katcavage75
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Post by katcavage75 on Dec 30, 2019 12:04:19 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 30, 2019 13:39:35 GMT -5
Has to be done BPA unfortunately in the draft.
Now if Wirfs indeed declares it gives the team 2 legit studs out there and one will fall to us.
After that,you will have a bunch of very good tackles with a late 1st/2nd round grade that you cannot reach for where we are picking
I agree C is a priority as well,very deep C class so we should find a guy that could be an instant starter well into possibly day 3..
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 30, 2019 14:22:22 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020. And totally neglect the 30th ranked D that gave up 28ppg this yr? NY needs to address both sides of the ball but the defense more so. The O was 18th ranked this yr, couple of good OLmen via the draft/FA + improvement from DJ should help push it into the top 12 next yr. The D is what needs significant improvement at edge rusher, LBer & the secondary! |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 30, 2019 15:01:53 GMT -5
I can't argue with either point of view. We do need OL and we do need an improvement on D big time. At #4 we most likely miss both Young and Thomas. Now if Wiirf comes out I would think we go get him as of today. We'll see. We could move back some for picks but not too far back. I would think 12 to 14 would be the farthest.
I'm still hoping Detroit goes for Jeudy and Thomas falls to us. A lot of time to talk about this.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 30, 2019 17:59:58 GMT -5
I can't argue with either point of view. We do need OL and we do need an improvement on D big time. At #4 we most likely miss both Young and Thomas. Now if Wiirf comes out I would think we go get him as of today. We'll see. We could move back some for picks but not too far back. I would think 12 to 14 would be the farthest. I'm still hoping Detroit goes for Jeudy and Thomas falls to us. A lot of time to talk about this. Detroit's secondary was worse than ours and very little youth Their D mine is a bit meh as well Patricia might want to beef the d line or take Odukah |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 30, 2019 18:34:19 GMT -5
I can't argue with either point of view. We do need OL and we do need an improvement on D big time. At #4 we most likely miss both Young and Thomas. Now if Wiirf comes out I would think we go get him as of today. We'll see. We could move back some for picks but not too far back. I would think 12 to 14 would be the farthest. I'm still hoping Detroit goes for Jeudy and Thomas falls to us. A lot of time to talk about this. Detroit's secondary was worse than ours and very little youth Their D mine is a bit meh as well Patricia might want to beef the d line or take Odukah Hi GL, That would work, he's the CB out of Ohio St. right ? Maybe that Simmons from Clemson as well ? Either would give us a shot at Thomas I would think. |
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katcavage75
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Post by katcavage75 on Dec 31, 2019 21:33:58 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020. And totally neglect the 30th ranked D that gave up 28ppg this yr? NY needs to address both sides of the ball but the defense more so. The O was 18th ranked this yr, couple of good OLmen via the draft/FA + improvement from DJ should help push it into the top 12 next yr. The D is what needs significant improvement at edge rusher, LBer & the secondary! IMO there are impact defensive players available in 2nd & 3rd rounds. No one draftee will change either side of the LOS. If the NYGs go D in the 1st rd it will be b/c they trade back. |
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Post by TEM on Dec 31, 2019 22:22:22 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020. I think Zeitler and Remmers will be back . Remmers in a support role. We need to draft a Tackle with our 1st pick. A center with the 2nd or 3rd pick. There can be no more kicking the can. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 22:26:02 GMT -5
I can't argue with either point of view. We do need OL and we do need an improvement on D big time. At #4 we most likely miss both Young and Thomas. Now if Wiirf comes out I would think we go get him as of today. We'll see. We could move back some for picks but not too far back. I would think 12 to 14 would be the farthest. I'm still hoping Detroit goes for Jeudy and Thomas falls to us. A lot of time to talk about this. Detroit's secondary was worse than ours and very little youth Their D mine is a bit meh as well Patricia might want to beef the d line or take Odukah Yes, and...they have Decker playing left tackle. Brown would be in play before Thomas on Detroit...they are not taking Thomas |
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 31, 2019 23:18:32 GMT -5
I hate any injury, but Halipio getting hurt will be a positive for this OL. He was a converted guard, and has never been a good NFL center.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 1, 2020 14:13:01 GMT -5
Detroit's secondary was worse than ours and very little youth Their D mine is a bit meh as well Patricia might want to beef the d line or take Odukah Yes, and...they have Decker playing left tackle. Brown would be in play before Thomas on Detroit...they are not taking Thomas So Rivera and Del Rio in Washington probably affects us in the draft Bad news All but assures Young to Redskins as they will be completely blowing up the front 7 and Young is scheme indifferent. Good news The % that Thomas falls to us probably goes to 92% because Detroit will be going BPA defense (take your pick,both Brown and Okudah fill a dire need in a BPA manner)or they trade back behind us knowing they can get either Okudah or Brown So then it become Does Gettleman actually decide to do something he has never done before,take an o lineman in the first round,because if my early hypothesis is correct we have the best o line prospect in our laps since Joe Thomas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 14:21:15 GMT -5
Yes, and...they have Decker playing left tackle. Brown would be in play before Thomas on Detroit...they are not taking Thomas So Rivera and Del Rio in Washington probably affects us in the draft Bad news All but assures Young to Redskins as they will be completely blowing up the front 7 and Young is scheme indifferent. Good news The % that Thomas falls to us probably goes to 92% because Detroit will be going BPA defense (take your pick,both Brown and Okudah fill a dire need in a BPA manner)or they trade back behind us knowing they can get either Okudah or Brown So then it become Does Gettleman actually decide to do something he has never done before,take an o lineman in the first round,because if my early hypothesis is correct we have the best o line prospect in our laps since Joe Thomas. Redskins have to take BPA, and since they have a QB...that player is Young. Lions, not going Thomas...Decker is a top left tackle...they need DT, CB...two top 5 talents sitting there. If Gettleman passes on Thomas, they better have a OT rated as high, knowing they can get him within a few picks, and trade back...we do have quite a few starting asap OT's...just not sure we have the all pro quality of Thomas...yeah, Thomas needs to be taken.  |
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 1, 2020 14:22:09 GMT -5
There are a good amount of players in the draft who would help us day 1. Thomas, Wrifs, Wills, Leatherwood, Wanogho, Niang could all be day 1 starters for us.
As for Center Biadasz, Humphrey, Cushenberry, Williams, and Hansen could all start day 1
....Lets hope DG does the right thing
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 1, 2020 15:06:21 GMT -5
There are a good amount of players in the draft who would help us day 1. Thomas, Wrifs, Wills, Leatherwood, Wanogho, Niang could all be day 1 starters for us. As for Center Biadasz, Humphrey, Cushenberry, Williams, and Hansen could all start day 1 ....Lets hope DG does the right thing As we have discussed...I'm hoping both Alabama linemen are taken ahead of us in the 1st ....their tackles all have Erik Flowers type atributes and not in a good way.. Only way I'm not going to go ballistic passing on Thomas is if Wirfs declares and we get him 2 picks back after taking the Chargers to the cleaners in a trade back This litteraly is going to be a rare time that on Jan 1st its going to be a no brainer who the pick is the way things have already shaken out... I've given Gettleman the benefit of the doubt more so than many I turn on him in an instant if we pass on Thomas(and Wirfs if he declares)for anybody(this includes Jeudy,Okudah;Simmons,and god help us D Brown) |
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 1, 2020 22:22:41 GMT -5
It does seem like Thomas has a “good” chance to fall to us. If he’s there I think we should pick him. But as GL said, it’s against DGs mo. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he went with jeudy.
A few questions:
Has DG ever traded back in rd 1?
Where are Pulley and Zietler going? They’re both under contract till 2022. I haven’t heard anything about them.
There are so many ways it can play out, and I’m not backing any specific one right now. But, I can see a scenario of going LT, WR, RT with our first 3 picks. Some times you gotta steer into the strength of a draft class when your team has needs on multiple levels on both sides of the ball. The D needs help, but if the value is there at OL and WR early....
We’re gonna have to hope a year of seasoning and a FA LB or DB can result in a respectable unit.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 1, 2020 22:32:50 GMT -5
It does seem like Thomas has a “good” chance to fall to us. If he’s there I think we should pick him. But as GL said, it’s against DGs mo. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he went with jeudy. A few questions: Has DG ever traded back in rd 1? Where are Pulley and Zietler going? They’re both under contract till 2022. I haven’t heard anything about them. There are so many ways it can play out, and I’m not backing any specific one right now. But, I can see a scenario of going LT, WR, RT with our first 3 picks. Some times you gotta steer into the strength of a draft class when your team has needs on multiple levels on both sides of the ball. The D needs help, but if the value is there at OL and WR early.... We’re gonna have to hope a year of seasoning and a FA LB or DB can result in a respectable unit. This is why I'm putting most of my FA chips for non Giants resignees into Byron Jones as he can play outside press,slot or FS to strengthen the secondary |
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 1, 2020 22:59:47 GMT -5
Wouldn’t be upset with Jones. But I think the LB unit needs the help more right now if we’re staying in in the 3-4 and seeing Young go a pick or 2 before us.
I’ll be interested to see if they forego spending cap space on a RT like we think they should/will, and use if for a LB and DB. Then just pick Wirfs at 4, or let Gates and a 2nd/3rd rounder go at it for the spot.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 4, 2020 17:18:34 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020. Why would Zietler be gone he has a fine year even injured why create more holes. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 4, 2020 17:26:43 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020. Why would Zietler be gone he has a fine year even injured why create more holes. Zeitler is going nowhere |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 4, 2020 17:31:25 GMT -5
There are a good amount of players in the draft who would help us day 1. Thomas, Wrifs, Wills, Leatherwood, Wanogho, Niang could all be day 1 starters for us. As for Center Biadasz, Humphrey, Cushenberry, Williams, and Hansen could all start day 1 ....Lets hope DG does the right thing I Think they could bring Remmers back even as depth after his back got right he was OK be a nice depth option. |
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katcavage75
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Post by katcavage75 on Jan 5, 2020 18:50:27 GMT -5
With Halapio & probably Remmers, Pulley, & maybe even Zeitler gone for 2020, the most important thing to address is the Oline. If the NYGs don't rebuild this they'll waste the talents of an improving QB and a proven RB and an improved receiving corp. Can't be cute here. Ist pick must be best available, plug in day one starter at OT. Then C, then G & T. At least one of these needs can be filled in FA. Need building blocks to lay the foundation for a dynamic offense in 2020. Why would Zietler be gone he has a fine year even injured why create more holes. IMO The NYGs have to move beyond adequate. Need to get much better here. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 5, 2020 20:05:53 GMT -5
Why would Zietler be gone he has a fine year even injured why create more holes. IMO The NYGs have to move beyond adequate. Need to get much better here. Zietler is a top 5-7 Guard even injured no reason to move on from that and tough as nails playing through multiple injuries. |
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