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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 12:51:12 GMT -5
The fact is we need an OT way more than a pass usher. If Thomas or Jackson are there . I think we need make the pick . We picked our future last year. If we do give him the protection he deserves . It will be a wasted pick. This draft, the way our OL is. Anything but an OT is a wasted luxury pick. I agree we have a huge need for OT...I sort of feel that's been what has been the biggest reason we have been a brutal team the last few centuries...but generational pass rushers will help the defense, which will also help the QB....and that has been the second reason this team has been brutal the...last few centuries...feels like it. This draft is VERY deep on a position that is needed in the league, OT...and very deep all over the offensive line. Last year we had a huge talent base of edge with a lot of closely rated prospects... this year?...Chase Young, and then the scouting grades drop a bit. I strongly feel if it comes down to Young or Thomas ... we will go Young, because of the way this draft plays out in it's strengths. If we are talking Alaric Jackson, he is having a meh year, and is as of now, dropping on the big board. Wirfs, his teammate, will, should, go higher than him. If you are in love with Alaric Jackson, he should be there in the second round....personally, I have other tackles rated a bit higher, but I'm not a super scout. Check out my mocks...I am trading back, getting Thomas, another tackle for the right side and one of the star instant starting centers coming out...another very deep group. I want the wall. I want the wall built quickly. I want the wall to do the job...and make our QB's life easier...with our thunder thighs 2 pick bouncing all outside and creating amazing eyes on Barkley, and linebackers and safeties locked onto the play action, and watch Jones have time for deeper routing and dropping dimes. All said...I will be quite happy with Andrew Thomas, even over Young...at pick 2. Pick 1? I'd take advantage of the Burrow sweepstakes and field all offers. But, I am not going to tear down Chase Young because I want a tackle though....I will be happy if we pick either, or trade down and accumulate picks...something rebuilding teams should be doing. All good...but Chase Young is a freak...I can't deny that. Last year it was Nick Bosa / Josh Allen in the 18 draft. It was Myles Garrett . In 17 it was Bradley Chubb. In 16 it was Joey Bosa. All good top of the Draft DEs/ OLBs and at the time a must pick if there player. There will be on next year as well. Not to mention. This is a stacked draft for pass rushers. Curtis Weaver Terrell Lewis Jon Greenard Kenny Willekes Jabari Zuniga Khalid Kareem Nick Coe All 2nd 3rd round picks
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 12:53:25 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 12:59:00 GMT -5
Lackluster? Maybe it wasnt what he did last time playing Wisconsin because they smartened up, but he still was making his presence felt. Coan was doing mostly 3 step drops and firing due to not wanting Young to wreck havoc again. Our pass rusher we currently have make theist presence felt also. You do make a pick on almost there. 2 weeks is a row he went against decent O-lines and came up with no hits. In the NFl the worst O-lines are better than the beast in the NCAA. Lol... ok. Like I said, Tom Brady must have sucked in his prime too be cause he had games where he threw INTs or no TDs.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 13:01:28 GMT -5
Thats like saying, IF Tom BRady is so great why did he have so many game through his career with no TD passes? No it is not. I am doing what any scout would do. Why the past 2 weeks was he contained. Because the O-lines had a way to stop the unstoppable. In the NFL that is every O-line. Do you not understand football? Young had 4 sacks and 2 FFs vs them 3 weeks ago. Of course they would try to neutralize him. Quick 3 step passes by the QB, roll away from him, run the other way ect. Young is making the other DL better that way. Why couldn't they stop him in the first game? And where were you after that game with this opinion of yours? You got your opinion known about Young. You think he stinks. We get it.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 13:08:22 GMT -5
No it is not. I am doing what any scout would do. Why the past 2 weeks was he contained. Because the O-lines had a way to stop the unstoppable. In the NFL that is every O-line. Do you not understand football? Young had 4 sacks and 2 FFs vs them 3 weeks ago. Of course they would try to neutralize him. Quick 3 step passes by the QB, roll away from him, run the other way ect. Young is making the other DL better that way. Why couldn't they stop him in the first game? And where were you after that game with this opinion of yours? You got your opinion known about Young. You think he stinks. We get it. It was at home also . Where all of his good game have been . When he in away from Ohio Stadium. He is average. Why could he not repeat it away from home? all things an NFL scout looks at. If he is unlockable as some suggest . Why the past 2 games no sacks? You can make you narrative all you want. It still does not change the fact . 2 games in a row goose eggs.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 13:21:07 GMT -5
Do you not understand football? Young had 4 sacks and 2 FFs vs them 3 weeks ago. Of course they would try to neutralize him. Quick 3 step passes by the QB, roll away from him, run the other way ect. Young is making the other DL better that way. Why couldn't they stop him in the first game? And where were you after that game with this opinion of yours? You got your opinion known about Young. You think he stinks. We get it. It was at home also . Where all of his good game have been . When he in away from Ohio Stadium. He is average. Why could he not repeat it away from home? all things an NFL scout looks at. If he is unlockable as some suggest . Why the past 2 games no sacks? You can make you narrative all you want. It still does not change the fact . 2 games in a row goose eggs. He sucks you are right.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 13:24:20 GMT -5
It was at home also . Where all of his good game have been . When he in away from Ohio Stadium. He is average. Why could he not repeat it away from home? all things an NFL scout looks at. If he is unlockable as some suggest . Why the past 2 games no sacks? You can make you narrative all you want. It still does not change the fact . 2 games in a row goose eggs. He sucks you are right. That is your response LOL.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 13:29:25 GMT -5
That is your response LOL. Well that is your opinion. I cant change your mind with reasonable conclusions obviously.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 13:34:55 GMT -5
That is your response LOL. Well that is your opinion. I cant change your mind with reasonable conclusions obviously. Are you saying any scout would not ask the same questions with their a first round sections. They should they have shiny object syndrome and not look at the questionable as well?
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Post by bluebuddha on Dec 8, 2019 13:36:30 GMT -5
Do you not understand football? Young had 4 sacks and 2 FFs vs them 3 weeks ago. Of course they would try to neutralize him. Quick 3 step passes by the QB, roll away from him, run the other way ect. Young is making the other DL better that way. Why couldn't they stop him in the first game? And where were you after that game with this opinion of yours? You got your opinion known about Young. You think he stinks. We get it. It was at home also . Where all of his good game have been . When he in away from Ohio Stadium. He is average. Why could he not repeat it away from home? all things an NFL scout looks at. If he is unlockable as some suggest . Why the past 2 games no sacks? You can make you narrative all you want. It still does not change the fact . 2 games in a row goose eggs. My theory is he already has his eyes set ion the NFL, He is making business decisions to keep ensure his first round status in the NFL draft and he is giving NCAA the middle finger for suspending him . He has coasted a bit this year . It is concerning as he might be a money guy and might dissapear once he gets paid.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 13:50:09 GMT -5
Well that is your opinion. I cant change your mind with reasonable conclusions obviously. Are you saying any scout would not ask the same questions with their a first round sections. They should they have shiny object syndrome and not look at the questionable as well? Not when they see the first 10 games. And again, just because he didnt get the shiny sack stat doesnt mean he was garbage yesterday. But I'm sure you watched the entire game right? Wait, weren't you a huge Saquon Barkley fan?
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 13:52:54 GMT -5
It was at home also . Where all of his good game have been . When he in away from Ohio Stadium. He is average. Why could he not repeat it away from home? all things an NFL scout looks at. If he is unlockable as some suggest . Why the past 2 games no sacks? You can make you narrative all you want. It still does not change the fact . 2 games in a row goose eggs. My theory is he already has his eyes set ion the NFL, He is making business decisions to keep ensure his first round status in the NFL draft and he is giving NCAA the middle finger for suspending him . He has coasted a bit this year . It is concerning as he might be a money guy and might dissapear once he gets paid. If what you are saying is true. I do not think it is. Why chose to play at all if it is not a 100% effort. Why not just not sit out. That alone would put up a flag with any draft team. He Is willing to give a partial effort to preserve his health. What would stop him from doing the same if he was on a team that was down a few scores. Would he do the same it he felt it was warranted? If so, you do not draft that guy with a top 10 pick.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 13:58:59 GMT -5
Are you saying any scout would not ask the same questions with their a first round sections. They should they have shiny object syndrome and not look at the questionable as well? Not when they see the first 10 games. And again, just because he didnt get the shiny sack stat doesnt mean he was garbage yesterday. But I'm sure you watched the entire game right? Wait, weren't you a huge Saquon Barkley fan? So again this is your response LOL. Not one thing to say if a scouting department would ask these same questions or not. You response is only the first 10 games everything else is moot.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 14:02:11 GMT -5
Not when they see the first 10 games. And again, just because he didnt get the shiny sack stat doesnt mean he was garbage yesterday. But I'm sure you watched the entire game right? Wait, weren't you a huge Saquon Barkley fan? So again this is your response LOL. Not one thing to say if a scouting department would ask these same questions or not. You response is only the first 10 games everything else is moot. How much do you get paid to work for scouting department? So you were a huge Barkley fan right? And wanted us to draft him right?
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Post by bluebuddha on Dec 8, 2019 14:08:43 GMT -5
My theory is he already has his eyes set ion the NFL, He is making business decisions to keep ensure his first round status in the NFL draft and he is giving NCAA the middle finger for suspending him . He has coasted a bit this year . It is concerning as he might be a money guy and might dissapear once he gets paid. If what you are saying is true. I do not think it is. Why chose to play at all if it is not a 100% effort. Why not just not sit out. That alone would put up a flag with any draft team. He Is willing to give a partial effort to preserve his health. What would stop him from doing the same if he was on a team that was down a few scores. Would he do the same it he felt it was warranted? If so, you do not draft that guy with a top 10 pick. I don't know man it is just a theory based on what I have seen from Chase the last 2 years. I definitely don't see what you have been seeing with him being a non-factor.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 14:10:41 GMT -5
So again this is your response LOL. Not one thing to say if a scouting department would ask these same questions or not. You response is only the first 10 games everything else is moot. How much do you get paid to work for scouting department? So you were a huge Barkley fan right? And wanted us to draft him right? Again instead of saying why a scout would ignore anything questionable? LOL
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 14:14:05 GMT -5
How much do you get paid to work for scouting department? So you were a huge Barkley fan right? And wanted us to draft him right? Again instead of saying why a scout would ignore anything questionable? LOL If a scout bases his entire study of Young on yesterday's game he would still be impressed. You would be too if you actually watched the game. Which you didnt. Your basing it on the fact he had 0 sacks. It's very sound analysis on your part.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 14:18:11 GMT -5
Again instead of saying why a scout would ignore anything questionable? LOL If a scout bases his entire study of Young on yesterday's game he would still be impressed. You would be too if you actually watched the game. Which you didnt. Your basing it on the fact he had 0 sacks. It's very sound analysis on your part. I did watch the game. As a run stopper . He looked good. As a pass rusher against a deaccent line. He was average.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 14:20:45 GMT -5
If a scout bases his entire study of Young on yesterday's game he would still be impressed. You would be too if you actually watched the game. Which you didnt. Your basing it on the fact he had 0 sacks. It's very sound analysis on your part. I did watch the game. As a run stopper . He looked good. As a pass rusher against a deaccent line. He was average. Ok... cool. So you were a huge Barkley fan coming into the draft right?
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 14:33:21 GMT -5
I did watch the game. As a run stopper . He looked good. As a pass rusher against a deaccent line. He was average. Ok... cool. So you were a huge Barkley fan coming into the draft right? It is true I did not want a running back I wanted to trade down and take Mike McGlinchey Last year I wanted Jonah Williams . Both Offensive Tackles . Our O-line is still in a state of chaos . Mostly because we have not had a bonified RT since Diehl 2012. Yet everyone seems want anything but. I apologize if I am not in the lets not take a OT again with put first pick camp.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 14:39:02 GMT -5
Ok... cool. So you were a huge Barkley fan coming into the draft right? It is true I did not want a running back I wanted to trade down and take Mike McGlinchey Last year I wanted Jonah Williams . Both Offensive Tackles . Our O-line is still in a state of chaos . Mostly because we have not had a bonified RT since Diehl 2012. Yet everyone seems want anything but. I apologize if I am not in the lets not take a OT again with put first pick camp. We do need Tackles. We were talking about Young though. I'll just leave it at that. Just because he didnt register a sack doesnt mean he had a bad game. And it certainly doenst mean he is not good. You are entitled to your opinion though.
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 8, 2019 14:47:31 GMT -5
Exactly. I could see Gettleman trade the pick for magic beans. I hear there is a generational punter coming out this year... People laughed when Al Davis selected Ray Guy as his #1 pick in 73', how'd that turn out for Oak & Guy?
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 14:54:49 GMT -5
It is true I did not want a running back I wanted to trade down and take Mike McGlinchey Last year I wanted Jonah Williams . Both Offensive Tackles . Our O-line is still in a state of chaos . Mostly because we have not had a bonified RT since Diehl 2012. Yet everyone seems want anything but. I apologize if I am not in the lets not take a OT again with put first pick camp. We do need Tackles. We were talking about Young though. I'll just leave it at that. Just because he didnt register a sack doesnt mean he had a bad game. And it certainly doenst mean he is not good. You are entitled to your opinion though. I never said he sucked. I have said I don't know if it is him or him being on the #1 defense. I also have a concern of him being a 4-3 DE and never played 3-4 OLB. I think IMO: Thomas or Johnson OT with the first pick. Curtis Weaver OLB with the 2nd round pick. Troy Dye ILB with our 3rd comp pick.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 15:11:28 GMT -5
Thats like saying, IF Tom BRady is so great why did he have so many game through his career with no TD passes? No it is not. I am doing what any scout would do. Why the past 2 weeks was he contained. Because the O-lines had a way to stop the unstoppable. In the NFL that is every O-line. 11-9-2013 Pitt is playing the fighting Irish...Aaron Donald is tearing it up his senior year In this game, he has no sacks, and one assisted tackle. It was even a home game...scouts were taking that into consideration. I guess. Back to back defensive player of the year awards later...still wondering, what happened that game? Why do NFL teams have no way of stopping the unstoppable Donald, when Notre Dame and Zack Martin and company, were able to that day? Chase Young is 20 years old...it's called getting better. He will. ...even this unblockable one on one edge. Scouts, ALL scouts, are drooling over him. Despite his no sack game.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 15:18:58 GMT -5
No it is not. I am doing what any scout would do. Why the past 2 weeks was he contained. Because the O-lines had a way to stop the unstoppable. In the NFL that is every O-line. 11-9-2013 Pitt is playing the fighting Irish...Aaron Donald is tearing it up his senior year In this game, he has no sacks, and one assisted tackle. It was even a home game...scouts were taking that into consideration. I guess. Back to back defensive player of the year awards later...still wondering, what happened that game? Why do NFL teams have no way of stopping the unstoppable Donald, when Notre Dame and Zack Martin and company, were able to that day? Chase Young is 20 years old...it's called getting better. He will. ...even this unblockable one on one edge. Scouts, ALL scouts, are drooling over him. Despite his no sack game. Aaron Donald was not a top 10 pick . He wasn't even the best of his class Clowney and Mack were. You are proving my point for me. You do not have to take the best pass rusher in the class to get production. I still say take the OT
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 15:59:51 GMT -5
11-9-2013 Pitt is playing the fighting Irish...Aaron Donald is tearing it up his senior year In this game, he has no sacks, and one assisted tackle. It was even a home game...scouts were taking that into consideration. I guess. Back to back defensive player of the year awards later...still wondering, what happened that game? Why do NFL teams have no way of stopping the unstoppable Donald, when Notre Dame and Zack Martin and company, were able to that day? Chase Young is 20 years old...it's called getting better. He will. ...even this unblockable one on one edge. Scouts, ALL scouts, are drooling over him. Despite his no sack game. Aaron Donald was not a top 10 pick . He wasn't even the best of his class Clowney and Mack were. You are proving my point for me. You do not have to take the best pass rusher in the class to get production. I still say take the OT That's proves your point? Lol
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 8, 2019 16:20:20 GMT -5
You want them to take Austin Jackson over Chase Young??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 16:39:12 GMT -5
11-9-2013 Pitt is playing the fighting Irish...Aaron Donald is tearing it up his senior year In this game, he has no sacks, and one assisted tackle. It was even a home game...scouts were taking that into consideration. I guess. Back to back defensive player of the year awards later...still wondering, what happened that game? Why do NFL teams have no way of stopping the unstoppable Donald, when Notre Dame and Zack Martin and company, were able to that day? Chase Young is 20 years old...it's called getting better. He will. ...even this unblockable one on one edge. Scouts, ALL scouts, are drooling over him. Despite his no sack game. Aaron Donald was not a top 10 pick . He wasn't even the best of his class Clowney and Mack were. You are proving my point for me. You do not have to take the best pass rusher in the class to get production. I still say take the OT Not really proving any of your point....as your point is kind of dull, and pointless regarding the original point. The old now "point" of yours was...offensive lines can block any unblockable player, because Chase Young was blocked (and held) by the Wolverines, and in the NFL...they are all better, so he will always be blocked. I am not quite sure what's the point of that pointless point, but I shall point out that point is ...well, pointless. As with my Donald being blocked that day...a top 3 tech (not edge) interior pass rush freak. That point, took out your pointless point about NFL lines being able to block anybody. Donald was heralded coming out, but was a DT as a 3 tech. Nobody knew he was going to be better than Sapp....but woop, there it is. Too many points here... Remember projection...something stats don't always portray when scouting. Now, your new spinning away into another point, regarding Donald and Mack...oh, and Clowney. Actually, it proves my "point". If I wanted to spin, creating a new point in a pointless debate, it is there. Okay, what the hell, let's do this.... Clowney was taken first overall...because scouts had his immense abilities ranked the best. It's called grading players. Nothing earth shattering about it. Suggesting we can garner a pass rusher in a draft year where the grades of the pass rusher/edge is below awesome, and far below last years deep class of damage the QB players is kind of suggesting the exact same thing about our offensive tackles. Why not draft one in the 2nd round? Surely, you can see the flaw of this argument. As I already pointed out, this is a VERY deep class with offensive line, offensive tackle, guard and center. If we are to assume this is a deeper class, according to scouts and their grades, in the WR, OL and CB area...but not quite grading high, aside from Young, in the edge... why would your "point" about getting a top player such as offensive tackle in the second not be a better option? You suggested it...with the tornado spin away...we can get a pass rusher like the 5 pick LB Mack, or 13 pick 3 tech phone booth moves DT...Donald. Why not grab the player ALL scouts will have rated the highest, in Chase Young, and get an offensive tackle in the 2nd, or 3rd round?Say if we get the 2 pick. Burrow goes number 1 to the Bengals. We now look at our board, the NY Giants board. We have Chase Young, at a graded 8.0...for argument sake. Say, DE Yetur Gross-Matos from the land of thunder thighs is ranked with a 7.2. Derrick Brown, the great defensive tackle from Auburn is ranked 7.8. Andrew Thomas is a 7.7, and Prince Tega Wanogho running a 7.2. Now, I am not a scout, and do not know what the final, after playoffs, senior, combine, pro days will say...but say they all end up in that graded spot. Now, we take into consideration character, upside and of course, value of position. Now, we all enjoy confirming our belief in BPA...but are we really going to take Derrick Brown at 2? Will we take the Andrew Thomas pick, at a 7.7, over a perfect 8 Chase Young? Despite the fact both are in top team need, top positional value, and the best of their positions? We have the need for both positions, and being the draft is immensely deep at OL...would it NOT make sense, and use your point about a player gaining pro bowl status as an OT being gotten in rounds 2-3, versus the higher graded, higher ceiling position of value, and need? Point? Making points. Point is pointless, unless you point out all positions can be gotten in round 2. You certainly can't suggest I am proving your point regarding a Mack at 5, a Clowney at 1, and Donald, a DT at 13...by suggesting we can get a great pass rusher in round 2...that does not even match BTW...34 vs 1,5, 13??...but let's roll with it. So, why can't we not take a Thomas at 2?...take Young, and then simply get a stud OT in the second round? Is that only good for edge players? I tend to believe OT's are picked more mid round, with success, vs top edge rushers...especially in this weak edge class compared to last year. Your point is for any and all players, in any position. We can find any player of talent in later rounds...but scouts tend to adhere to their grades...it's how big boards are set up. Now, if you are basing the wanting the O tackle at 2, and have decided to blast Young for a sackless game, working back at the OT you want to draft, by trying to suggest Chase Young is "overrated", well...that is wrong. If you sincerely believe he has flaws, please point them out...as a scout would. I can at least listen to your "point", if you simply believe Chase Young is overrated. I sense, you simply want the tackle on offense, so Young is in the way. What in your tape review suggests he will fail in the next level? I will ask you look at my original point regarding your point, the Donald point...players sometimes, for various reasons...have games that they don't put up the numbers they did the week or two before. Coaching usually is the reason...and has the most effect on neutralizing a player, but usually at the expense of weakening another area. Maybe the blocker is simply on that game, and pass rusher is off...not in the Chase Young case though against the Badgers. BTW... Buckeyes won both games, one a complete blowout. All players on the DL had sacks...think that had nothing to do with the Chasing of Young by coaching and bodies? IMHO...It's all in who you would rather have... Chase Young and Prince Tega Wanogho vs Andrew Thomas and Terrell Lewis. As said, I am for Andrew Thomas, but I don't see the 3 down edge player at pick 34 for us. Specialists? Pass rush only players? Yeah, I see some of that. And what we run, a 3-4 or 4-3, does have a matter of whom we "should" pick...but since when has that stopped teams from drafting the best pass rusher, and BPA? Hell, we draft press corners in zone defenses, and power blockers with east west running backs, and a head coach who runs zone blocking schemes...these guys will all be out of here in 2 years anyway....haha, yeah, no confidence DG gets this thing turned around.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 17:09:29 GMT -5
You want them to take Austin Jackson over Chase Young?? We need an OT he a has been at the top of the heap this year. Andrews and Jackson would be good picks and add a anchor OT to the line. What we are missing.
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Post by TEM on Dec 8, 2019 17:35:11 GMT -5
Aaron Donald was not a top 10 pick . He wasn't even the best of his class Clowney and Mack were. You are proving my point for me. You do not have to take the best pass rusher in the class to get production. I still say take the OT Not really proving any of your point....as your point is kind of dull, and pointless regarding the original point. The old now "point" of yours was...offensive lines can block any unblockable player, because Chase Young was blocked (and held) by the Wolverines, and in the NFL...they are all better, so he will always be blocked. I am not quite sure what's the point of that pointless point, but I shall point out that point is ...well, pointless. As with my Donald being blocked that day...a top 3 tech (not edge) interior pass rush freak. That point, took out your pointless point about NFL lines being able to block anybody. Donald was heralded coming out, but was a DT as a 3 tech. Nobody knew he was going to be better than Sapp....but woop, there it is. Too many points here... Remember projection...something stats don't always portray when scouting. Now, your new spinning away into another point, regarding Donald and Mack...oh, and Clowney. Actually, it proves my "point". If I wanted to spin, creating a new point in a pointless debate, it is there. Okay, what the hell, let's do this.... Clowney was taken first overall...because scouts had his immense abilities ranked the best. It's called grading players. Nothing earth shattering about it. Suggesting we can garner a pass rusher in a draft year where the grades of the pass rusher/edge is below awesome, and far below last years deep class of damage the QB players is kind of suggesting the exact same thing about our offensive tackles. Why not draft one in the 2nd round? Surely, you can see the flaw of this argument. As I already pointed out, this is a VERY deep class with offensive line, offensive tackle, guard and center. If we are to assume this is a deeper class, according to scouts and their grades, in the WR, OL and CB area...but not quite grading high, aside from Young, in the edge... why would your "point" about getting a top player such as offensive tackle in the second not be a better option? You suggested it...with the tornado spin away...we can get a pass rusher like the 5 pick LB Mack, or 13 pick 3 tech phone booth moves DT...Donald. Why not grab the player ALL scouts will have rated the highest, in Chase Young, and get an offensive tackle in the 2nd, or 3rd round?Say if we get the 2 pick. Burrow goes number 1 to the Bengals. We now look at our board, the NY Giants board. We have Chase Young, at a graded 8.0...for argument sake. Say, DE Yetur Gross-Matos from the land of thunder thighs is ranked with a 7.2. Derrick Brown, the great defensive tackle from Auburn is ranked 7.8. Andrew Thomas is a 7.7, and Prince Tega Wanogho running a 7.2. Now, I am not a scout, and do not know what the final, after playoffs, senior, combine, pro days will say...but say they all end up in that graded spot. Now, we take into consideration character, upside and of course, value of position. Now, we all enjoy confirming our belief in BPA...but are we really going to take Derrick Brown at 2? Will we take the Andrew Thomas pick, at a 7.7, over a perfect 8 Chase Young? Despite the fact both are in top team need, top positional value, and the best of their positions? We have the need for both positions, and being the draft is immensely deep at OL...would it NOT make sense, and use your point about a player gaining pro bowl status as an OT being gotten in rounds 2-3, versus the higher graded, higher ceiling position of value, and need? Point? Making points. Point is pointless, unless you point out all positions can be gotten in round 2. You certainly can't suggest I am proving your point regarding a Mack at 5, a Clowney at 1, and Donald, a DT at 13...by suggesting we can get a great pass rusher in round 2...that does not even match BTW...34 vs 1,5, 13??...but let's roll with it. So, why can't we not take a Thomas at 2?...take Young, and then simply get a stud OT in the second round? Is that only good for edge players? I tend to believe OT's are picked more mid round, with success, vs top edge rushers...especially in this weak edge class compared to last year. Your point is for any and all players, in any position. We can find any player of talent in later rounds...but scouts tend to adhere to their grades...it's how big boards are set up. Now, if you are basing the wanting the O tackle at 2, and have decided to blast Young for a sackless game, working back at the OT you want to draft, by trying to suggest Chase Young is "overrated", well...that is wrong. If you sincerely believe he has flaws, please point them out...as a scout would. I can at least listen to your "point", if you simply believe Chase Young is overrated. I sense, you simply want the tackle on offense, so Young is in the way. What in your tape review suggests he will fail in the next level? I will ask you look at my original point regarding your point, the Donald point...players sometimes, for various reasons...have games that they don't put up the numbers they did the week or two before. Coaching usually is the reason...and has the most effect on neutralizing a player, but usually at the expense of weakening another area. Maybe the blocker is simply on that game, and pass rusher is off...not in the Chase Young case though against the Badgers. BTW... Buckeyes won both games, one a complete blowout. All players on the DL had sacks...think that had nothing to do with the Chasing of Young by coaching and bodies? IMHO...It's all in who you would rather have... Chase Young and Prince Tega Wanogho vs Andrew Thomas and Terrell Lewis. As said, I am for Andrew Thomas, but I don't see the 3 down edge player at pick 34 for us. Specialists? Pass rush only players? Yeah, I see some of that. And what we run, a 3-4 or 4-3, does have a matter of whom we "should" pick...but since when has that stopped teams from drafting the best pass rusher, and BPA? Hell, we draft press corners in zone defenses, and power blockers with east west running backs, and a head coach who runs zone blocking schemes...these guys will all be out of here in 2 years anyway....haha, yeah, no confidence DG gets this thing turned around. Suggesting we can garner a pass rusher in a drat the exact same thing about our offensive tackles. Why not draft one in the 2nd round? Because we drafted a QB with our first pick. Protecting him should be the GM's first priority. The priority should be the Best OT on the board. VERY deep class with offensive line It is also a very deep class of edge rushers. You suggested it...with the tornado spin away...we can get a pass rusher like the 5 pick LB Mack, or 13 pick 3 tech phone booth moves DT...Donald. Why not grab the player ALL scouts will have rated the highest, in Chase Young, and get an offensive tackle in the 2nd, or 3rd round?Theses are the same scouts the rated Haskins above DJ. I do not take much stock in those intellects. I never said we can get a rusher like Mack. I Said a we can get productive pass rusher in the 2nd or 3rd round. Now, if you are basing the wanting the O tackle at 2, and have decided to blast Young for a sackless game.Not at all. I have wanted an OT with our first pick for the past 2 drafts Mike McGlinchey in 17 and Jonah Williams last year. We have not drafted an RT our biggest ongoing problem It has been ignored as if it would go away on its own. It is still there and has been since 2013. I wonder why? The difference is I want the problem addressed . Once and for all. The rest of you want to keep kicking the can down the road. One of the biggest reasons we can't win more is, we cannot run the ball or keep the QB upright. Drafting the running back did not keep the Qb upright . Drafting the mobile Quarter back did not keep the QB upright I can assure you drafting an DE will certainly not contribute to fixing our O-line problems.
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