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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:29 GMT -5
He's anti Tank!
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 14, 2019 15:57:05 GMT -5
Andrew Thomas Welcome to the Giants. This has turned into a Gettlemen thread lol. Mods can we make a Gettlemen main thread kind of like the Eli thread. I agree. The “eat shit and die” area seems fitting. What do you think?
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Post by mj312 on Dec 14, 2019 16:15:07 GMT -5
Please don't trade down .. we have enough average players .. we need high first round talent . I know we have needs everywhere but the priority has to be defense .. we can't stop anybody , we have literally made every QB that we played this year look amazing ! We made instant pro bowlers out of trubinski , cousins , darnold, and Wentz.. prior to playing us they were all horrible .. after they dominate the giants they are loaded with swag and confidence .. this is sickening
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 14, 2019 16:24:43 GMT -5
I think there is a zero percent chance Chase Young stays in college. He is projected to go #1 or #2. Why would he stay? Chase Young knows that he may be looking at a one time opportunity, if he stays one more year he could be injured and never be the same player again and there goes the missed chance at NFL greatness....
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Post by GameTime on Dec 14, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -5
Here’s a scenario. Bengals take Chase Young. Whoever our GM is has a “HOF” grade on Burrow. Do we take Burrow and shop Jones? Or do we shop the pick to Burrow lovers and load up on picks even though we think he’s better than Jones? and why wouldn't the Bengals take Burrows. Seems like you think he is the next NFL super star QB
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 16:58:45 GMT -5
Here’s a scenario. Bengals take Chase Young. Whoever our GM is has a “HOF” grade on Burrow. Do we take Burrow and shop Jones? Or do we shop the pick to Burrow lovers and load up on picks even though we think he’s better than Jones? and why wouldn't the Bengals take Burrows. Seems like you think he is the next NFL super star QB When is the last time the Bengals made a good decision?
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Dec 14, 2019 17:00:15 GMT -5
I'd hope players look at Justin Herbert as an example to not stay another year in college.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:29:45 GMT -5
Fake news.........as they say
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 17:34:05 GMT -5
1. He’s definitely declaring for the draft 2. I’m still not sold as he’s the most valuable piece for us. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a beast but our OL, despite all the moves by Gettleman and chatter by fans, is still dismal. Taking Thomas might very well be the better move anyway. I actually think that’s how it will end up working out...not because we will pass on Young, but because we’ll win a couple of meaningless games here at the end to put us out of the running for Young. We might still be high enough to take Thomas or one of the top OT’s
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Post by southerner on Dec 14, 2019 18:18:57 GMT -5
Whenever I've heard any legitimate analyst get asked about the question about Young over Thomas, the words "Chase Young" come out before the question is even finished being asked. Yeah, but after the combine and everything else that could change. Maybe it won’t but there is a long way to go until the draft and even this season. The Giants could very easily win the next two games, then the whole situation changes dramatically. I am always very wary of these December “can’t miss” declarations for the NFL draft.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 14, 2019 18:41:23 GMT -5
I'm actually not sold on him being that much of a difference maker in the NFL anyway. He looks a bit undersized, almost more like a LB/tweener type. Doesn't display the same kind of raw power bosas did in college imo either. I think we can do better even if he's available when we draft
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 18:50:31 GMT -5
I'm actually not sold on him being that much of a difference maker in the NFL anyway. He looks a bit undersized, almost more like a LB/tweener type. Doesn't display the same kind of raw power bosas did in college imo either. I think we can do better even if he's available when we draft HAHA
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 18:54:02 GMT -5
1. He’s definitely declaring for the draft 2. I’m still not sold as he’s the most valuable piece for us. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a beast but our OL, despite all the moves by Gettleman and chatter by fans, is still dismal. Taking Thomas might very well be the better move anyway. I would love to get Chase because I have always love the D side of the ball and I think he would have the biggest immediate impact on our W/L next year. However taking Thomas, if he ends up being as good as I think he can, would be a huge piece for this O. IMO can't go wrong either way.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 18:57:29 GMT -5
Here’s a scenario. Bengals take Chase Young. Whoever our GM is has a “HOF” grade on Burrow. Do we take Burrow and shop Jones? Or do we shop the pick to Burrow lovers and load up on picks even though we think he’s better than Jones? You trade back all day long from that pick. If our GM takes a new QB this year that is admitting he was wrong last year and needs to be fired. DG and Shurmur are both tied to the success of Jones; they throw him overboard and they go with him. I don't think the Bengals would pass on Burrow though. If you have a chance to get your franchise QB you pass on anyone else (just like we did last year).
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 19:02:15 GMT -5
I'm actually not sold on him being that much of a difference maker in the NFL anyway. He looks a bit undersized, almost more like a LB/tweener type. Doesn't display the same kind of raw power bosas did in college imo either. I think we can do better even if he's available when we draft Tweener between what? A LB and DE...kind of like exactly what you want as an OLB in a 3-4 that can drop down to DE if needed? Sort of like Markus Golden +2" and 5 pounds...
I had some doubts going into the season without Nick Bosa being on the D with him I didn't know how he would do. All he did was set the world on fire and get in the running for the Heisman. Chase Young is a beast.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 19:23:59 GMT -5
Here’s a scenario. Bengals take Chase Young. Whoever our GM is has a “HOF” grade on Burrow. Do we take Burrow and shop Jones? Or do we shop the pick to Burrow lovers and load up on picks even though we think he’s better than Jones? You trade back all day long from that pick. If our GM takes a new QB this year that is admitting he was wrong last year and needs to be fired. DG and Shurmur are both tied to the success of Jones; they throw him overboard and they go with him. I don't think the Bengals would pass on Burrow though. If you have a chance to get your franchise QB you pass on anyone else (just like we did last year). I’m saying if DG and Shurmur are fired
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 19:28:00 GMT -5
You trade back all day long from that pick. If our GM takes a new QB this year that is admitting he was wrong last year and needs to be fired. DG and Shurmur are both tied to the success of Jones; they throw him overboard and they go with him. I don't think the Bengals would pass on Burrow though. If you have a chance to get your franchise QB you pass on anyone else (just like we did last year). I’m saying if DG and Shurmur are fired Ahh. In that case I would bet the new GM would take Burrows and have "his guy".
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 21:31:37 GMT -5
Whenever I've heard any legitimate analyst get asked about the question about Young over Thomas, the words "Chase Young" come out before the question is even finished being asked. Yeah, but after the combine and everything else that could change. Maybe it won’t but there is a long way to go until the draft and even this season. The Giants could very easily win the next two games, then the whole situation changes dramatically. I am always very wary of these December “can’t miss” declarations for the NFL draft. Me too.
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Post by Nullusion on Dec 14, 2019 21:55:15 GMT -5
We still have a chance at getting the first overall pick over the Bengals if they win a game or two to finish the season.
I really don't see Young returning regardless of what he says. He still has some games to play and would probably rather have the focus on that and OSU right now than what he's going to do next season.
Also he kind of disappeared in a couple of games after a mostly dominant season. Have teams figured out to game plan against him effectively? He seems to be a game changer but you don't want to pick a Vernon Gholston with the second pick.
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Dec 14, 2019 21:57:10 GMT -5
Draft Young, sign Clowney, re-sign Golden, move Carter to ILB.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 14, 2019 22:02:00 GMT -5
Draft Young, sign Clowney, re-sign Golden, move Carter to ILB. OMG SIGN EVERYONE GETTY YOU STOOOOOOPID INGRATE
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 22:02:49 GMT -5
This has turned into a Gettlemen thread lol. Mods can we make a Gettlemen main thread kind of like the Eli thread. I agree. The “eat shit and die” area seems fitting. What do you think? silence shhhhhhhhhhhh it is golden .
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Dec 14, 2019 22:03:23 GMT -5
Draft Young, sign Clowney, re-sign Golden, move Carter to ILB. OMG SIGN EVERYONE GETTY YOU STOOOOOOPID INGRATE I literally just said to sign Clowney
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 22:04:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but after the combine and everything else that could change. Maybe it won’t but there is a long way to go until the draft and even this season. The Giants could very easily win the next two games, then the whole situation changes dramatically. I am always very wary of these December “can’t miss” declarations for the NFL draft. Me too. me 3
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 22:13:19 GMT -5
Here’s a scenario. Bengals take Chase Young. Whoever our GM is has a “HOF” grade on Burrow. Do we take Burrow and shop Jones? Or do we shop the pick to Burrow lovers and load up on picks even though we think he’s better than Jones? You trade back all day long from that pick. If our GM takes a new QB this year that is admitting he was wrong last year and needs to be fired. DG and Shurmur are both tied to the success of Jones; they throw him overboard and they go with him. I don't think the Bengals would pass on Burrow though. If you have a chance to get your franchise QB you pass on anyone else (just like we did last year). I think were in situation where the coach and his staff are gonna go, Don't think the GM will be going. who knows maybe they make a clean sweep I doubt it.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 22:48:50 GMT -5
1. He’s definitely declaring for the draft 2. I’m still not sold as he’s the most valuable piece for us. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a beast but our OL, despite all the moves by Gettleman and chatter by fans, is still dismal. Taking Thomas might very well be the better move anyway. I would love to get Chase because I have always love the D side of the ball and I think he would have the biggest immediate impact on our W/L next year. However taking Thomas, if he ends up being as good as I think he can, would be a huge piece for this O. IMO can't go wrong either way. I'm all about defense too. But we've invested decently (moreso if we sign Williams) into the DL. We have a young #6 overall franchise QB. We have a young #2 overall RB. We need to invest into our OL, namely the LT position to help with those two investments.
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Post by giants38 on Dec 14, 2019 23:03:31 GMT -5
A fan on another forum said not to worry if he returns to college. The Giants will draft him with the first pick in 2021.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Dec 14, 2019 23:09:43 GMT -5
He’s not staying in college. Just deflecting to avoid draft talk before his season is over
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 15, 2019 7:07:06 GMT -5
A fan on another forum said not to worry if he returns to college. The Giants will draft him with the first pick in 2021. no, that would be Trevor Lawrence. How about this scenario - 2019 pick DJ with #6. 2020 - Pick Burrow with #2. 2021 - Pick Lawrence with #1. We'll work our way up the food chain...
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 15, 2019 7:41:55 GMT -5
I would love to get Chase because I have always love the D side of the ball and I think he would have the biggest immediate impact on our W/L next year. However taking Thomas, if he ends up being as good as I think he can, would be a huge piece for this O. IMO can't go wrong either way. I'm all about defense too. But we've invested decently (moreso if we sign Williams) into the DL. We have a young #6 overall franchise QB. We have a young #2 overall RB. We need to invest into our OL, namely the LT position to help with those two investments. That's fair, but as you point out we spent the 6 on QB and the 2 on RB. Most of our high draft picks (we have had a lot the last few years) have gone to the offense. Its well documented we havent spent a 1st on a LB since 84. I would be fine with getting Thomas but also think DG can find OL help in other rounds. As a GM that really is his strength. I don't have the confidence he can find a very good pass rusher later in the draft.
Andrew Thomas is a hell of a player though.
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