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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 30, 2019 17:43:02 GMT -5
What has he done at Baylor that has made him this elite must have coaching target? He has brought two college programs from 1 or 2 win teams to double digit win teams in just 3 years each. That's nice, I will say, but it's college...I need more. I want college coaches who have been head coach for many years with a long history of success, failure and success again. Why failure then success again? Because that shows their ability and willingness to step back and learn new or start over. Would like to see a coach from from the NFL with YEARS of experience at OC or DC or best, HC...not just a flash in the pan level of success (that's how get MacaDoo). Mike McCarthy would be a huge get for this team but I am betting Dallas is going to gun for him regardless of what the rumor mill will say. Dallas is going to try for Lincoln Riley Probably will end up with Rod Marinelli,an in house yes man,and forced to keep Moore as OC
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Post by coughlinscorner on Dec 31, 2019 7:41:08 GMT -5
He has brought two college programs from 1 or 2 win teams to double digit win teams in just 3 years each. That's nice, I will say, but it's college...I need more. I want college coaches who have been head coach for many years with a long history of success, failure and success again. Why failure then success again? Because that shows their ability and willingness to step back and learn new or start over. Would like to see a coach from from the NFL with YEARS of experience at OC or DC or best, HC...not just a flash in the pan level of success (that's how get MacaDoo). Mike McCarthy would be a huge get for this team but I am betting Dallas is going to gun for him regardless of what the rumor mill will say. Dallas is going to try for Lincoln Riley Probably will end up with Rod Marinelli,an in house yes man,and forced to keep Moore as OC That's wishful thinking. Jerry's ready to write a big check and none is needed for Marinelli. in fact he was part of the problem this year with the defense underachieving.
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Post by hadenough on Dec 31, 2019 8:37:28 GMT -5
Is he a good coach...who knows. He has taken two college programs and done well.
When you hear him talk...he has the right mind set to become a good head coach.
He’s not interested in just taking a job and calling plays.
He’s interested in installing a complete ‘program’. He’s interested in every aspect and wants to implement it that way. He wants to be the coach of the entire coaching staff, players and not just one side or one group.
It’s a better mindset then a lot of coaches.
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Post by TEM on Dec 31, 2019 10:34:16 GMT -5
Here is his resume ( Unimpressive)
1998 Albright (LB) 1999-2000 Buffalo (DL) 2001 UCLA (DL) 2002 Western Carolina (LB/ST) 2003–2004 Western Carolina (AHC/LB/ST) 2005 Western Carolina (AHC/RGC/OL/ST) 2006 Temple (DL) 2007 Temple (QB/RC) 2008–2010 Temple (OC/QB) 2011Temple (OC/TE/RC) 2012 New York Giants (assistant OL) 2013–2016 Temple 2017–present Baylor
he is 47-42 as an NCAA HC
Winner of the Texas bowl (2018)
How is this resume a top NFL coaching prospect?
To me his just a made up shiny object that has glitter an no substance.
47-42 is (53%) That is between 8-8 and 9-7 in the NFL
Not one of you would want an a coach that has been an NFL coach with between an 8-8 and 9-7 record.
But it is ok for a college HC from the Big 12 that only has Oklahoma as competition, to come in and run the show with a mediocre record.
I do not get that logic.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 31, 2019 10:35:32 GMT -5
Here is his resume ( Unimpressive) 1998 Albright (LB) 1999-2000 Buffalo (DL) 2001 UCLA (DL) 2002 Western Carolina (LB/ST) 2003–2004 Western Carolina (AHC/LB/ST) 2005 Western Carolina (AHC/RGC/OL/ST) 2006 Temple (DL) 2007 Temple (QB/RC) 2008–2010 Temple (OC/QB) 2011Temple (OC/TE/RC) 2012 New York Giants (assistant OL) 2013–2016 Temple 2017–present Baylor he is 47-42 as an NCAA HC Winner of the Texas bowl (2018) How is this resume a top NFL coaching prospect? To me his just a made up shiny object that has glitter an no substance. 47-42 is (53%) That is between 8-8 and 9-7 in the NFL Not one of you would want an a coach that has been an NFL coach with between an 8-8 and 9-7 record. But it is ok for a college HC from the Big 12 that only has Oklahoma as competition, to come in and run the show with a mediocre record. I do not get that logic. From the guy who wanted to keep Shurmur...lol
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 31, 2019 10:38:01 GMT -5
Here is his resume ( Unimpressive) 1998 Albright (LB) 1999-2000 Buffalo (DL) 2001 UCLA (DL) 2002 Western Carolina (LB/ST) 2003–2004 Western Carolina (AHC/LB/ST) 2005 Western Carolina (AHC/RGC/OL/ST) 2006 Temple (DL) 2007 Temple (QB/RC) 2008–2010 Temple (OC/QB) 2011Temple (OC/TE/RC) 2012 New York Giants (assistant OL) 2013–2016 Temple 2017–present Baylor he is 47-42 as an NCAA HC Winner of the Texas bowl (2018) How is this resume a top NFL coaching prospect? To me his just a made up shiny object that has glitter an no substance. 47-42 is (53%) That is between 8-8 and 9-7 in the NFL Not one of you would want an a coach that has been an NFL coach with between an 8-8 and 9-7 record. But it is ok for a college HC from the Big 12 that only has Oklahoma as competition, to come in and run the show with a mediocre record. I do not get that logic. You have to dig into that record though. He turned programs around and that takes a few years. By the end of his time at those programs, he was only losing 1 game a year. Baylor he was the HC after the big sexual assault scandal that should have crippled that program. It struggled big time year 1 because I of that. But turned them into a championship contender in 3 short years. That's what I see anyway. Also I learned he coaches BOTH sides of the ball. Still a gamble but a worthy one. A better gamble than another Shurmur.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 31, 2019 10:39:04 GMT -5
He's not Shurmur. That is the only answer I have
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Post by TEM on Dec 31, 2019 10:39:39 GMT -5
Here is his resume ( Unimpressive) 1998 Albright (LB) 1999-2000 Buffalo (DL) 2001 UCLA (DL) 2002 Western Carolina (LB/ST) 2003–2004 Western Carolina (AHC/LB/ST) 2005 Western Carolina (AHC/RGC/OL/ST) 2006 Temple (DL) 2007 Temple (QB/RC) 2008–2010 Temple (OC/QB) 2011Temple (OC/TE/RC) 2012 New York Giants (assistant OL) 2013–2016 Temple 2017–present Baylor he is 47-42 as an NCAA HC Winner of the Texas bowl (2018) How is this resume a top NFL coaching prospect? To me his just a made up shiny object that has glitter an no substance. 47-42 is (53%) That is between 8-8 and 9-7 in the NFL Not one of you would want an a coach that has been an NFL coach with between an 8-8 and 9-7 record. But it is ok for a college HC from the Big 12 that only has Oklahoma as competition, to come in and run the show with a mediocre record. I do not get that logic. From the guy who wanted to keep Shurmur...lol What does this mean? I posted his resume . Are you disputing it?
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 31, 2019 10:43:41 GMT -5
I think the infatuation with Rhule is that he has coached all over the field, OL, TE's, DL, LBs, QBs. Also it didnt hurt that he turned 2 college programs around. But I think alot of people are hung up on Rhule because he started out with us as the OL assistant coach
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 31, 2019 10:44:01 GMT -5
Schiano did wonders with a Rutgers program that was the worst in CFB for many years...how'd that work out with the Bucs? You mean the Jets?
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Post by TEM on Dec 31, 2019 10:45:10 GMT -5
So does this guy From the school I am an alumni from. By The standards set for Rhule. He should also be a candidate. Dan Garrett Following three years as the Cougars’ defensive coordinator, Dan Garrett assumed the top spot at Kean University after being named the 2005 American Football Coaches Association Division III Assistant Coach of the Year. Garrett was named the head coach of the football program in July 2006, and he immediately made an impact turning the program around as the Cougars recorded seven straight non losing seasons for first time in program history in his first seven years at the helm. Over the last two seasons (2017 & 2018), Coach Garrett has had 20 student-athletes selected to the NJAC All-Conference, including Darin Hungerford being named the NJAC Defensive Player of the Year in 2017 and Anthony Bassani being named the Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2018. In 2015 and 2016 the football program combined for 15 wins (8 and 7 respectively) and claimed two ECAC Presidents Bowl Championships and defeated every school from New Jersey on the schedule. During his rookie season as a head coach in 2006, Kean finished 7-4 overall, 4-3 in the NJAC and captured just the second ECAC championship in program history, as Garrett was selected NJAC Coach of the Year by his peers. In 2007, the Cougars won three of their final four games, including a season-ending victory over NJAC co-champion The College of New Jersey, giving the NCAA tournament bound Lions their only conference loss of the season. keanathletics.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/dan-garrett/292
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Post by TEM on Dec 31, 2019 10:48:03 GMT -5
I think the infatuation with Rhule is that he has coached all over the field, OL, TE's, DL, LBs, QBs. Also it didnt hurt that he turned 2 college programs around. But I think alot of people are hung up on Rhule because he started out with us as the OL assistant coach Turned around? What has he won. Has not played in one major bowl game.
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Post by smitty on Dec 31, 2019 10:49:53 GMT -5
We are doomed.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 31, 2019 10:53:48 GMT -5
It would be a big risk for the situation the Giants are in.
Will be interesting to see if they roll the dice here.
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Post by navygiant on Dec 31, 2019 11:34:29 GMT -5
He turned two teams around by recruiting really well. Two thoughts, how does that help in the nfl where you cant recruit. Second, how much of a deep dive will the giants do into his recruiting background? College recruiting is a shady business. Are we sure he is scandal free? I just dont get what is special about him and how it translates to the nfl. I can’t speak for certain on Baylor but I know for sure his stint at Temple produced less than 5 NFL players and Temple doesn’t recruit well. It’s coaching and program. What I do know about Baylor, is they’re never going to put recruit UT and OU and more likely fall in the middle of the conference for recruiting most years. Edit: I was wrong on the Baylor recruiting. They’re usually top five for the BIG12.
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Post by Martin on Dec 31, 2019 11:45:06 GMT -5
He might be great but he has no track record as a HC in the NFL. You can spin this but its a risk bottom line.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 31, 2019 11:46:18 GMT -5
He might be great but he has no track record as a HC in the NFL. You can spin this but its a risk bottom line. Pat Shurmur had a track record as a HC in the NFL...
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 31, 2019 12:38:00 GMT -5
Pat moved some mountains here and i'm surprised more can't acknowledge it.
I wasn't opposed to the firing, because despite the great job he's done with that locker room and culture of this team (which was a complete shitty diaper dumpster fire before he got here) his game management was just bizarre, that's unfortunately who he is: great solid culture guy, great OC, he can work in a game (OC, playcalling), not on the game (overall direction/management of the game).
I would have preferred DG and PS leave as a unit so there we can have a better chance at continuity, but there's some value in not having to shop for a GM at the same time as trying to grab a head coach.
I'll predict here and now that Rhule will not be the next HC of the Giants.
People keep pointing at DG as a potential roadblock to attracting the best HC talent available. But honestly I think the Mara/Tisch reputation will yield a 'meh' crop of serious candidates.
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Post by Martin on Dec 31, 2019 13:05:40 GMT -5
He might be great but he has no track record as a HC in the NFL. You can spin this but its a risk bottom line. Pat Shurmur had a track record as a HC in the NFL... Let me re-phrase.... a good track record. A positive track record. A winning track record. But you knew that.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Dec 31, 2019 13:36:27 GMT -5
Weird take here. Saw a photo of Rhule. Big fat belly and skinny arms that look like he's never done a push up in his life. Isn't being strong and fit a good quality for the leader of an NFL squad to have, both for having the energy and mental focus to crush his job duties and to speak to the "dawg" inside of his players?
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 31, 2019 14:02:42 GMT -5
I think the infatuation with Rhule is that he has coached all over the field, OL, TE's, DL, LBs, QBs. Also it didnt hurt that he turned 2 college programs around. But I think alot of people are hung up on Rhule because he started out with us as the OL assistant coach Turned around? What has he won. Has not played in one major bowl game. The programs at Temple and Baylor
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Post by lt56 on Dec 31, 2019 14:14:06 GMT -5
Extremely Risky Hire coming off of McAdoo and Shurmur
McCarthy would be the safest and most prove choice: Regular season: 125–77–2 (.618) Postseason: 10–8 (.556) Career: 135–85–2 (.613) and a Super Bowl
However, maybe they feel Rhule has the bigger UPSIDE/POTENTIAL Long Term. Next Hire does need to be very Long Term. Also think McCarthy would be best for Daniel Jones
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 31, 2019 14:21:39 GMT -5
Weird take here. Saw a photo of Rhule. Big fat belly and skinny arms that look like he's never done a push up in his life. Isn't being strong and fit a good quality for the leader of an NFL squad to have, both for having the energy and mental focus to crush his job duties and to speak to the "dawg" inside of his players? You are right ... this is weird.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 31, 2019 14:25:39 GMT -5
Weird take here. Saw a photo of Rhule. Big fat belly and skinny arms that look like he's never done a push up in his life. Isn't being strong and fit a good quality for the leader of an NFL squad to have, both for having the energy and mental focus to crush his job duties and to speak to the "dawg" inside of his players? You are right ... this is weird. Ever seen Bill Belichick?
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Post by repeatchamps on Dec 31, 2019 14:39:05 GMT -5
You are right ... this is weird. Ever seen Bill Belichick? Lol, or Fat Andy, McCarthy, Rex Ryan, Parcells and on and on.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 31, 2019 14:47:41 GMT -5
So guys on here want a coaching combine
hahahaha
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Post by TEM on Dec 31, 2019 14:54:41 GMT -5
Weird take here. Saw a photo of Rhule. Big fat belly and skinny arms that look like he's never done a push up in his life. Isn't being strong and fit a good quality for the leader of an NFL squad to have, both for having the energy and mental focus to crush his job duties and to speak to the "dawg" inside of his players? I am not a fan of Rhule as our HC. I question his credentials. His physical attributes have nothing to do with mental adequacy. Steven Hawking is a prime example of that.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Dec 31, 2019 17:17:55 GMT -5
Ever seen Bill Belichick? Lol, or Fat Andy, McCarthy, Rex Ryan, Parcells and on and on. It's the combo of fat belly AND toothpick arms. McCarthy, Parcells, Reid are burly and husky. It's different. The benefits of working out are many, both mental and physical. Trying to lead an NFL team while apparently being allergic to the gym yourself, IDK, just seems less than ideal on many levels.
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Post by hadenough on Dec 31, 2019 21:07:28 GMT -5
Weird take here. Saw a photo of Rhule. Big fat belly and skinny arms that look like he's never done a push up in his life. Isn't being strong and fit a good quality for the leader of an NFL squad to have, both for having the energy and mental focus to crush his job duties and to speak to the "dawg" inside of his players? Matt Rhule was a linebacker at Penn State.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 31, 2019 21:40:02 GMT -5
Here is his resume ( Unimpressive) 1998 Albright (LB) 1999-2000 Buffalo (DL) 2001 UCLA (DL) 2002 Western Carolina (LB/ST) 2003–2004 Western Carolina (AHC/LB/ST) 2005 Western Carolina (AHC/RGC/OL/ST) 2006 Temple (DL) 2007 Temple (QB/RC) 2008–2010 Temple (OC/QB) 2011Temple (OC/TE/RC) 2012 New York Giants (assistant OL) 2013–2016 Temple 2017–present Baylor he is 47-42 as an NCAA HC Winner of the Texas bowl (2018) How is this resume a top NFL coaching prospect? To me his just a made up shiny object that has glitter an no substance. 47-42 is (53%) That is between 8-8 and 9-7 in the NFL Not one of you would want an a coach that has been an NFL coach with between an 8-8 and 9-7 record. But it is ok for a college HC from the Big 12 that only has Oklahoma as competition, to come in and run the show with a mediocre record. I do not get that logic. You have to dig into that record though. He turned programs around and that takes a few years. By the end of his time at those programs, he was only losing 1 game a year. Baylor he was the HC after the big sexual assault scandal that should have crippled that program. It struggled big time year 1 because I of that. But turned them into a championship contender in 3 short years. That's what I see anyway. Also I learned he coaches BOTH sides of the ball. Still a gamble but a worthy one. A better gamble than another Shurmur. I really like him the question is. Is he gonna hang around college little longer till he can name his price and and what he wants as far as say in personnel and power. Saban did it in his prime. Rhule is only going to be more sought after the longer he waits as long as he keeps winning.
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