it is not even a fair comparison.  His athletic abilities have no bearing on where he plays...if you are a Mack from Buffalo, you get picked first no matter what school. Chase Young is a freak, and all his skills and athletic talents translate into a game changer the next level. IMHO of course...as well as every scout in existence who knows quite a bit more than I do.  Chase Young > every player coming out of the draft |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 24, 2019 11:17:54 GMT -5
Huh? No I was just pointing out how ridiculous your logic was for not liking Young but liking the Boise St guy. You point out notching, If you had a point you would use facts. All my points were valid. Have you actually watched the guy play? He can’t be blocked one on one by good programs (Wisconsin, Penn State) and routinely destroys double-teams. He is an absolute game wrecker. Are you suggesting that we should pass on this guy if he is there for us? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 24, 2019 11:35:00 GMT -5
Huh? No I was just pointing out how ridiculous your logic was for not liking Young but liking the Boise St guy. You point out notching, If you had a point you would use facts. All my points were valid. They really arent though. Saying Young wont be that good because he has talent around him is kinda ridiculous if you watched him play. |
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 24, 2019 11:44:58 GMT -5
I usually don't buy into the hype but after watching a bit of Young I don't remember watching a DE as dominant as he looks.
He looks like Lawrence Taylor out there. I hate the idea of him playing or another NFC East team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:47:15 GMT -5
I thought the same last year but then Allen dropped to them. I think that having the 2nd pick would be ideal and I do think the Redskins would take him a head of the Giants so a loss to them would help. This is the Redskins we are talking about. Danny boy wants to protect and get Hadkins help on his side of the ball(that isn't if they do something really assenine and take Herbert at 2) Pretty sure they will take Thomas or even Jeudy at 2 It's always entertaining to read your responses painting some rosy picture of the current Giants players and coaches while bashing most of the other teams or their players. Wins are all that matters and this current Giants team is not getting that done.. |
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Post by leonperry on Nov 24, 2019 11:47:24 GMT -5
Giants, do have the right coaching staff in place, to lose out . The Race for Chase begins today. Place your bets. LMFAO... so true. I have utmost confidence in their abilities to accomplish this now its just a matter of having the right attitude and getting it done |
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Post by TEM on Nov 24, 2019 11:55:27 GMT -5
You point out notching, If you had a point you would use facts. All my points were valid. Have you actually watched the guy play? He can’t be blocked one on one by good programs (Wisconsin, Penn State) and routinely destroys double-teams. He is an absolute game wrecker. Are you suggesting that we should pass on this guy if he is there for us? What I am saying is Buyer beware. Historically the history of the draft is suggesting so. |
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