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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 8:28:34 GMT -5
Someone asked me as a Giants fan if I thought it was worth it (all this losing) if it meant we picked Chase Young (Finally a first round LB). Then that Missy Elliot song came on the radio...I'm not sure the exact lyrics but I think she says
"is it worth it? Let Dave work it. Take Chase in the first and we'll reverse this"
I don't want Eli to lose this week but I really want Chase Young.
The giants can win 1 of the last 3 and still select 2nd. 5 of our 7 wins under Gettleman are v the Skins and TB. We play the Skins next week in what would be the Chase Bowl if we beat Miami. If we lose Sunday we can beat the Skins and still hold on to # 2. That’s my wish. Miami is the must lose game. At the end of the day these games literally don’t matter. Giants v Phins and Gisnts v Skins are games that have to be played because they are on the schedule. They are meaningless. If the NFL voided them it would change nothing. Losing a meaningless game is what’s in our best interest. These guys could “want to win” all they want. When games mattered what they wanted didn’t work, we don’t need it to work now. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:27:44 GMT -5
Someone asked me as a Giants fan if I thought it was worth it (all this losing) if it meant we picked Chase Young (Finally a first round LB). Then that Missy Elliot song came on the radio...I'm not sure the exact lyrics but I think she says
"is it worth it? Let Dave work it. Take Chase in the first and we'll reverse this"
I don't want Eli to lose this week but I really want Chase Young.
We still need a LOT more then a Chase Young... 2 tackles Center Running back that goes north and south and has vision... Wide Receiver, cause the talent in the draft says so QB...in another few years ...how's that Baker, Jackson, Darnold and Josh Allen working out the last few weeks? Safety..Linebackers Possibly anther corner...change that now, yes another corner Tight End I disagree with some of your points. We may only need 1 tackle. Moving Solder to the right side may even help him. We don’t need a QB or HB bro. Those two are pencilled in years to cone. Safety maybe. I like Peppers and Love. Adding Haha Clinton-Dix is a great idea though. We also need a legit #1 WR and CB. Jones is my pick for CB. WR we can get in the draft. TE I am sticking with Engram and Kaden Smith. If we get Young we should move carter to the inside. Also I would like to see more of what we have in X-man |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:29:38 GMT -5
Someone asked me as a Giants fan if I thought it was worth it (all this losing) if it meant we picked Chase Young (Finally a first round LB). Then that Missy Elliot song came on the radio...I'm not sure the exact lyrics but I think she says
"is it worth it? Let Dave work it. Take Chase in the first and we'll reverse this"
I don't want Eli to lose this week but I really want Chase Young.
Who is Missy Elliot? Is she related to Mama Cass? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:29:55 GMT -5
If one move in our draft position or one player makes that much difference for our future, we are in bigger trouble than we think. Nah. 1 great player on a team makes a huge difference to all teams. Take Mahommes off the Chiefs are they the same? Take Donald off the Rams, Bosa off the 49ers, Brady off the Pats. One guy can and does make a huge difference all the time. Brady is actually not Brady this year. Their Defense is winning the games |
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 10:29:44 GMT -5
A bit extreme. Brady and Donald are HOF. There are a few other player beside Bosa contributing on defense. Mahomes is playing at a HOF level. The QB is the one guy who wins Super Bowls. He said one player won't make a difference and that is what I disagree with. If you take the best player off any D they would not be nearly the same. Even the terrible Raiders D with Khalil Mack on it was 20th, they lost him the next year and dropped to 32nd. They would have dropper farther but we ran out of teams to rank above them lol.
My team has 2 wins should I not try to get excited about anything? Sorry man I won't be one of those posters that just comes here to bitch about everything.
One player can make a difference. The problem is you cant know who that is before the draft. A couple years ago it was supposed to be Rosen. Where is he now? How about Murray? Should we have traded up for him? What we are talking about here is if the team should lose on purpose (tank) to get one specific college player. Now there are articles saying he will stay in college. So should we still tank? It's just silly talk to me. |
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 17:44:14 GMT -5
Was Bosa the only new player on the 49's D? My point is it's never just one player. Of course it is never just one player, but not getting a great player isn't a good plan either lol. Hopefully we add more than one player to the D. |
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 17:45:39 GMT -5
One player can make a difference. The problem is you cant know who that is before the draft. A couple years ago it was supposed to be Rosen. Where is he now? How about Murray? Should we have traded up for him? What we are talking about here is if the team should lose on purpose (tank) to get one specific college player. Now there are articles saying he will stay in college. So should we still tank? It's just silly talk to me. Just to be clear...again...I am in no way suggesting our team lose on purpose.
I also was 100% against taking Rosen.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 17:46:58 GMT -5
Nah. 1 great player on a team makes a huge difference to all teams. Take Mahommes off the Chiefs are they the same? Take Donald off the Rams, Bosa off the 49ers, Brady off the Pats. One guy can and does make a huge difference all the time. Brady is actually not Brady this year. Their Defense is winning the games They have always won with their D. They have zero SB wins without a top 10 D and most of the time they had a top 5 D. I agree Brady is not the same player, been saying he's going downhill for a while now. |
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Post by titowooten on Dec 14, 2019 17:59:00 GMT -5
Someone asked me as a Giants fan if I thought it was worth it (all this losing) if it meant we picked Chase Young (Finally a first round LB). Then that Missy Elliot song came on the radio...I'm not sure the exact lyrics but I think she says
"is it worth it? Let Dave work it. Take Chase in the first and we'll reverse this"
I don't want Eli to lose this week but I really want Chase Young.
I don't think Chase Young really counts as a first round LB. Firstly we have no idea if we're sticking with a 3-4 next season after the assumed firing of Shurmur (or at the very least Bettcher) and secondly even though he would technically be an OLB for our team if we do stick with the 3-4 he would be considered EDGE or a DE at the draft and not an OLB. |
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 18:51:12 GMT -5
I don't think Chase Young really counts as a first round LB. Firstly we have no idea if we're sticking with a 3-4 next season after the assumed firing of Shurmur (or at the very least Bettcher) and secondly even though he would technically be an OLB for our team if we do stick with the 3-4 he would be considered EDGE or a DE at the draft and not an OLB. We are not firing Shurmur, possibly Bettcher; but that does not really matter since we are a hybrid D anyway.
Does LT count as a LB though? He would be an "edge" in today's world. Either way I don't care what position he plays as long as he can hit the QB for us.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 19:12:58 GMT -5
I don't think Chase Young really counts as a first round LB. Firstly we have no idea if we're sticking with a 3-4 next season after the assumed firing of Shurmur (or at the very least Bettcher) and secondly even though he would technically be an OLB for our team if we do stick with the 3-4 he would be considered EDGE or a DE at the draft and not an OLB. We are not firing Shurmur, possibly Bettcher; but that does not really matter since we are a hybrid D anyway.
Does LT count as a LB though? He would be an "edge" in today's world. Either way I don't care what position he plays as long as he can hit the QB for us.
We are not firing Shurmur? |
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 19:15:43 GMT -5
We are not firing Shurmur? I guess I am the last person that thinks he will stay here. I just think he was brought in to groom Jones and he needs a year or two working with Jones to really judge him in that regard. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Dec 14, 2019 19:16:29 GMT -5
The draft may be a crap shoot, but I'd rather my team be picking from the top of the crap. It's all about probabilities and while no player is guaranteed, there is still a higher probability of success the higher you pick...regardless of how significant the difference.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 14, 2019 19:29:31 GMT -5
Whatever transpires, NYG MUST replace Solder at LT. Honestly looking at the season, there were several game changing plays attributed to Solder failure. The latest was the flea flicker last Monday nite. Most of the WRs were beyond the defense.
This shouldn't have surprised us, as it was in the pre season when DJ got destroyed the play before he made a great throw to Slayton. Solder whiffed on that one. I'm not sure, but I think most of DJs blindside fumbles came from Solder missed blocks.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 15, 2019 13:07:01 GMT -5
Someone asked me as a Giants fan if I thought it was worth it (all this losing) if it meant we picked Chase Young (Finally a first round LB). Then that Missy Elliot song came on the radio...I'm not sure the exact lyrics but I think she says
"is it worth it? Let Dave work it. Take Chase in the first and we'll reverse this"
I don't want Eli to lose this week but I really want Chase Young.
I stopped caring about wins and losses several weeks ago. I root for us to win and just move onto the rest of my day after the usual loss. I also really want Chase Young as well. It will take us losing out to get him though IMO. |
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Post by soflo on Dec 15, 2019 13:17:16 GMT -5
a lot of times people get so caught up in one prospect they forget all the blue chip guys usually are found in the late first or second and third rounds.
we did a lot of losing in 2015 for ereck flowers. not on this level, but still a lot of losing.
would cleveland say all that losing was worth miles garrett getting low double digit sacks? i'm not sure they would because they clearly need more from him than that.
we might actually be a better football team trading back to acquire more picks over staying put for the sexy prospect.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 15, 2019 13:22:30 GMT -5
We still need a LOT more then a Chase Young... 2 tackles Center Running back that goes north and south and has vision... Wide Receiver, cause the talent in the draft says so QB...in another few years ...how's that Baker, Jackson, Darnold and Josh Allen working out the last few weeks? Safety..Linebackers Possibly anther corner...change that now, yes another corner Tight End By this outlook every team in the NFL needs everything. I agree the talent in the draft dictates us finding a WR at some point. We are good at RB, could use a back up of course. We are set at QB or nothing else matters. I think C is the biggest need on the OL, then RT. Solder is serviceable for the time being. Peppers and Love at S are more than fine. LBs is the obvious one.
Your assumption here is that there are no players worth keeping on this team and that is something I completely disagree with. Add a Chase Young to this D and they would look completely different. The 49ers went from the 28th worst D to the 3rd in one year by adding a Joey Bosa. I know it isn't that simple all the time but the single greatest impact on a D is adding a pass rusher and Young is a supreme talent.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 15, 2019 16:57:18 GMT -5
By this outlook every team in the NFL needs everything. I agree the talent in the draft dictates us finding a WR at some point. We are good at RB, could use a back up of course. We are set at QB or nothing else matters. I think C is the biggest need on the OL, then RT. Solder is serviceable for the time being. Peppers and Love at S are more than fine. LBs is the obvious one.
Your assumption here is that there are no players worth keeping on this team and that is something I completely disagree with. Add a Chase Young to this D and they would look completely different. The 49ers went from the 28th worst D to the 3rd in one year by adding a Joey Bosa. I know it isn't that simple all the time but the single greatest impact on a D is adding a pass rusher and Young is a supreme talent.
I don’t agree I go back and forth with RT and C. I just think a great center can really effect an OL. IMO if Solder is the worst player on the line we would be ok, that's not the case though. It is also much harder to find a LT in this world, so if all we can find is a C and a RT I would be ok going with Solder as the LT next year. |
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 15, 2019 17:04:53 GMT -5
We are not firing Shurmur, possibly Bettcher; but that does not really matter since we are a hybrid D anyway.
I said this awhile ago and got jumped! Well at least there are two of us 
IMO I just think he was brought in for the very specific purpose of grooming out next QB and until he has a season or two to do that I think his job is safe. Lets see what Jones looks like next year.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 15, 2019 17:13:26 GMT -5
If the Redskins end up at 2 and we end up at 3, our consolation prize will be the option of trading down to a QB hungry team and getting a bunch of picks. Given our list of needs, that may actually be better.
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