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Post by soflo on Dec 14, 2019 12:30:47 GMT -5
I like that guy in general, but he did just totally change his opinion over 3 or 4 week of football.... So the guy can't be wrong and admit it? Tough crowd. Yeah, but in the last video he made defending Shurmur he called NY fans "reactionary" and said people calling for Shurmur to be fired were idiots. Kudos to him for admitting he was wrong, but that's why you don't go around labeling people for their opinion. Because they might be right and you might be wrong.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 12:32:56 GMT -5
So the guy can't be wrong and admit it? Tough crowd. Yeah, but in the last video he made defending Shurmur he called NY fans "reactionary" and said people calling for Shurmur to be fired were idiots. Kudos to him for admitting he was wrong, but that's why you don't go around labeling people for their opinion. Because they might be right and you might be wrong. 👍
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 14, 2019 12:33:31 GMT -5
I think his above initial video made a lot more sense.
His new idea is to demote Shurmur to offensive coordinator is out there. Then he went on to say Shurmur isn't a good coach because he isn't "feared"...After watching his other videos I have a hard time believing he truly believes that.
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Post by soflo on Dec 14, 2019 12:38:35 GMT -5
I think his above initial video made a lot more sense. His new idea is to demote Shurmur to offensive coordinator is out there. Then he went on to say Shurmur isn't a good coach because he isn't "feared"...After watching his other videos I have a hard to he truly believes that. It's sort of back peddling but I don't think it's actually that out there. He thinks it's bad for Daniel Jones to change the offensive continuity this early in his career. He used Wade Phillips in Dallas as an example of how you could continue that continuity while making a needed head coaching change. He's also right to say Shurmur would be a fool to decline because he's done as a head coach and it doesn't make sense to uproot his family somewhere else just to take the same job. Unless his ego is so hurt that he can't stay.
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Post by scoostraw on Dec 14, 2019 13:13:22 GMT -5
I Admit It, Pat Shurmur Shouldn’t Be A Head Coach You are getting there my friend.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 14, 2019 13:20:35 GMT -5
Even as late as mid November I was still willing to give Shurmur that 2020 year to see what we could do with a third top five draft class and a big free agent period, but 2-11 provides absolutely no justification for keeping a guy around. His coaching decisions and the level of preparedness have nothing to do with what we're lacking in personnel. And this team isn't talentless. The 1995 team...that team was talentless. This team isn't and yet the '95 team would smoke these guys. Matt Rhule or Ron Rivera. Exactly, I don't care about lack of talent or perceived lack of talent. Its the fundamental things that this team doesn't do, and being out coached in every game. We lost to Philadelphia because we were out coached. I don't think there is any question about that. DP played PS like a fiddle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:30:05 GMT -5
I Admit It, Pat Shurmur Shouldn’t Be A Head Coach You are getting there my friend. I didn't say that, it's the name of the video. I have never been sold on Shurmur. I said the Giants would give him at least another year after drafting a new QB. I believe that would be a mistake.
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Post by scoostraw on Dec 14, 2019 14:32:31 GMT -5
You are getting there my friend. I didn't say that, it's the name of the video. I have never been sold on Shurmur. I said the Giants would give him at least another year after drafting a new QB. I believe that would be a mistake. It astounds me how bad he is.
I can't help but wonder what the **** they saw in him that caused them to hire him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:34:57 GMT -5
I didn't say that, it's the name of the video. I have never been sold on Shurmur. I said the Giants would give him at least another year after drafting a new QB. I believe that would be a mistake. It astounds me how bad he is.
I can't help but wonder what the **** they saw in him that caused them to hire him.
Case Keenum. That's it. I don't think he pays any attention to anything else but his OC duties during the game. He looks lost
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Post by scoostraw on Dec 14, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -5
It astounds me how bad he is.
I can't help but wonder what the **** they saw in him that caused them to hire him.
Case Keenum. That's it. If that's true (and it probably is), then Mara & Co. are guilty of not doing their due diligence. Shame on them.
I mean this is a guy who was head coach of another team. Did they not look at what he did there on a game-by-game basis?
Ok I'm ranting....!
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Post by jaymas on Dec 14, 2019 14:52:33 GMT -5
I think a Rivera hire could be very much like a Coughlin hire in 04. Would be similar resumes at the time of hiring. I'd support the move too. But I'm really on the Matt Rhule train. Something about a guy who did what he did at Temple and Baylor makes me think he's got the non Xs and Os qualities of being a head coach in spades. Admittedly I don’t know a lot about him, just a little. But a college program’s success is 100% predicated upon recruiting. Recruiting is vastly different than NFL roster management. That’s my biggest fear with giving a NCAA guy his first NFL HC gig. Yes, I don't totally disagree, but he inhereted zero natural recruiting power many larger programs have. So he compelled talent to join what he was building and in the case of a school like Temple was winning football with inferior talent. Also it's not like it's unheard of for college coaches to be successful in the NFL.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 14, 2019 15:18:06 GMT -5
It astounds me how bad he is.
I can't help but wonder what the **** they saw in him that caused them to hire him.
Case Keenum. That's it. I don't think he pays any attention to anything else but his OC duties during the game. He looks lost And he hasn't been particularly good at that either.
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Post by jb456 on Dec 14, 2019 15:41:48 GMT -5
I was in give the guy another year camp but he has lost me. I don't think Shurmer has a friend on this board.
The Giants need to cut the turd loose and ger a real coach...
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Post by jppt1974 on Dec 14, 2019 15:47:01 GMT -5
Yeah as really think that he should be only regulated to being a assistant there.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 14, 2019 16:38:47 GMT -5
This all gets to part of my criticism of JM as a terrible CEO. What exactly was it in Shurmur's background as a HC that led JM to believe he would be successful in that role here? We are the NY Giants and shouldn't have to take wild ass chances on unproven commodities. Bad managers tend to hire people (Shurmur in this case) based on how they interview rather than cold hard facts. I think the owners knew they were going to be bringing in a new young QB and wanted the QB whisperer to help in his development, so much for that idea...
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Post by GameTime on Dec 14, 2019 17:00:04 GMT -5
It didnt work.
Time to move on. The "why's" dont matter.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 14, 2019 17:05:33 GMT -5
I would love Pat to become OC for continuity I could actually see that happening if Shurmur would accept a coaching position, doubtful though...
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Post by Nite on Dec 14, 2019 17:35:36 GMT -5
"Is Pat Schumur a good decision maker? " "I don't know..." I stop watching the video from that point. He is a young kid doesn't know much or really doesn't watch the games He meant that more in the context of outside of football. As in coaches need to be more than just decision makers on the field as well as off. If you listened you'd hear that he says he's not a good decision maker on the field. So clearly, making assumptions works out really well for you. Cool personal attack .... for you! emoji
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 17:57:54 GMT -5
Admittedly I don’t know a lot about him, just a little. But a college program’s success is 100% predicated upon recruiting. Recruiting is vastly different than NFL roster management. That’s my biggest fear with giving a NCAA guy his first NFL HC gig. Yes, I don't totally disagree, but he inhereted zero natural recruiting power many larger programs have. So he compelled talent to join what he was building and in the case of a school like Temple was winning football with inferior talent. Also it's not like it's unheard of for college coaches to be successful in the NFL.For those who had no real prior NFL coaching experience, it is kind of rare.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 18:09:40 GMT -5
I think there is zero chance he becomes OC for the Giants under a new HC.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 14, 2019 18:13:43 GMT -5
I think there is zero chance he becomes OC for the Giants under a new HC. I agree, talk about an uncomfortable situation for the new guy to come into. If they let him go, make it a clean break, best for all parties.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 18:14:32 GMT -5
I think there is zero chance he becomes OC for the Giants under a new HC. Agreed. DR will want to pick his coaches, which means Bettcher is likely done too. I prefer a HC picks his staff rather than management.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 14, 2019 18:44:18 GMT -5
Really ridiculous recommendation, fire shurmur as HC, bring in Ron Rivera, and make him hire Shurmur as OC? Lol what a joke. No need for anyone to watch that stinky video now that I've given away the punch line
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 19:07:49 GMT -5
Am I the only one that does not think Shurmur is going to get fired?
He was brought in to groom our next QB. How well he does that will determine how well Jones performs and that will determine how well this team does. We will see what Jones does next year and go from there. I highly doubt they can the HC now and potentially retard stunt Jones' development.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 19:14:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one that does not think Shurmur is going to get fired? He was brought in to groom our next QB. How well he does that will determine how well Jones performs and that will determine how well this team does. We will see what Jones does next year and go from there. I highly doubt they can the HC now and potentially retard stunt Jones' development. Shurmur is gone.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 19:18:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one that does not think Shurmur is going to get fired? He was brought in to groom our next QB. How well he does that will determine how well Jones performs and that will determine how well this team does. We will see what Jones does next year and go from there. I highly doubt they can the HC now and potentially retard stunt Jones' development. Shurmur is gone. We shall see.
If the last two years ("no one will ever take a RB at #2" and "No chance we take Jones at #6") have taught us anything it's that nothing is certain. I would bet money Shurmur stays.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 20:01:45 GMT -5
We shall see.
If the last two years ("no one will ever take a RB at #2" and "No chance we take Jones at #6") have taught us anything it's that nothing is certain. I would bet money Shurmur stays. I can absolutely see them hanging onto Shurmur for another season. I've been saying it all year. It's the Giants way of doing things. Continuity and players playing hard despite losing.....but i think it would be a mistake. As the season went on and the mistakes piled up, and the chatter starting in the lockerroom....I believe they are moving on. Ron Rivera getting fired sealed that deal. He will be our next HC
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 20:09:18 GMT -5
I can absolutely see them hanging onto Shurmur for another season. I've been saying it all year. It's the Giants way of doing things. Continuity and players playing hard despite losing.....but i think it would be a mistake. As the season went on and the mistakes piled up, and the chatter starting in the lockerroom....I believe they are moving on. Ron Rivera getting fired sealed that deal. He will be our next HC I am a big...huge Ron Rivera fan and would love for him to come here. However I do not think he is the right guy to groom Jones to play QB in the NFL. I could see him taking the DC job if they fired Bettcher. I'm not convinced they fire him either though. The fact they the GM fired the biggest talker in the locker room says he is on the coaches side, at least a little bit in this thing.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 20:15:22 GMT -5
I can absolutely see them hanging onto Shurmur for another season. I've been saying it all year. It's the Giants way of doing things. Continuity and players playing hard despite losing.....but i think it would be a mistake. As the season went on and the mistakes piled up, and the chatter starting in the lockerroom....I believe they are moving on. Ron Rivera getting fired sealed that deal. He will be our next HC I am a big...huge Ron Rivera fan and would love for him to come here. However I do not think he is the right guy to groom Jones to play QB in the NFL. I could see him taking the DC job if they fired Bettcher. I'm not convinced they fire him either though. The fact they the GM fired the biggest talker in the locker room says he is on the coaches side, at least a little bit in this thing. lol ... Rivera is not taking a DC job under an ass clown head coach like Shurmur
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 20:17:59 GMT -5
We shall see.
If the last two years ("no one will ever take a RB at #2" and "No chance we take Jones at #6") have taught us anything it's that nothing is certain. I would bet money Shurmur stays. I can absolutely see them hanging onto Shurmur for another season. I've been saying it all year. It's the Giants way of doing things. Continuity and players playing hard despite losing.....but i think it would be a mistake. As the season went on and the mistakes piled up, and the chatter starting in the lockerroom....I believe they are moving on. Ron Rivera getting fired sealed that deal. He will be our next HC I actually like Rivera, but his hiring seems like more of the old Giants way that has not worked for a while
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