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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 8, 2019 17:05:42 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8
Did we miss again?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 18:20:18 GMT -5
Yeah we missed on GM and HC....
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Post by Waybackfan on Dec 8, 2019 18:47:53 GMT -5
Jones was 2-0 for awhile.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 8, 2019 18:50:48 GMT -5
The team compositions and coaching staffs are so different, it's hard to compare right now. Personally, I have no confidence in ours.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 8, 2019 18:53:08 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8 Did we miss again? You cannot be serious
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 8, 2019 20:27:58 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8 Did we miss again? You cannot be serious The hot take fountain is in full spew mode today
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:29:12 GMT -5
Yeah we missed on GM and HC....
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 9, 2019 7:19:58 GMT -5
Lock being 2-0 with a 111 rating is very relevant. He’s from this Jones QB class.
We could have had Allen, Lawrence, and Lock. He has looked very good.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 9, 2019 7:41:39 GMT -5
Lock being 2-0 with a 111 rating is very relevant. He’s from this Jones QB class. We could have had Allen, Lawrence, and Lock. He has looked very good. Is he better than Tannehill?
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 9, 2019 8:02:21 GMT -5
Lock being 2-0 with a 111 rating is very relevant. He’s from this Jones QB class. We could have had Allen, Lawrence, and Lock. He has looked very good. Is he better than Tannehill? Just pointing out options. The team is 2-10. DG passed on Darnold, Allen, and Jackson in 2018, then targeted Jones much higher than he was projected a year prior to another strong QB class. Lock was one of the heralded 2019 QBs and he’s looking excellent. I just don’t know what branches this guy is clinging onto, he’s gotta go.
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Post by TEM on Dec 9, 2019 8:19:44 GMT -5
Everything you post is after the fact Bull
Here are some more after the fact BULL
We passed on Reggie White to take Carl Banks in 1984 OMG the nerve of George Young We took Phil Simms over Joe Montana in 1979 . WTF George. Should have been fired right after the pick.
Here is another Young pick. That was a "What was he thinking" . In 91 He took Kanavis McGhee over Eric Williams .. How did this guy keep his Job
I can cherry pick a 10000 of these and make any GM that has ever walked the planet appear inept.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 9, 2019 8:51:45 GMT -5
Is he better than Tannehill? Just pointing out options. The team is 2-10. DG passed on Darnold, Allen, and Jackson in 2018, then targeted Jones much higher than he was projected a year prior to another strong QB class. Lock was one of the heralded 2019 QBs and he’s looking excellent. I just don’t know what branches this guy is clinging onto, he’s gotta go. If you’re going to criticize the moves at least go on record and state what you would have done instead.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 9, 2019 9:59:05 GMT -5
Well the good thing is Lock helped Denver to their 4th win (Atlanta also won their 4th). That can hold us in the top 4 picks in the draft if we win a 3rd game.
The damn things I find myself rooting for when your team is total crap.
But at this point who cares about lock. Look at all the QB's were going to miss in this draft if we went Josh Allen last year. You want to drive yourselves crazy ?
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 9, 2019 10:36:58 GMT -5
I don't know how any wins will effect our getting a shot Case Young but I wonder if the team would trade up to get him if we have to ...
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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 9, 2019 12:35:01 GMT -5
Not that we will know anything about either QB for a few years but...
I wanted to go Defense at 6 and 17 then trade up into late first for Locke.
Just sayin..
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 9, 2019 12:58:32 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8 Did we miss again? Remember how good Jones looked in those 1st 2 games Also we are 2 totally different teams ...Good try though, im sure a few suckers fell for this one
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 9, 2019 13:00:05 GMT -5
Just pointing out options. The team is 2-10. DG passed on Darnold, Allen, and Jackson in 2018, then targeted Jones much higher than he was projected a year prior to another strong QB class. Lock was one of the heralded 2019 QBs and he’s looking excellent. I just don’t know what branches this guy is clinging onto, he’s gotta go. If you’re going to criticize the moves at least go on record and state what you would have done instead. Get your laugh track ready...of course this guy is the king of revisionist history...which is east for him because what he probably wanted to do was 3 profiles ago and buried...
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 9, 2019 13:02:40 GMT -5
Not that we will know anything about either QB for a few years but... I wanted to go Defense at 6 and 17 then trade up into late first for Locke. Just sayin.. Replacd Lock with Greir and that was my ideal scenario....though unlike many I was more than OK with Jones at 6 because I was one of the few (FBomb will verify)that was on the Jones train this time last year (FWIW the trade up that obtained Baker was actually from what I understand worked out a few weeks before the draft as a backup plan in case Jones was taken ahead of us..andi think Greir was actually the guy)
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 9, 2019 13:07:40 GMT -5
If you’re going to criticize the moves at least go on record and state what you would have done instead. Get your laugh track ready...of course this guy is the king of revisionist history...which is east for him because what he probably wanted to do was 3 profiles ago and buried... I’m on record on multiple boards not just first guessing, but first ROASTING the majority of Gettleman’s moves. I’m highly qualified to criticize him now as Ive criticized him consistently from Day 1 and have been proven right by the Giants results. From keeping Eli to paying Solder to taking Barkley to the Leonard Williams trade and countless other moronic moves along the way. DG’s grade = 7-21 worst in the NFL
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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 9, 2019 14:20:47 GMT -5
Not that we will know anything about either QB for a few years but... I wanted to go Defense at 6 and 17 then trade up into late first for Locke. Just sayin.. Replacd Lock with Greir and that was my ideal scenario....though unlike many I was more than OK with Jones at 6 because I was one of the few (FBomb will verify)that was on the Jones train this time last year (FWIW the trade up that obtained Baker was actually from what I understand worked out a few weeks before the draft as a backup plan in case Jones was taken ahead of us..andi think Greir was actually the guy) Wait... now I can't remember if it was Locke or Grier I wanted. Old-man brain and I'm only 50.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 9, 2019 14:24:47 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8 Did we miss again? You cannot be serious There is "some" legitimacy to his point here....only because we used the 6th pick in the draft for Jones.....which seemed a reach at the time.. I watched some of the Denver/Houston game yesterday and Lock definitely can spin it. He also looked very good in the pocket. Who knows what he'll become of course. But if it was a matter of which guy you take at #6?...then I agree it's a foolish point. But since Lock was taken in the middle of RD 2, it's not unreasonable to look at the value of each player, given their draft position. It's not like Lock wasn't on the radar in the 2019 draft.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 9, 2019 14:26:26 GMT -5
Not that we will know anything about either QB for a few years but... I wanted to go Defense at 6 and 17 then trade up into late first for Locke. Just sayin.. Replacd Lock with Greir and that was my ideal scenario....though unlike many I was more than OK with Jones at 6 because I was one of the few (FBomb will verify)that was on the Jones train this time last year (FWIW the trade up that obtained Baker was actually from what I understand worked out a few weeks before the draft as a backup plan in case Jones was taken ahead of us..andi think Greir was actually the guy) Where did you hear all that? I never heard that. My 2 QBs in the 2019 low ranked (by me) QB class were Lock and Grier. If forced to go QB I would have taken them later as flyers. Probably not before the 3rd round so I would have missed on Lock anyway.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 9, 2019 14:47:46 GMT -5
There is "some" legitimacy to his point here....only because we used the 6th pick in the draft for Jones.....which seemed a reach at the time.. I watched some of the Denver/Houston game yesterday and Lock definitely can spin it. He also looked very good in the pocket. Who knows what he'll become of course. But if it was a matter of which guy you take at #6?...then I agree it's a foolish point. But since Lock was taken in the middle of RD 2, it's not unreasonable to look at the value of each player, given their draft position. It's not like Lock wasn't on the radar in the 2019 draft.
It’s quite unreasonable to make this assessment after 2 games
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 9, 2019 14:48:57 GMT -5
Get your laugh track ready...of course this guy is the king of revisionist history...which is east for him because what he probably wanted to do was 3 profiles ago and buried... I’m on record on multiple boards not just first guessing, but first ROASTING the majority of Gettleman’s moves. I’m highly qualified to criticize him now as Ive criticized him consistently from Day 1 and have been proven right by the Giants results. From keeping Eli to paying Solder to taking Barkley to the Leonard Williams trade and countless other moronic moves along the way. DG’s grade = 7-21 worst in the NFL What did you want to do QB wise going into the 2019 draft?
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 9, 2019 14:50:16 GMT -5
There is "some" legitimacy to his point here....only because we used the 6th pick in the draft for Jones.....which seemed a reach at the time.. I watched some of the Denver/Houston game yesterday and Lock definitely can spin it. He also looked very good in the pocket. Who knows what he'll become of course. But if it was a matter of which guy you take at #6?...then I agree it's a foolish point. But since Lock was taken in the middle of RD 2, it's not unreasonable to look at the value of each player, given their draft position. It's not like Lock wasn't on the radar in the 2019 draft.
Thank you and yes this is my point. A top pass rusher fell to us at 6. DG passed on him to take Jones at 6 when we also held 17. He deemed Jones head and shoulders above the other QBs on the board when by the average scouts measure he was simply on par with Haskins and Lock for some, behind them by others. Physically Lock has all the tools. He’s not surrounded with a great roster in Denver. It’s a poor Oline with kids occupying all the weapons.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 9, 2019 14:54:43 GMT -5
I’m on record on multiple boards not just first guessing, but first ROASTING the majority of Gettleman’s moves. I’m highly qualified to criticize him now as Ive criticized him consistently from Day 1 and have been proven right by the Giants results. From keeping Eli to paying Solder to taking Barkley to the Leonard Williams trade and countless other moronic moves along the way. DG’s grade = 7-21 worst in the NFL What did you want to do QB wise going into the 2019 draft? A) I wanted Josh Allen at 2 in 2018 B) I’d have drafted pass rusher Josh Allen and let the board come to me at 17 Come 17 I’d have been fine with Jones or Lock. I’d person ally have tried dealing Round 2 or 3 for Rosen. The QB I did not like is Haskins given his off the field persona, his lack of mobility, and coming from a talent rich program that elevated his play.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 9, 2019 15:06:34 GMT -5
What did you want to do QB wise going into the 2019 draft? A) I wanted Josh Allen at 2 in 2018 B) I’d have drafted pass rusher Josh Allen and let the board come to me at 17 Come 17 I’d have been fine with Jones or Lock. I’d person ally have tried dealing Round 2 or 3 for Rosen. The QB I did not like is Haskins given his off the field persona, his lack of mobility, and coming from a talent rich program that elevated his play. Fair enough.
Still too early to determine which path was the correct one.
As of right now, though, I wouldn't trade Jones straight up for Allen or Lock.
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Post by smitty on Dec 10, 2019 19:49:23 GMT -5
I wanted Quentin Nelson in 2018, after trading back slightly.
I wanted Josh Allen in 2019 at 6.
That said, we can speculate about what year, when and who we drafted at QB, since we really needed to draft a QB due to Eli’s age.
I don’t think anyone can reasonably compare the 2018 and 2019 QB drafts at this point.
Would any alternate QB draft scenario make any difference on this shit-show of a team, helmed by quite possible the worst coaches in the league currently?
I don’t believe so.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 12, 2019 16:49:22 GMT -5
Well the good thing is Lock helped Denver to their 4th win (Atlanta also won their 4th). That can hold us in the top 4 picks in the draft if we win a 3rd game. The damn things I find myself rooting for when your team is total crap. But at this point who cares about lock. Look at all the QB's were going to miss in this draft if we went Josh Allen last year. You want to drive yourselves crazy ? I liked Lock, good for him. He was connected to Elway the same way Jones was connected to Jones. It's done. Jones is MY guy now. Lets effing go. SICK of SHIT football. Build the roster now. I think it is a Roosevelt(the Prez, not our esteemed board member) who said, "comparison is the thief of happiness". As long as Left offensive tackle is a sieve then it's apples and oranges.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 13, 2019 20:45:07 GMT -5
Thing is nobody knows how either of these players turn out. Jones has shown flashes, but you'd be lying if you didn't think theres areas of concern. His rookie year though, so we can look past that. Drews played two games. Jones also looked really good when defenses had no tape on him, not so much when they did. We will see how Lock does now that theres tape. We will have a pretty good idea what we have by the end of next season early into the 3rd.
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