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Post by jmike on Dec 14, 2019 12:44:48 GMT -5
Yes. Like resigning a kicker who beat his wife. Correct. And when it came to public light (image) what did the Giants do? They cut him. Exactly. They don't care about the actions, only about the customer reaction to the actions.
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Post by jmike on Dec 14, 2019 12:50:09 GMT -5
What matters in the intention. Other than that it's just a word. I listened to all kinds of "short bus" jokes on the old MB. It didn't bother me. None of it bothers me because i know what the intention is.
We need to be less sensitive. It's eroding the fabric of out country. Speech is a good thing. More speech is better than less.
Being too easily offended is a far great problem in our country than offensive speech. The unintended consequences of your stated point of view is that folks are more and more fearful to speak their minds. Nothing could be worse.
Morehead your right but his is the climate we live in. Don't think it will change anytime soon probably get worse. If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 12:57:08 GMT -5
Morehead your right but his is the climate we live in. Don't think it will change anytime soon probably get worse. If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever. I wil say this for me this player could have been cut for lack of performance and or effort he was paid well beyond his on field contributions the last few years. That said I agree with you. Think we all know and the coach said he got cut for more reasons then this one slip up. It is sad the climate we live in now no one should lose everything for a slip of the tongue.
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 14, 2019 13:00:40 GMT -5
There was this saying years ago. Something like sticks and stones... Boy, does that guy have egg on his face. You're right but again it all depends on who is saying what, words carry weight .John Q public talking to another John Q. Public at a bar might get away with it.A figure who is a personality in the public eye or the President ,no.
I get that. I don't use that word, and some might remember that I handed out a warning here and deleted a post where someone used that same word about year ago. A few 'tough guys' gave me crap about it too.
Everyone needs to mindful that certain words, gestures, and symbols can be hurtful. My heritage is one that has been a target of hatred for decades and that remains to this very day. We saw evidence of it just recently in Jersey City with 4 innocent people being murdered.
But on a much lighter and stranger note. Did anyone watch the video of the soon-to-be murders pulling up in the van? Get this. The driver actually pulled in to an open spot along the side of the street to stop the van. He didn't just stop the van and get out shooting, he pulled into a spot first then got out and began shooting. Therefore this sick bastard actually felt a responsibility to park legally before he got out to murder people. Talk about priorities.
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 14, 2019 13:01:45 GMT -5
Correct. And when it came to public light (image) what did the Giants do? They cut him. Exactly. They don't care about the actions, only about the customer reaction to the actions.
And we've seen it time and time again from the Giants.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2019 13:09:12 GMT -5
I disagree with the thought here................ Not a Fortune 500 but for an Organization that is one of only 32 in it's field and recognized through out the World. Again I say if this were a white person/player and had used the "N" word and did a half ass apology like Jenkins did what would be going on now?Would other players around the league welcome him with open arms?It's only a word ........right? Forget all the race comparisons. If JJ was on the Patriots and they took the same actions as the Giants the media narrative would be quite different. Were the Giants wrong to release him for poorly representing the team in this manner? In isolation probably not. Though I suspect if it was another player, like Barkley for example, I doubt the same actions would be taken. So my issue with it, as is most of the NFL conduct outrage, is how disingenuous it is. The player was going to be let go in a few weeks anyway, so this just became a convenient excuse to do it sooner. I guess that's it. JJ has built a body of work lately that reflects poorly on the Giants. That can't just be overlooked. It just feels a little contrived to use the most recent incident as the trigger when releasing him was a good idea for a couple of months. Barkley has zero body of work as being "off the ranch" so to speak so he would and should be treated differently. I guess I am also struck by the selective outrage by the league. All of that said, I don't have any problem with JJ being gone, it is just all of the surrounding circumstances that move me out of my comfort zone.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 13:11:24 GMT -5
Correct. And when it came to public light (image) what did the Giants do? They cut him. Exactly. They don't care about the actions, only about the customer reaction to the actions. Precisely. And it’s not just limited to the Giants or sports. This is prevalent all over the place
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2019 13:16:13 GMT -5
Morehead your right but his is the climate we live in. Don't think it will change anytime soon probably get worse. If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever. Let's assign a sliding scale on the "per tweet fine" based on the salary of the player and I am on board with it.
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 14, 2019 13:28:49 GMT -5
Let me make myself perfectly clear as far as the Jack Rabbit goes!
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 13:36:36 GMT -5
I learned from a young age being on construction jobs is you need thick skin words never killed anyone unless you let it. There was this saying years ago. Something like sticks and stones... Boy, does that guy have egg on his face. Times change. And with that so does culture. Hence the fact you don't use that word any more and apparently banned (or reprimanded?) posters here that do.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:21 GMT -5
Morehead your right but his is the climate we live in. Don't think it will change anytime soon probably get worse. If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever. Can't tweet about anything ever? That's ridiculous. Social media and branding may not be a part of your culture or understanding but it's a huge part of this younger generation. I agree if the social media post is detrimental to the team or violates the company's code of conduct, sure... fine them. But for anything, ever? That's ridiculous.
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 14, 2019 13:45:44 GMT -5
There was this saying years ago. Something like sticks and stones... Boy, does that guy have egg on his face. Times change. And with that so does culture. Hence the fact you don't use that word any more and apparently banned (or reprimanded?) posters here that do.
Oh, was that you?
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 13:47:39 GMT -5
Times change. And with that so does culture. Hence the fact you don't use that word any more and apparently banned (or reprimanded?) posters here that do.
Oh, was that you? Me what? That you reprimanded? No. Because I didn't post here and don't use that word.
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 14, 2019 13:49:31 GMT -5
Oh, was that you? Me what? That you reprimanded? No. Because I didn't post here and don't use that word. What word, retard? Isn't that a tire?
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 13:52:55 GMT -5
Me what? That you reprimanded? No. Because I didn't post here and don't use that word. What word, retard? Isn't that a tire? Yeah. I stopped using that word long ago. I have no idea what you mean by the tire comment.
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Post by jmike on Dec 14, 2019 14:01:57 GMT -5
If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever. Let's assign a sliding scale on the "per tweet fine" based on the salary of the player and I am on board with it. Nah, flat fine standard contract $5K per tweet regardless of content or position/salary with the team. If 25 tweets are reached the contract becomes void and all signing bonuses are returned to team.
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Post by jmike on Dec 14, 2019 14:04:20 GMT -5
If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever. Can't tweet about anything ever? That's ridiculous. Social media and branding may not be a part of your culture or understanding but it's a huge part of this younger generation. I agree if the social media post is detrimental to the team or violates the company's code of conduct, sure... fine them. But for anything, ever? That's ridiculous. You are welcome to that opinion. I have found that twitter is a toxic environment and little good comes of it for public figures. I think it will only help both the player and the team if the players stopped tweeting at all.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 14:58:35 GMT -5
If people continue to support actions such as losing one's job over an offensive statement, then yes it will continue to get worse. If it were me and possible, I would write in a per tweet fine for every tweet regardless of content for every single player on the team. Message is, don't tweet, about anything, ever. Let's assign a sliding scale on the "per tweet fine" based on the salary of the player and I am on board with it. Maybe percentage based.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 14, 2019 15:04:22 GMT -5
Freedom of speech is as much a responsibility as it is a right. That freedom comes with the notion that an individual can self filter when necessary . If one cannot. the consequences of public opinion can be initiated. If you believe that then you have NO understanding of the 1st Amendment.
Offensive speech is the exact kind of speech the Framers intended should be protected. No need to protect speech everyone is fine with. They never imagined that so many weak minded folks would be so easily offended. But either way......It's good for all of us to have unfettered free speech.
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 14, 2019 15:07:48 GMT -5
Freedom of speech is as much a responsibility as it is a right. That freedom comes with the notion that an individual can self filter when necessary . If one cannot. the consequences of public opinion can be initiated. If you believe that then you have NO understanding of the 1st Amendment.
Offensive speech is the exact kind of speech the Framers intended should be protected. No need to protect speech everyone is fine with. They never imagined that so many weak minded folks would be so easily offended. But either way......It's good for all of us to have unfettered free speech.
Yup, if I want to join the Antifa and harass (attack) people that don't agree with you -- ---- ---- ----
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2019 15:32:16 GMT -5
Let's assign a sliding scale on the "per tweet fine" based on the salary of the player and I am on board with it. Nah, flat fine standard contract $5K per tweet regardless of content or position/salary with the team. If 25 tweets are reached the contract becomes void and all signing bonuses are returned to team. That would also work. This way, if something is THAT important you can flap away. Otherwise no one has 25 things THAT important to say. Maybe we can redistribute the fines to the players who don't tweet?
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 17:56:33 GMT -5
Can't tweet about anything ever? That's ridiculous. Social media and branding may not be a part of your culture or understanding but it's a huge part of this younger generation. I agree if the social media post is detrimental to the team or violates the company's code of conduct, sure... fine them. But for anything, ever? That's ridiculous. You are welcome to that opinion. I have found that twitter is a toxic environment and little good comes of it for public figures. I think it will only help both the player and the team if the players stopped tweeting at all. I’ve worked with many brands where twitter et al are valuable tools. Not a toxic environment whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 22:06:58 GMT -5
Retard is a word...it means to slow down, hold back. A verb. Children that were slow in learning were called that. They were. The only reason is became offensive is because children (and athletes) began referring to others in insult, no matter if they were "retarded" or not..."you f'ing retard". They used the word, a legit word...as an insult. So, the snowflake generation, thought police.... felt, words can hurt...and that word is horrible. So versus logic, they made that word offensive...and replaced it with..."special". Of course, kids now insult others by saying "are you f'ing special" or...."you sound special" No matter what the word, it will always simply be the context of a word. Engine braking in trucks are still called retarders. I wonder why they are insulting the trucks? The "N"word is a word all so and use to be used as commonly as the word being discussed now. If a white player had called a fan the "N"word would we be reacting in the same way,would people just blow it off like some want to do like it's no big thing? Hell no. Comparing the N word, to a word meaning slow and holding back.... Retarded, mentally retarded, was a logical word to describe a person's inability to learn at a pace the majority of students were learning. Schools set up shop with this at the time, PC term. It was, the word, abused by children, and those with no empathy towards the mentally retarded, and thus... the cruel association began towards the word. To appease the weak minded snowflakes, they decided to hand out a new word, or term. This word, from thought police headquarters, became special needs. It did not change empathy in those who had none...why would it? Now, children....those who are the last to learn empathy, simply insult another in a new term...special needs. "Hey here comes special needs Johnny!" The N word is based on hatred and bigotry....for as long as anybody on this board has been alive A - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I buy you another doughnut?" B - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I suggest you not eat that doughnut?" C - "Excuse me my thyroid challenged friend, your favorite?...Jelly or Glazed?" This thread is slowing down my mind, dare I say it...retarding my thought processing...thus I'll be on the draft forum...showing empathy towards Chase Young and Andrew Thomas
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 23:02:15 GMT -5
The "N"word is a word all so and use to be used as commonly as the word being discussed now. If a white player had called a fan the "N"word would we be reacting in the same way,would people just blow it off like some want to do like it's no big thing? Hell no. Comparing the N word, to a word meaning slow and holding back.... Retarded, mentally retarded, was a logical word to describe a person's inability to learn at a pace the majority of students were learning. Schools set up shop with this at the time, PC term. It was, the word, abused by children, and those with no empathy towards the mentally retarded, and thus... the cruel association began towards the word. To appease the weak minded snowflakes, they decided to hand out a new word, or term. This word, from thought police headquarters, became special needs. It did not change empathy in those who had none...why would it? Now, children....those who are the last to learn empathy, simply insult another in a new term...special needs. "Hey here comes special needs Johnny!" The N word is based on hatred and bigotry....for as long as anybody on this board has been alive A - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I buy you another doughnut?" B - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I suggest you not eat that doughnut?" C - "Excuse me my thyroid challenged friend, your favorite?...Jelly or Glazed?" This thread is slowing down my mind, dare I say it...retarding my thought processing...thus I'll be on the draft forum...showing empathy towards Chase Young and Andrew Thomas When you dog a group of people in this day and age it becomes a problem can't put this crap out there on twitter. Young disabled people with downs syndrome or that are on the spectrum use the internet and see what is said different world then what we grew up in .
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 15, 2019 11:37:39 GMT -5
Comparing the N word, to a word meaning slow and holding back.... Retarded, mentally retarded, was a logical word to describe a person's inability to learn at a pace the majority of students were learning. Schools set up shop with this at the time, PC term. It was, the word, abused by children, and those with no empathy towards the mentally retarded, and thus... the cruel association began towards the word. To appease the weak minded snowflakes, they decided to hand out a new word, or term. This word, from thought police headquarters, became special needs. It did not change empathy in those who had none...why would it? Now, children....those who are the last to learn empathy, simply insult another in a new term...special needs. "Hey here comes special needs Johnny!" The N word is based on hatred and bigotry....for as long as anybody on this board has been alive A - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I buy you another doughnut?" B - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I suggest you not eat that doughnut?" C - "Excuse me my thyroid challenged friend, your favorite?...Jelly or Glazed?" This thread is slowing down my mind, dare I say it...retarding my thought processing...thus I'll be on the draft forum...showing empathy towards Chase Young and Andrew Thomas Very nice thread to justify your negative narrative . Now go to one of these challenged young people and explain to them how being called the word we are discussing is ok and they should accept it becuase other people are just to plain ignorant to figure out a different word to use. It's not "OK". But using it shouldn't end your career. That's a tad disproportionate.....wouldn't you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 11:43:07 GMT -5
Comparing the N word, to a word meaning slow and holding back.... Retarded, mentally retarded, was a logical word to describe a person's inability to learn at a pace the majority of students were learning. Schools set up shop with this at the time, PC term. It was, the word, abused by children, and those with no empathy towards the mentally retarded, and thus... the cruel association began towards the word. To appease the weak minded snowflakes, they decided to hand out a new word, or term. This word, from thought police headquarters, became special needs. It did not change empathy in those who had none...why would it? Now, children....those who are the last to learn empathy, simply insult another in a new term...special needs. "Hey here comes special needs Johnny!" The N word is based on hatred and bigotry....for as long as anybody on this board has been alive A - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I buy you another doughnut?" B - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I suggest you not eat that doughnut?" C - "Excuse me my thyroid challenged friend, your favorite?...Jelly or Glazed?" This thread is slowing down my mind, dare I say it...retarding my thought processing...thus I'll be on the draft forum...showing empathy towards Chase Young and Andrew Thomas Very nice thread to justify your negative narrative . Now go to one of these challenged young people and explain to them how being called the word we are discussing is ok and they should accept it becuase other people are just to plain ignorant to figure out a different word to use. Thankfully I am not in the NFL because I throw the “R” word around all the time. I also grew up in the 80’s when everyone wasn’t so sensitive about everything.
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 15, 2019 11:43:43 GMT -5
Very nice thread to justify your negative narrative . Now go to one of these challenged young people and explain to them how being called the word we are discussing is ok and they should accept it becuase other people are just to plain ignorant to figure out a different word to use. It's not "OK". But using it shouldn't end your career. That's a tad disproportionate.....wouldn't you agree? Every transgression is the death penalty now. A wise man once tweeted...Social media is like a supermax prison - you got beef, someone has to die. It's frightening to me that it has gotten to the point where you don't counter speech with an alternative point of view, you simply outlaw anything you don't like.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 15, 2019 11:55:10 GMT -5
It's not "OK". But using it shouldn't end your career. That's a tad disproportionate.....wouldn't you agree? Had the apology been sincere maybe , but if you take into consideration the work done with challenged people young and old by the Giants and expressly the Mara's it's understandable and take that it was direct at a fan and not in a random conversation I understand it. I all so don't believe it's ending his career ,his time with the Giants ...yes but I doubt his career is over. Public apologies mean nothing. An apology is an expression of genuine remorse. Public apologies are not. They are attempts to save your ass.
Maybe he's not sorry. If that's the case, a public apology would be a lie.
I don't care if he's sorry. I care if he can cover.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 15, 2019 11:55:53 GMT -5
The "N"word is a word all so and use to be used as commonly as the word being discussed now. If a white player had called a fan the "N"word would we be reacting in the same way,would people just blow it off like some want to do like it's no big thing? Hell no. Comparing the N word, to a word meaning slow and holding back.... Retarded, mentally retarded, was a logical word to describe a person's inability to learn at a pace the majority of students were learning. Schools set up shop with this at the time, PC term. It was, the word, abused by children, and those with no empathy towards the mentally retarded, and thus... the cruel association began towards the word. To appease the weak minded snowflakes, they decided to hand out a new word, or term. This word, from thought police headquarters, became special needs. It did not change empathy in those who had none...why would it? Now, children....those who are the last to learn empathy, simply insult another in a new term...special needs. "Hey here comes special needs Johnny!" The N word is based on hatred and bigotry....for as long as anybody on this board has been alive A - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I buy you another doughnut?" B - "Excuse me sir, I notice you are morbidly obese...may I suggest you not eat that doughnut?" C - "Excuse me my thyroid challenged friend, your favorite?...Jelly or Glazed?" This thread is slowing down my mind, dare I say it...retarding my thought processing...thus I'll be on the draft forum...showing empathy towards Chase Young and Andrew Thomas Whenever someone uses the N-word as an example of hurtful language that shouldn't be used to explain why other hurtful language shouldn't be used, someone tries to explain how the N-word is worse. I completely agree for many reasons but it simply doesn't matter: one being more hurtful than another doesn't make saying the less hurtful thing ok. That logic would support slapping someone but not punching them which, clearly, doesn't stand. You certainly have the right to use whatever language you want but others have the right to call you out as well. Folks, or "snowflakes" as you put it, are certainly too sensitive but there is nothing wrong with the general concept of discouraging abuse of those with little to no power to defend themselves. And let's drop the narrative that he got cut because he said what he said. He got cut because he showed almost no remorse, tried to justify saying it and, most importantly, HE DID NOT FIT INTO THE GIANTS PLANS TO IMPROVE THEIR SECONDARY NEXT YEAR.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 13:13:28 GMT -5
Thankfully I am not in the NFL because I throw the “R” word around all the time. I also grew up in the 80’s when everyone wasn’t so sensitive about everything. I grew up in the 50's,60's,70's,80's,90's,2000's with a sibling that is challenged and it is offensive and maybe you're not to old to learn something new.People who have that issue in their lives have always been sensitive about it,always. I get it bro and I only use it against people without disabilities not that that’s better just telling you how it was when I grew up
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