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Post by TCHOF on Dec 19, 2019 8:18:50 GMT -5
Is that true? Flowers is outplaying Hernandez? I think he definitly outplayed Zietler this season too. Good grief. Hal Hunter is the ultimate screw up. That article said Flowers is ranked 32/64 guards, Hernandez is # 44. Our Hog Molly GM is a fraud. Would you rather have Flowers at guard or Hernandez?
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 19, 2019 8:22:43 GMT -5
Flowers outplaying Hernandez sums up the Dave Gettleman era for me. Really nothing else to add, except FIRE GETTLEMAN. Is that true? Flowers is outplaying Hernandez? I think he definitly outplayed Zietler this season too. Good grief. Hal Hunter is the ultimate screw up. He’s not outplaying Zeitler
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 19, 2019 8:29:03 GMT -5
Is that true? Flowers is outplaying Hernandez? I think he definitly outplayed Zietler this season too. Good grief. Hal Hunter is the ultimate screw up. He’s not outplaying Zeitler Zeitler has been pretty bad this year. Partially due to his injury Im sure. Also probably the fact he is sandwiched between a Halapio and Remmers doesnt help him..
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 19, 2019 8:38:02 GMT -5
He’s not outplaying Zeitler Zeitler has been pretty bad this year. Partially due to his injury Im sure. Also probably the fact he is sandwiched between a Halapio and Remmers doesnt help him.. What??? Have no idea what you’re watching. He’s been our best OL by far. He had not performed up to his usual level (likely due to injury), but he has by no means been “bad”
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 19, 2019 8:41:31 GMT -5
My lord.....not sure where to start.....the fact that this is an NY Post article or what's even worse that the article is citing PFF which is the biggest joke outlet on the planet. Mindboggling that posters and worse yet "journalists" source it. Use your friggin eyes people. Flowers was hot garbage here.....he needed a new scene because the damage to his confidence was already done here.....he would've failed at G here too (IMO).
I haven't watched him play for the Redskins but my guess is he's hot garbage there too.......regardless of what Pfffffffffffffft says.
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Post by jimmieray on Dec 19, 2019 8:43:13 GMT -5
His biggest problem was moving his feet, and he was always a decent run blocker. So...the logical conclusion was to move him to Guard, where his poor feet were not as much of an issue inside. Many of us were saying to try him there, which some scoffed at. To me this is another indictment on the coaching staff. Why after picking him where you did, would you not exhaust every option? Funny how it all seems so simple, in retrospect. Can I assume that Tackles generally need to move side to side well, and Guards need more forward push?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 19, 2019 8:46:06 GMT -5
Zeitler has been pretty bad this year. Partially due to his injury Im sure. Also probably the fact he is sandwiched between a Halapio and Remmers doesnt help him.. What??? Have no idea what you’re watching. He’s been our best OL by far.He had not performed up to his usual level (likely due to injury), but he has by no means been “bad” Yeah, thats not saying much.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 19, 2019 9:04:58 GMT -5
That article said Flowers is ranked 32/64 guards, Hernandez is # 44. Our Hog Molly GM is a fraud. Would you rather have Flowers at guard or Hernandez? C) Flowers at G and the round 2 we used on Hernandez
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 19, 2019 9:10:21 GMT -5
He wasnt only bad, he had an attitude problem. He needed to go, glad he is playing better.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 19, 2019 9:13:14 GMT -5
Would you rather have Flowers at guard or Hernandez? C) Flowers at G and the round 2 we used on Hernandez HAHAHA For Pete’s sake
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Post by jay051 on Dec 19, 2019 9:13:53 GMT -5
I still cannot believe we took Flowers when we took him. So many mind boggling picks for so many years......smh. You mean when we were having tons of trouble with our OL you can't believe they took the second best OT at pick 9? Yeah what a dumb move trying to fix the OL. Fools all of them. Wasn't Flowers a RT in college??
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 19, 2019 9:14:40 GMT -5
He wasnt only bad, he had an attitude problem. He needed to go, glad he is playing better. Good luck to the team out there that decides to give this guy real money after this season
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Post by jay051 on Dec 19, 2019 9:14:57 GMT -5
Flowers outplaying Hernandez sums up the Dave Gettleman era for me. Really nothing else to add, except FIRE GETTLEMAN. Huh?? How was Flowers playing while he was here?? I don't get this logic at all.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 19, 2019 9:16:20 GMT -5
He should’ve been put at guard in Year 2. But the Giants kept forcing him to play a position he wasn’t good at. I don’t know why they never even tried him at guard. He was a terrible LT but could’ve been a solid guard. because they drafted as a top ten foundational left tackle.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 19, 2019 9:23:29 GMT -5
One other thing they have a film review of him on BBV. He has all the same issues they are just hidden better inside he's a vet he is what he is. For those who are comparing him to Hernandez. Will H has had many more pass pro downs and hasn't given up a sack and is a 2nd year player not a 5 year vet and just a few points different then Flowers. Hernandez will do all he needs to do to get better and isn't a top 10 pick.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 19, 2019 9:49:24 GMT -5
Flowers outplaying Hernandez sums up the Dave Gettleman era for me. Really nothing else to add, except FIRE GETTLEMAN. Huh?? How was Flowers playing while he was here?? I don't get this logic at all. Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 19, 2019 9:50:44 GMT -5
Not that we needed anymore fodder. But if this isn’t an indictment on Hal Turner... Flowers failed with Pat Flaherty and Mike Solari. Who are both well respected offensive line coaches in this league. As for Flowers, let some dumb team pay him a contract, I hope it’s the Redskins and they give him a 6 year deal with a blank check.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 19, 2019 9:59:10 GMT -5
Not that we needed anymore fodder. But if this isn’t an indictment on Hal Turner... Flowers failed with Pat Flaherty and Mike Solari. Who are both well respected offensive line coaches in this league. As for Flowers, let some dumb team pay him a contract, I hope it’s the Redskins and they give him a 6 year deal with a blank check. Great point Kruunch Flaherty probably lost his Job over this Flowers mess. This kid was supposed to be a foundational top 10 pick not an average Guard. It is easy for Callahan to like him and kind of rub it in the Giants face. They don't have much invested in him he has an Omameh type deal not a starters money.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 19, 2019 10:02:13 GMT -5
He's graded out better than Will Hernandez this season but that's none of my business Good for him deciding to finally apply himself, getting that second contract is a huge motivator.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 19, 2019 10:07:57 GMT -5
Is that true? Flowers is outplaying Hernandez? I think he definitly outplayed Zietler this season too. Good grief. Hal Hunter is the ultimate screw up. He’s not outplaying Zeitler Get with it, everything everyone else does is great. Everything the Giants do sucks. if you’re gonna fit in you might want to work on your self loathing.
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Post by Roswell on Dec 19, 2019 10:08:10 GMT -5
I’m happy for him but i don’t care what the pff numbers are on Flowers.
He never improved, started creating some stuff in the locker room with his buddy Hart, and this board positively celebrated when he was let go.
For all we know, they gave him a go at guard in practice or he had an attitude about moving inside. We are fans. We are lucky to get half the story.
That said, this coaching staff can’t leave soon enough as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 19, 2019 10:09:23 GMT -5
Huh?? How was Flowers playing while he was here?? I don't get this logic at all. Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 19, 2019 10:09:50 GMT -5
Huh?? How was Flowers playing while he was here?? I don't get this logic at all. Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. How long was Flowers in NY under Gettleman's watch?? I would get your point if DG drafted him. Using Flowers as a reason to axe Gettleman is just off base imo.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 19, 2019 10:10:43 GMT -5
Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich. Rofl....
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 19, 2019 10:18:39 GMT -5
Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich. This is the same person on another forum that bitched out Reese for not trading up to get Garrett Boles in 2017 because "we can't let Flowers be our starter in 2017 at LT" The same Garrett Boles that is still badly undersized and already 27 years old and a major bust in Denver
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Post by Roswell on Dec 19, 2019 10:20:05 GMT -5
Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich. Well to be fair..... He was this close to playing well for us. 😎
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Post by jay051 on Dec 19, 2019 10:25:16 GMT -5
Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich. This is the same person on another forum that bitched out Reese for not trading up to get Garrett Boles in 2017 because "we can't let Flowers be our starter in 2017 at LT" The same Garrett Boles that is still badly undersized and already 27 years old and a major bust in Denver Wow... So he's just throwing a lot of darts just for fun instead of trying to hit the bullseye. Gotcha....
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 19, 2019 10:34:59 GMT -5
Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich. Well to be fair..... He was this close to playing well for us. 😎 I mean Does dominating Taco Charlton count?
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 19, 2019 10:46:40 GMT -5
Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. Flowers was ours!?!? Like the Giants somehow let some gem slip their fingers? lol, that is rich. He’s not a gem, but he’s a young guard playing better then the guard DG spent # 34 on. DG said he’d fix the Oline. He botched flowers. He let Pugh and richburg walk. He could have moved # 2 for a ton of capital and still gotten Nelson or mcglinchey. His results are his results. The team stinks. The area he claimed to be a genius at stinks. Dave Gettleman “Big guys allow you to compete, I know Hog mollies. They’ve gotta have some mean in ‘em, they’ve gotta be able to turn their hips. I know what it looks like.” That is rich.......
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 19, 2019 10:47:29 GMT -5
Flowers was ours for our geniuses to figure out. They moved him to RT. The Skins moved him to G. Why are we the team that can’t make players work? I want to be they other team. The fact the crappy Skins got hi. To play well is even worse. It’s not like it was some greatly run organization. Our front offices have continued to bumbleF this Oline. How long was Flowers in NY under Gettleman's watch?? I would get your point if DG drafted him. Using Flowers as a reason to axe Gettleman is just off base imo. He was here when DG took over and they decided to move him to RT.... Poor judgment
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