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Post by nyg2 on Jan 6, 2020 14:48:08 GMT -5
I see some on this board acting like it's the end of the world because we didn't get Mike McCarthy. An then if you ask them why did you want him to be HC of the Giants they simply point to his overall record. LOL.
Mike McCarthy has had 2 QBs as a HC who both happen to be HOFs, so I would be more worried if he didn't have a winning record. With that being said, Mike McCarthy has always called the plays and consistently clashed with Rodgers when he checked out of plays, which is something Dak Prescott did on a consistent basis with Kellen Moore.
It will definitely be interesting to see how this relationship works between Jerry Jones, Mike McCarthy, and Dak Prescott. Both Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy have huge egos, whereas Dak Prescott is trying to become the highest paid QB so he thinks that he should have a bigger say on how the offense should be run.
Even Skip Bayless who is the biggest Cowboy fan and will twist himself into a pretzel to justify the actions made by Jerry Jones wasn't to thrilled about the move.
(You should watch the whole video if you can since they talk about McCarthy in depth. If you can't skip to 5:30 as they discuss his relationship with Aaron Rodgers and how things between them reached a breaking point)
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 6, 2020 14:51:24 GMT -5
The Giants move too slow. (in general)
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Post by McCherry on Jan 6, 2020 14:52:56 GMT -5
I see just as many who are happy he won't be here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 6, 2020 14:55:03 GMT -5
I see just as many who are happy he won't be here. *raise hand* Speaking of which Where is goober? Both of his candidates have been hired?
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Post by bluejayc on Jan 6, 2020 15:02:11 GMT -5
Not overly broken up about it but I understand the concerns by some. Post Coughlin you went from a young OC who never held a HC position before and lost the locker room to another OC who did have HC experience (9-23) and he went 9-23 again. So when you have two vet candidates out there (McCarthy and Rivera) with SB coaching experience and winning career records who go to a division rivals you're damn right I'm moderately disappointed when all the candidates left have either no HC experience or no NFL experience altogether. Frustration warranted.
Not the end of world but the Giants are sitting with the HC spot vacant and staring at 3 division rivals whose head coaches have all been to a Super Bowl.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 6, 2020 15:07:10 GMT -5
Not overly broken up about it but I understand the concerns by some. Post Coughlin you went from a young OC who never held a HC position before and lost the locker room to another OC who did have HC experience (9-23) and he went 9-23 again. So when you have two vet candidates out there (McCarthy and Rivera) with SB coaching experience and winning career records who go to a division rivals you're damn right I'm moderately disappointed when all the candidates left have either no HC experience or no NFL experience altogether. Frustration warranted. Not the end of world but the Giants are sitting with the HC spot vacant and staring at 3 division rivals whose head coaches have all been to a Super Bowl. Well said
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 6, 2020 15:23:06 GMT -5
I see some on this board acting like it's the end of the world because we didn't get Mike McCarthy. An then if you ask them why did you want him to be HC of the Giants they simply point to his overall record. LOL. Mike McCarthy has had 2 QBs as a HC who both happen to be HOFs, so I would be more worried if he didn't have a winning record. With that being said, Mike McCarthy has always called the plays and consistently clashed with Rodgers when he checked out of plays, which is something Dak Prescott did on a consistent basis with Kellen Moore. It will definitely be interesting to see how this relationship works between Jerry Jones, Mike McCarthy, and Dak Prescott. Both Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy have huge egos, whereas Dak Prescott is trying to become the highest paid QB so he thinks that he should have a bigger say on how the offense should be run. Even Skip Bayless who is the biggest Cowboy fan and will twist himself into a pretzel to justify the actions made by Jerry Jones wasn't to thrilled about the move. (You should watch the whole video if you can since they talk about McCarthy in depth. If you can't skip to 5:30 as they discuss his relationship with Aaron Rodgers and how things between them reached a breaking point) You are reading a very different message board than I am.
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 6, 2020 15:25:17 GMT -5
For some reason I could never picture McCarthy with the Giants.
I'm not sure why.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 6, 2020 15:29:31 GMT -5
For some reason I could never picture McCarthy with the Giants. I'm not sure why. I think its because he is a big irish guy , you picture him in green . maybe a hc of the jets?
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Post by odellhasfun on Jan 6, 2020 15:33:06 GMT -5
Im glad hes gone. Now the Giants can focus on the wizard wade phillips
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 6, 2020 15:33:45 GMT -5
Not overly broken up about it but I understand the concerns by some. Post Coughlin you went from a young OC who never held a HC position before and lost the locker room to another OC who did have HC experience (9-23) and he went 9-23 again. So when you have two vet candidates out there (McCarthy and Rivera) with SB coaching experience and winning career records who go to a division rivals you're damn right I'm moderately disappointed when all the candidates left have either no HC experience or no NFL experience altogether. Frustration warranted. Not the end of world but the Giants are sitting with the HC spot vacant and staring at 3 division rivals whose head coaches have all been to a Super Bowl. While that is true, let's look at the flip side... Rams Bills Filthadelphia Younger HC's, all with zero experience as HC, all highly innovative and modern. 2 have been to SB's, 1 won. And there are others. If the question is do I want a guy who won a SB in a decade ago, has basically said he knows nothing of analytics, has been called clueless about football by a HOF QB, and accused of checking out during bad seasons, or the right young HC...is this even a question? The Giants are taking their time, and I for one am pretty happy they are not in a rush to recycle yesterday's HC's. Rhule...who seems to have the inside track Bienemy Show me a guy who knows it's 2020...that's all I am saying. BTW...there is an exception to my position...Satan's lil' helper up in New England. I would actually be OK with that hire.
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Post by lt56 on Jan 6, 2020 15:39:38 GMT -5
Division Rivals are moving fast, Washington jumped on Rivera, Cowboys now got McCarthy and these are PROVEN coaches compared to the Giants likely going with a College Coach who coached in a Big 12 Division that doesn't know how to play Defense and was able to have 1 Winning Season.
I'm all for Rhule and is willing to give him a chance but it is a HUGE Risk and it will require fans to be patients and Giants Fans and "Patients" just never seem to mesh well. Rhule will be given 2 Years Max just like Shurmur before fans call for his firing and I'm not even sure that is enough time
So yeah, I think we Giants fans been Calm Enough we should have higher expectations for this Organizations. Good Organizations don't rebuild they reload and right now it doesn't seem like Mara or Gettleman have much of a plan
If Rhule is not the guy or he takes the Panthers Job or decides to stay at Baylor then it is going to get REAL UGLY!
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 6, 2020 15:44:15 GMT -5
There's still Jason Garret with HC experience. And he does have a SB ring with the Giants I believe as a Backup QB. The thing I don't like about him is that he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. And apparently he's not.
Do you want experience or take another shot at a coordinator ? Neither of these choices has me doing back flips. Is Garret going to bring Wade Phillips to fix the defense ? I guess he already has a staff in place as I assume the entire coaching staff in Dallas is also finished.
God help me I think I'm leaning toward Garret.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 6, 2020 15:44:45 GMT -5
I see both sides of this, do we want a HC that has been to a SB or do we want a guy that is younger ,hungry and could possibly relate better to players.
IDK , but i do know i dont want Garrett. 15 (at one time) probowlers and he didnt get anywhere. no thanks
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 6, 2020 15:49:46 GMT -5
No thanks to Garrett.
He had his chance to be the Giants' QB coach and to mentor Eli but turned it down. Since then he has proven that he cannot get it done.
I don't understand why in the world any team would want him as their HC.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 6, 2020 16:32:01 GMT -5
I don’t know man. When we hired Shumer It seemed to me that nobody else wanted to come here so we settled. Remember the rumors? We wanted McDaniels he went to the colts. Patricia went to the lions. Granted we really don’t know what happed but that is what it felt like and we might be going through the same situation.
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Post by u2good on Jan 6, 2020 16:35:40 GMT -5
It's just kind of interesting that the NFC East just got two top tier coaches with established reputations, while the Giants are still "deciding". What does it say about the Giants if McCarthy decided to NOT go to their interview in favor of the Cowboys?
The Redskins picked up Ron Rivera and former HC Jack Del Rio, so again, what does it say about the Giants reorg if a perennial loser like the Redskins (with owner Daniel Snyder) can get two top candidate HC, but the Giants can't?
I have this weird suspicion that the Giants HC won't even be Matt Rhule. It will some outlier where everyone will go: "Who dis?"
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 6, 2020 16:48:40 GMT -5
For some reason I could never picture McCarthy with the Giants. I'm not sure why. I think its because he is a big irish guy , you picture him in green . maybe a hc of the jets? I know someone who thinks McCarthy looks like a human-size woodchuck wearing clothes.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 6, 2020 16:50:16 GMT -5
It's not about hiring a guy who has won a past SB, it's about hiring a guy who will win a future SB.
It all depends on what individual character traits you think will be most conducive to winning a future SB.
Do you think it's analytics? Ability to relate to players? Ability to manage a staff? Game Planning? Play Calling? Motivating? Scheduling? Scouting?
Whatever you think it is, that is what you look for.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 6, 2020 16:55:00 GMT -5
I wish some one who knows would tell me what Bienemy has accomplished to make him a good candidate for our HC, IMO we need inexperienced HC who knows how to win...
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Post by Easy E on Jan 6, 2020 16:55:06 GMT -5
It's just kind of interesting that the NFC East just got two top tier coaches with established reputations, while the Giants are still "deciding". What does it say about the Giants if McCarthy decided to NOT go to their interview in favor of the Cowboys? The Redskins picked up Ron Rivera and former HC Jack Del Rio, so again, what does it say about the Giants reorg if a perennial loser like the Redskins (with owner Daniel Snyder) can get two top candidate HC, but the Giants can't? I have this weird suspicion that the Giants HC won't even be Matt Rhule. It will some outlier where everyone will go: "Who dis?" Hahaha "Who dis?". Could totally see that. Giants lost out on Rivera because Snyder got the jump on them by firing Gruden during the season. Rivera was wined, dined, and signed before Giants fired Shurmur. McCarthy...definitely not broken up about losing out on him. I don't think he has the temperament to deal with the NY media. Grump AF and that was with Wisconsin media....NY will eat him up. McAdoo times 10. Also, once he spent the night at Jerry's house, I'm sure he was sold. Jones was not letting him go. I'm sure McCarthy found the Cowboys roster attractive being it is very good up and down...def not a rebuilding roster. Speaking of that, I find it funny the Turds are running football team and McCarthy was never known to be that type of coach...his run to pass ratio was not even close to being balanced. Giants were criticized for moving too fast and safe with quick hires of Shurmur and McAdoo....seems they are taking their time and doing their diligence this time around.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 6, 2020 17:00:52 GMT -5
It's just kind of interesting that the NFC East just got two top tier coaches with established reputations, while the Giants are still "deciding". What does it say about the Giants if McCarthy decided to NOT go to their interview in favor of the Cowboys? The Redskins picked up Ron Rivera and former HC Jack Del Rio, so again, what does it say about the Giants reorg if a perennial loser like the Redskins (with owner Daniel Snyder) can get two top candidate HC, but the Giants can't? I have this weird suspicion that the Giants HC won't even be Matt Rhule. It will some outlier where everyone will go: "Who dis?" Honestly, I don't think you can infer anything about our team simply because the other 2 clubs rushed their hires. Personally, I'm glad the team is taking their time, and interviewing a wide swath of coaches.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 6, 2020 17:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by allnygin on Jan 6, 2020 17:22:06 GMT -5
If you really want someone and are sold on a guy. there is no such thing as due-diligence. I think the Giants weren't sold on him, and really what it boils down to is I think they're already sold on a guy, and just going through the motions of the interview process. Who that guy is, is anyones guess at the moment, but they know who it is by now.
The NFC east has gotten the addition of two very competent coaches. So the f'n giants better nail this shit, or its another catastrophe.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 6, 2020 17:36:16 GMT -5
If you really want someone and are sold on a guy. there is no such thing as due-diligence. I think the Giants weren't sold on him, and really what it boils down to is I think they're already sold on a guy, and just going through the motions of the interview process. Who that guy is, is anyones guess at the moment, but they know who it is by now. The NFC east has gotten the addition of two very competent coaches. So the f'n giants better nail this shit, or its another catastrophe. I wouldn't say going through the motions because what if something unforeseen happens to their number one option,they would indeed need to have a plan B or C and move on it fast.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 6, 2020 17:36:51 GMT -5
Did he ever have a top 10 defense ?
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 6, 2020 17:42:57 GMT -5
You know how this works. We set up an interview with him and people say "he stinks, can't run the ball, has no D and only won because of Rodgers". Then he signs with Dallas and suddenly "OMG ALL THE BEST COACHES IS GONE". Literally this same thing happened with Rivera. Before he signed: "Great DG will make another crony signing and take Rivera from the Panthers and probably sign 25 more Panthers players". After he signed: "ZOMG da best coach ever is gone ".
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 6, 2020 18:32:26 GMT -5
I really don’t see the big deal with McCarthy. Don’t you think we’re waiting to hire someone Who’s currently coaching in the playoffs ? Or just got eliminated from the playoffs ? Saleh , Martindale, McDaniels ?
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Post by smitty on Jan 6, 2020 18:38:48 GMT -5
Regardless of who we land as HC, besides filling roster holes, we desperately need someone to fix this defense.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 6, 2020 18:41:32 GMT -5
I really don’t see the big deal with McCarthy. Don’t you think we’re waiting to hire someone Who’s currently coaching in the playoffs ? Or just got eliminated from the playoffs ? Saleh , Martindale, McDaniels ? Or Rhule. I look at the interviews so far and consider: Were any of these interview a chance for a candidate to change the minds of the FO? To make them change the course they are on? To undecide what they have already decided on? It's not uncommon...due diligence.
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