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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 23, 2019 10:39:49 GMT -5
So, who are your top 5 prospects?
Im assuming Burrow goes #1 to Cincinnati.
1-Burrow 2-Young 3-Thomas 4-Juedy 5-Okuduh
To me, Young and Thomas are the crown jewels of this draft and we need both of those positions upgraded on this team. I think if we pick 4 or 5 we miss both. Assuming Burrow goes #1, that leaves Juedy and Okuduh as the next 2 great prospects. Unfortunately, I dont want them unless we can move back. Unless Solder and Halapio suddenly become better, and the OL is fixed, Juedy would not translate to getting more wins, much like Odell didnt. Superior talent, but we need to fix the OL first. And as far as Okuduh, he looks like a great talent at CB himself. Problem I have there is we dont have a pass rush. No pass rush, the best CBs in the world get exposed. Plus we took Baker last year, as well as Ballentine and Beal.
I would consider guys like Wirfs, Simmons, Wills as well although they might be reaches. Im a huge fan of Simmons. Huge fan of Lamb as well but only if we trade back.
Ideally we trade back if we are picking 4 or 5 and miss out on Young and Thomas, but I doubt we do that.
So who are your top 5? At least one of them will be available for us to draft.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 23, 2019 10:50:33 GMT -5
1-Burrow 2-Young 3-Thomas 4-D Brown 5-Lamb
Yes I have Lamb higher than Jeudy More consistent with his hands,just as smooth and good route runner,and hasn't had the luxury of having 2 other number 1 receivers on the field with him at all times.
If it goes like this I'm begging a team to trade up even for just a 3rd...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 23, 2019 11:03:53 GMT -5
1-Burrow 2-Young 3-Thomas 4-D Brown 5-Lamb Yes I have Lamb higher than Jeudy More consistent with his hands,just as smooth and good route runner,and hasn't had the luxury of having 2 other number 1 receivers on the field with him at all times. If it goes like this I'm begging a team to trade up even for just a 3rd... Not a bad 5. Like I said, I love CeeDee Lamb a lot. He has superstar written all over him. Ive just been on the Juedy train since last year and he hasnt let me down. Juedy is going to be a beast. I could see Brown being really good too. I hope we dont go there though, just to try to replace Williams if he walks out.
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 23, 2019 11:31:07 GMT -5
I still think a team is going to want to trade up for Tua in the top five even if he doesn't play year one. We should be able to trade back a little bit and get the next best OT after Thomas.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 23, 2019 11:55:00 GMT -5
I still think a team is going to want to trade up for Tua in the top five even if he doesn't play year one. We should be able to trade back a little bit and get the next best OT after Thomas. Herbert has done just enough to stay in the equation as well...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 12:01:37 GMT -5
I still think a team is going to want to trade up for Tua in the top five even if he doesn't play year one. We should be able to trade back a little bit and get the next best OT after Thomas. We can only hope that is the case, but if that hip stops getting blood at any time in his recovery, it becomes another Bo Jackson and a hip replacement...career done. Far too risky for me at least until he gets to show it in action...if I was wanting a QB for the Giants, I would never make a trade up for him at this point..teams will have to create a sweet spot in the pick process regarding risk reward and go from there... Gonna be Burrow, Young...and then it gets interesting. Juedy, Okuduh and Brown could allow us to garner a Thomas...depending on each teams grades and yes, needs. Still a ways to go...have the college playoffs, senior bowl, combines... and many pro days. Now? Me?...for the Giants board? Young Thomas Juedy Okuduh Brown Burrow goes 1 I believe...would not be surprised if we took Juedy if Thomas and Young were taken
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 23, 2019 12:51:43 GMT -5
I still think a team is going to want to trade up for Tua in the top five even if he doesn't play year one. We should be able to trade back a little bit and get the next best OT after Thomas. We can only hope that is the case, but if that hip stops getting blood at any time in his recovery, it becomes another Bo Jackson and a hip replacement...career done. Far too risky for me at least until he gets to show it in action...if I was wanting a QB for the Giants, I would never make a trade up for him at this point..teams will have to create a sweet spot in the pick process regarding risk reward and go from there... Gonna be Burrow, Young...and then it gets interesting. Juedy, Okuduh and Brown could allow us to garner a Thomas...depending on each teams grades and yes, needs. Still a ways to go...have the college playoffs, senior bowl, combines... and many pro days. Now? Me?...for the Giants board? Young Thomas Juedy Okuduh Brown Burrow goes 1 I believe...would not be surprised if we took Juedy if Thomas and Young were taken Imagine this scenario - Bengals take Burrow as many expect, then the Skins pull one and take Thomas. How much would you trade with Detriot to move up for Young, assuming they would trade the pick?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 14:03:43 GMT -5
We can only hope that is the case, but if that hip stops getting blood at any time in his recovery, it becomes another Bo Jackson and a hip replacement...career done. Far too risky for me at least until he gets to show it in action...if I was wanting a QB for the Giants, I would never make a trade up for him at this point..teams will have to create a sweet spot in the pick process regarding risk reward and go from there... Gonna be Burrow, Young...and then it gets interesting. Juedy, Okuduh and Brown could allow us to garner a Thomas...depending on each teams grades and yes, needs. Still a ways to go...have the college playoffs, senior bowl, combines... and many pro days. Now? Me?...for the Giants board? Young Thomas Juedy Okuduh Brown Burrow goes 1 I believe...would not be surprised if we took Juedy if Thomas and Young were taken Imagine this scenario - Bengals take Burrow as many expect, then the Skins pull one and take Thomas. How much would you trade with Detriot to move up for Young, assuming they would trade the pick? I wouldn't...and neither would they. That would put us in the WR/CB...or gasp...lol...excuse for Gettleman to take the DT from Auburn. Wait...
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 23, 2019 15:02:26 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about OT Jedrick Wills? Some are ranking him above Thomas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 15:13:05 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about OT Jedrick Wills? Some are ranking him above Thomas. Dane Brugler? Yeah, I watched a lot of his games ...right tackle for the Tide...not sure he's a left tackle, but we do have a deep OT class. I see him push defenders around...makes lanes...I guess the scouts will have to fine tune him as we go through the draft process, combines and pro days... regarding technique and the rest...so many good offensive tackles. That's why it would be nice to land in a QB draft spot, and then when we have Chase Young gone...do a trade back, and nail both a tackle and possible hit or miss 3 down edge....Thomas looks the part as LT 1, but I'm certain with this deep class somebody will secure a OT2-5 that is a pro bowler at some point.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 23, 2019 15:26:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about OT Jedrick Wills? Some are ranking him above Thomas. Dane Brugler? Yeah, I watched a lot of his games ...right tackle for the Tide...not sure he's a left tackle, but we do have a deep OT class. I see him push defenders around...makes lanes...I guess the scouts will have to fine tune him as we go through the draft process, combines and pro days... regarding technique and the rest...so many good offensive tackles. That's why it would be nice to land in a QB draft spot, and then when we have Chase Young gone...do a trade back, and nail both a tackle and possible hit or miss 3 down edge....Thomas looks the part as LT 1, but I'm certain with this deep class somebody will secure a OT2-5 that is a pro bowler at some point. Yep.
Some other mom's basement guys too ... Matt Miller and a couple of Draft Network Guys ... but Brugler is the only guy that has never worked in the NFL who I have any level of trust in.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Dec 23, 2019 16:55:11 GMT -5
I haven't started looking at anyone yet besides Chase Young, and he looks amazing. However, the positions I believe need to be upgraded are:
1. FS - Bethea has been horrible, I don't see anyone on our roster that I trust here(Peppers and Love both seem to be box safeties) 2. Edge - Getting a beast on the Line would be huge, Carter has started getting more pressures lately, but I would prefer an upgrade here rather than hoping on development. 3. Tackle - Solder has not played well, he hasn't been Flowers bad, but he has still given up sacks/pressures in key moments all year. 4. ILB - Hopefully Tree is replaced by Connelly next year. I'd still like to find a thumper/blitzing ILB, upgrade on Mayo. Mayo has been ok, but he's not a playmaker and he misses too many tackles. 5. Slot Corner - Ballentine has long speed, he doesn't seem to have the short area quickness we need for nickel. 6. WR - Get a young guy in here to compete, hopefully Shepard has a healthy year and Slayton continues to develop. Need someone to push Tate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 18:14:54 GMT -5
I haven't started looking at anyone yet besides Chase Young, and he looks amazing. However, the positions I believe need to be upgraded are: 1. FS - Bethea has been horrible, I don't see anyone on our roster that I trust here(Peppers and Love both seem to be box safeties) 2. Edge - Getting a beast on the Line would be huge, Carter has started getting more pressures lately, but I would prefer an upgrade here rather than hoping on development. 3. Tackle - Solder has not played well, he hasn't been Flowers bad, but he has still given up sacks/pressures in key moments all year. 4. ILB - Hopefully Tree is replaced by Connelly next year. I'd still like to find a thumper/blitzing ILB, upgrade on Mayo. Mayo has been ok, but he's not a playmaker and he misses too many tackles. 5. Slot Corner - Ballentine has long speed, he doesn't seem to have the short area quickness we need for nickel. 6. WR - Get a young guy in here to compete, hopefully Shepard has a healthy year and Slayton continues to develop. Need someone to push Tate. You forgot Defensive tackle...we can never have enough of the big boys in the tenches, they help you win...not us, but other other teams...the ones playing us. Nice post...yeah, I agree on Love...not sold on him as a rover. Delpit is wearing the famed number 7 for LSU, and is a great free safety, but this year he has dropped on the boards due to poor tackling. How do you feel about spending some of the huge cap dollars we have to spend on that pass rush? Sure...not having Young on a rookie deal sucks, but we can get that pass rusher or two, three down players, and take advantage of the Jones rookie QB deal. Thoughts? Tackle should be taken care of this draft...no questions about it, and no excuses like last year of DG...this draft is loaded with first round OL talent, from tackle to center, and even guard. Nothing in free agency...time to draft the protection for Jones. ILB, I like Schobert from Cleveland...having a bit of an off year, but a 100 tackle a year guy. If he hits free agency, I might send him an offer...a good motor player for your investment. A few here like Dye from Oregon...Kase was really high on him, and yeah, he balls it from sideline to sideline. I like jacob Philipps from LSU a bit better...some love Murray from the Sooners. Linebackers are out there, in the draft and a couple decent free agents. Corners are deep this year, with one generational talent, and another from Ohio State that can do it all...nickel to press, and zone. Shaun Wade...might be able to grab him early 2....his stock should rise. Wide outs are silly deep...getting a top ten WR in the late first will be happening day 1...hopefully we can trade back and let that happen, if we lose out on Young and Thomas.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 28, 2019 9:05:31 GMT -5
Looking in to this more, I really hope we are able to land Thomas or Young.
I have a feeling if those 2 get taken in front of us, we will not trade back, and reach for the next OT or DE or go WR.
There are still some good players left, but after Young and Thomas those 2 positions drop off considerably IMO.
If we make a pick there, I'm beginning to think DG would go Juedy or reach for the Wirfs/Simmons of the draft. Not that i think those 2 would be bad, but they certainly would be a reach.
Just a weird hunch I have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 9:37:06 GMT -5
Looking in to this more, I really hope we are able to land Thomas or Young. I have a feeling if those 2 get taken in front of us, we will not trade back, and reach for the next OT or DE or go WR. There are still some good players left, but after Young and Thomas those 2 positions drop off considerably IMO. If we make a pick there, I'm beginning to think DG would go Juedy or reach for the Wirfs/Simmons of the draft. Not that i think those 2 would be bad, but they certainly would be a reach. Just a weird hunch I have. Thomas is imperative ...you can say we could get free agent sacks, but not a franchise tackle We need to look at the order...as of now the key is Burrow at 1. If he goes one, the Lions are not taking Thomas at 3...they would go CB, DT or WR...they have Decker. Bengals Burrow Redskins Young Then, we are set if it stays the same for Thomas
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 28, 2019 13:28:20 GMT -5
Looking in to this more, I really hope we are able to land Thomas or Young. I have a feeling if those 2 get taken in front of us, we will not trade back, and reach for the next OT or DE or go WR. There are still some good players left, but after Young and Thomas those 2 positions drop off considerably IMO. If we make a pick there, I'm beginning to think DG would go Juedy or reach for the Wirfs/Simmons of the draft. Not that i think those 2 would be bad, but they certainly would be a reach. Just a weird hunch I have. Thomas is imperative ...you can say we could get free agent sacks, but not a franchise tackle We need to look at the order...as of now the key is Burrow at 1. If he goes one, the Lions are not taking Thomas at 3...they would go CB, DT or WR...they have Decker. Bengals Burrow Redskins Young Then, we are set if it stays the same for Thomas Why wouldn't the Redskins take Thomas? They have 2 pass rushers and probably as bad if not worse an O line as us with a rookie qb?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 28, 2019 15:05:35 GMT -5
Looking in to this more, I really hope we are able to land Thomas or Young. I have a feeling if those 2 get taken in front of us, we will not trade back, and reach for the next OT or DE or go WR. There are still some good players left, but after Young and Thomas those 2 positions drop off considerably IMO. If we make a pick there, I'm beginning to think DG would go Juedy or reach for the Wirfs/Simmons of the draft. Not that i think those 2 would be bad, but they certainly would be a reach. Just a weird hunch I have. Thomas is imperative ...you can say we could get free agent sacks, but not a franchise tackle We need to look at the order...as of now the key is Burrow at 1. If he goes one, the Lions are not taking Thomas at 3...they would go CB, DT or WR...they have Decker. Bengals Burrow Redskins Young Then, we are set if it stays the same for Thomas I wouldn't be so sure. If they view Thomas as a franchise OT they might go there. Plus, Washington could take Thomas as well at 2, and Lions could go Young. Personally I think we are picking 5. We will beat the Eagles and the Dolphins lose to the Patriots. That puts us in that bad spot. Burrow, Thomas, Young, Juedy all off the board... where do we go?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 28, 2019 15:08:58 GMT -5
Thomas is imperative ...you can say we could get free agent sacks, but not a franchise tackle We need to look at the order...as of now the key is Burrow at 1. If he goes one, the Lions are not taking Thomas at 3...they would go CB, DT or WR...they have Decker. Bengals Burrow Redskins Young Then, we are set if it stays the same for Thomas I wouldn't be so sure. If they view Thomas as a franchise OT they might go there. Plus, Washington could take Thomas as well at 2, and Lions could go Young. Personally I think we are picking 5. We will beat the Eagles and the Dolphins lose to the Patriots. That puts us in that bad spot. Burrow, Thomas, Young, Juedy all off the board... where do we go? Okudah and Brown could be gone as well Someone trading the farm to get ahead of us thinking we are trading back for a qb We need to pump the brakes a bit
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 28, 2019 15:41:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so sure. If they view Thomas as a franchise OT they might go there. Plus, Washington could take Thomas as well at 2, and Lions could go Young. Personally I think we are picking 5. We will beat the Eagles and the Dolphins lose to the Patriots. That puts us in that bad spot. Burrow, Thomas, Young, Juedy all off the board... where do we go? Okudah and Brown could be gone as well Someone trading the farm to get ahead of us thinking we are trading back for a qb We need to pump the brakes a bit We are discussing possible draft scenarios in the draft section. Pump the breaks? You work for PFF? :-)
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 28, 2019 15:46:18 GMT -5
I haven't started looking at anyone yet besides Chase Young, and he looks amazing. However, the positions I believe need to be upgraded are: 1. FS - Bethea has been horrible, I don't see anyone on our roster that I trust here(Peppers and Love both seem to be box safeties) 2. Edge - Getting a beast on the Line would be huge, Carter has started getting more pressures lately, but I would prefer an upgrade here rather than hoping on development. 3. Tackle - Solder has not played well, he hasn't been Flowers bad, but he has still given up sacks/pressures in key moments all year. 4. ILB - Hopefully Tree is replaced by Connelly next year. I'd still like to find a thumper/blitzing ILB, upgrade on Mayo. Mayo has been ok, but he's not a playmaker and he misses too many tackles. 5. Slot Corner - Ballentine has long speed, he doesn't seem to have the short area quickness we need for nickel. 6. WR - Get a young guy in here to compete, hopefully Shepard has a healthy year and Slayton continues to develop. Need someone to push Tate. You are correct in your assessment and there are a few pieces we can add in free agency to upgrade the FS spot.....Justin Simmons FS Denver Broncos and he’s only 26 so he fits the “youth movement” of the team. He could be that center field type safety and would make an excellent pairing with Jabrill Peppers.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 28, 2019 15:57:26 GMT -5
I haven't started looking at anyone yet besides Chase Young, and he looks amazing. However, the positions I believe need to be upgraded are: 1. FS - Bethea has been horrible, I don't see anyone on our roster that I trust here(Peppers and Love both seem to be box safeties) 2. Edge - Getting a beast on the Line would be huge, Carter has started getting more pressures lately, but I would prefer an upgrade here rather than hoping on development. 3. Tackle - Solder has not played well, he hasn't been Flowers bad, but he has still given up sacks/pressures in key moments all year. 4. ILB - Hopefully Tree is replaced by Connelly next year. I'd still like to find a thumper/blitzing ILB, upgrade on Mayo. Mayo has been ok, but he's not a playmaker and he misses too many tackles. 5. Slot Corner - Ballentine has long speed, he doesn't seem to have the short area quickness we need for nickel. 6. WR - Get a young guy in here to compete, hopefully Shepard has a healthy year and Slayton continues to develop. Need someone to push Tate. You are correct in your assessment and there are a few pieces we can add in free agency to upgrade the FS spot.....Justin Simmons FS Denver Broncos and he’s only 26 so he fits the “youth movement” of the team. He could be that center field type safety and would make an excellent pairing with Jabrill Peppers. Do you not feel Love is capable at S? I think he is showing a lot of promise.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 28, 2019 16:08:52 GMT -5
You are correct in your assessment and there are a few pieces we can add in free agency to upgrade the FS spot.....Justin Simmons FS Denver Broncos and he’s only 26 so he fits the “youth movement” of the team. He could be that center field type safety and would make an excellent pairing with Jabrill Peppers. Do you not feel Love is capable at S? I think he is showing a lot of promise. To me Love is not a special type of player I think Simmons is exactly the type of FS we need.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 28, 2019 16:10:55 GMT -5
Do you not feel Love is capable at S? I think he is showing a lot of promise. To me Love is not a special type of player I think Simmons is exactly the type of FS we need. Love is a rookie showing a lot of promise to me. He is still learning the safett position coming over from CB. I think his ceiling is not seen yet at S and he is going to be a really good one
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 28, 2019 16:30:05 GMT -5
To me Love is not a special type of player I think Simmons is exactly the type of FS we need. Love is a rookie showing a lot of promise to me. He is still learning the safett position coming over from CB. I think his ceiling is not seen yet at S and he is going to be a really good one It could be but I really like this player in Simmons he makes plays on the ball and I think he fits he also was a corner before Vic Fangio made him a free safety.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 28, 2019 16:43:30 GMT -5
You are correct in your assessment and there are a few pieces we can add in free agency to upgrade the FS spot.....Justin Simmons FS Denver Broncos and he’s only 26 so he fits the “youth movement” of the team. He could be that center field type safety and would make an excellent pairing with Jabrill Peppers. Do you not feel Love is capable at S? I think he is showing a lot of promise. FS i think is a spot we can let develop for a year...I think Love will be above average at worst
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Dec 29, 2019 16:27:31 GMT -5
To me Love is not a special type of player I think Simmons is exactly the type of FS we need. Love is a rookie showing a lot of promise to me. He is still learning the safett position coming over from CB. I think his ceiling is not seen yet at S and he is going to be a really good one Love is looking like a solid tackler and has good instincts and angles on run plays. I can't remember any plays he's made in the passing game. If we can go into the season with a possible upgrade at FS we should do it. Best case scenario is we end up with 3 starting quality players. Peppers, Love and ? can develop together push each other and hopefully mean we don't need to carry a specialist like Deone Buchanon or just as an upgrade from Michael Thomas.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 29, 2019 17:54:27 GMT -5
Looks like we get pick #4
Terrible if the 3 ahead of us go BPA
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