desertash
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Post by desertash on Jan 7, 2020 18:35:07 GMT -5
I'm still in shock. This better work out. This will either be a massive success or a tremendous disaster. Uh... you can say the same thing about every coach that gets a gig. Really putting yourself on a limb there...lol this has the no mediocrity feel to it (after the initial adjustment period, give Judge and staff one full season barring catastrophe)
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desertash
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Post by desertash on Jan 7, 2020 18:36:01 GMT -5
im thinking does a wr/ spteams coach know what he wants or what to look for in a oc and dc? BB said he sat down with him about once a week to talk to him about how to build a program and how to be a head coach. for a coach of BB's magnitude that's significant mentoring
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Post by allnygin on Jan 7, 2020 18:37:30 GMT -5
This just reeks like a "best option available" willing to do work with Gettlemen all over it.. ALA PAT Ma effin Shurmur. I can't even by into the BS narritive of oh wow, the giants went against the grain here .... BS.
The only thing going for this guy is his lineage and hopefully he's learned what he needed to and he gets competent coordinators.
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Jan 7, 2020 18:41:11 GMT -5
I'm still in shock. This better work out. This will either be a massive success or a tremendous disaster. Uh... you can say the same thing about every coach that gets a gig. Really putting yourself on a limb there...lol I don't see any average because this is in no way an average coaching hire.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 7, 2020 18:42:43 GMT -5
This just reeks like a "best option available" willing to do work with Gettlemen all over it.. ALA PAT Ma effin Shurmur. I can't even by into the BS narritive of oh wow, the giants went against the grain here .... BS. The only thing going for this guy is his lineage and hopefully he's learned what he needed to and he gets competent coordinators. why not be optomistic. Plenty of time to be bummed. You are correct that he has been around some good coaching along the way and he definitely has the been part of winning and very successful programs. Thats a positive.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 7, 2020 18:45:43 GMT -5
This just reeks like a "best option available" willing to do work with Gettlemen all over it.. ALA PAT Ma effin Shurmur. I can't even by into the BS narritive of oh wow, the giants went against the grain here .... BS. The only thing going for this guy is his lineage and hopefully he's learned what he needed to and he gets competent coordinators. why not be optomistic. Plenty of time to be bummed. You are correct that he has been around some good coaching along the way and he definitely has the been part of winning and very successful programs. Thats a positive. The process and this decisions just seem off, it to me just reads like another botched process. I'll warm up to it by tomorrow. haha
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Post by GameTime on Jan 7, 2020 18:51:33 GMT -5
why not be optomistic. Plenty of time to be bummed. You are correct that he has been around some good coaching along the way and he definitely has the been part of winning and very successful programs. Thats a positive. The process and this decisions just seem off, it to me just reads like another botched process. I'll warm up to it by tomorrow. haha we have every reason to be skeptical for sure. Lets see how the staff shapes up, the draft, and free agency
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Post by InDabsWeTrust on Jan 7, 2020 18:54:39 GMT -5
Would be nice if Judge can bring over Patriots OL coach Dante Sarnecchia.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 7, 2020 18:57:43 GMT -5
Gruden would be perfect... Ran the same system we did in DC and really wanted to coach Jones.. If Martindale doesn't get the Cleveland gig maybe him Dan Campbell in New Orleans Defense Someone who prefers the 3/4 Wade Phillips is the obvious one Would actually prefer to have someone on both sides of the ball with age and experience I thought I’d be alone with wanting Gruden. His play designs all have multiple outs for the qb. Lots of intersecting/mesh designs. He’d have a field day with Engram, remember Jordan Reed circa 2015? Add in Slayton, 2 capable underneath possession guys is Shep and Tate, and one of the 10 or so #1 WRs coming out: we could be actually entertaining on offense. I don’t love Garrets’s Zampese style for Jones... Callahan as OL/Run coordinator sounds good too, if the dynamic between him and Gruden isn’t fractured...
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2020 18:59:39 GMT -5
He is 72 but the best option out there. a nice cranky old DC.... I like it..... Marvin Lewis would be my second choice.
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Post by smitty on Jan 7, 2020 19:00:36 GMT -5
The process and this decisions just seem off, it to me just reads like another botched process. I'll warm up to it by tomorrow. haha we have every reason to be skeptical for sure. Lets see how the staff shapes up, the draft, and free agency I think the coordinators are huge, specifically exactly who they are and who is selecting them. That should tell us a bunch. Who knows how the Giants select their coordinators?
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Post by smitty on Jan 7, 2020 19:05:11 GMT -5
a nice cranky old DC.... I like it..... Marvin Lewis would be my second choice. He was lobbying for a HC position but for some god forsaken reason indicated that he was only available if Hue Jackson came along as his OC. So, for obvious reasons, he will likely remain unemployed.
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2020 19:08:32 GMT -5
Marvin Lewis would be my second choice. He was lobbying for a HC position but for some god forsaken reason indicated that he was only available if Hue Jackson came along as his OC. So, for obvious reasons, he will likely remain unemployed. What does that have to do with him taking a DC job?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 19:08:44 GMT -5
Gruden would be perfect... Ran the same system we did in DC and really wanted to coach Jones.. If Martindale doesn't get the Cleveland gig maybe him Dan Campbell in New Orleans Defense Someone who prefers the 3/4 Wade Phillips is the obvious one Would actually prefer to have someone on both sides of the ball with age and experience I thought I’d be alone with wanting Gruden. His play designs all have multiple outs for the qb. Lots of intersecting/mesh designs. He’d have a field day with Engram, remember Jordan Reed circa 2015? Add in Slayton, 2 capable underneath possession guys is Shep and Tate, and one of the 10 or so #1 WRs coming out: we could be actually entertaining on offense. I don’t love Garrets’s Zampese style for Jones... Callahan as OL/Run coordinator sounds good too, if the dynamic between him and Gruden isn’t fractured... Not to mention he wanted Jones so he probably knows he would get the best out of him His style is very similar to Shurmers so there would be little learning curve as well Don't forget adding in Kaden Smith...bingo A 12 formation that can't be defended. Now mix in a modern exotic running attack like the 49ers have... I'm enjoying life as a fan of this team again
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2020 19:09:31 GMT -5
too much of a clown. Too much distraction. he would need a "Just STFU" and coach clause in his contract. .... Yeah very true. Let me change that to I wouldn't mind that from a football perspective.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 19:09:47 GMT -5
Marvin Lewis would be my second choice. He was lobbying for a HC position but for some god forsaken reason indicated that he was only available if Hue Jackson came along as his OC. So, for obvious reasons, he will likely remain unemployed. Bruh? Where,in Dallas?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 19:11:51 GMT -5
what you say here is why I would love to bring in Wade Phillips for DC, there is nothing an offense can show that he won't recognize... I would LOVE Wade Phillips, with or without a cane! Last year his D went to the Super Bowl, and they were NOT the reason they lost! Guy has been great for years. Where's that poster that says he knows Mara--get this done! Not to be a Debbie Downer but they had Aaron Donald too
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 19:13:25 GMT -5
I would LOVE Wade Phillips, with or without a cane! Last year his D went to the Super Bowl, and they were NOT the reason they lost! Guy has been great for years. Where's that poster that says he knows Mara--get this done! Not to be a Debbie Downer but they had Aaron Donald too We have Tomlinson,Lawrence,and hopefully Williams back.. That's a really nice front 3 for him to build around
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 7, 2020 19:15:17 GMT -5
He was lobbying for a HC position but for some god forsaken reason indicated that he was only available if Hue Jackson came along as his OC. So, for obvious reasons, he will likely remain unemployed. Bruh? Where,in Dallas? Only Cleveland left, and I'm being told that it's not a popular destination because of owner Haslem by my Cleveland contacts.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 7, 2020 19:18:23 GMT -5
I would LOVE Wade Phillips, with or without a cane! Last year his D went to the Super Bowl, and they were NOT the reason they lost! Guy has been great for years. Where's that poster that says he knows Mara--get this done! Not to be a Debbie Downer but they had Aaron Donald too You ARE being a Debbie downer! Wade Phillips earned his rep even before joining the Rams. The kid HC there may be a bit of a "friend" coach, perhaps he wants the same for his DC. Giants have some tools to work with on defense, and he would know exactly whats lacking.
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Post by smitty on Jan 7, 2020 19:18:42 GMT -5
He was lobbying for a HC position but for some god forsaken reason indicated that he was only available if Hue Jackson came along as his OC. So, for obvious reasons, he will likely remain unemployed. What does that have to do with him taking a DC job? Nothing. I didn’t think that he was interested in a coordinator job. He’s only been out of the NFL for a year and his DC credentials are solid, but I didn’t think he was looking for that, especially after declaring that he and Jackson are a package deal while interviewing for HC.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 19:19:14 GMT -5
Only Cleveland left, and I'm being told that it's not a popular destination because of owner Haslem by my Cleveland contacts. So interestingly and unusually all but one of the vacant HC spots are filled before the 10th of Jan, Yet we could have one sore thumb out there that could linger past feb with the Browns that could gum up potential assistants if a few have promised some of the candidates they would be on board for a staff **** it Let's reach out to Brady in LSU .... we have a definite opening and who knows what Cleveland is thinking
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Post by bigblueones on Jan 7, 2020 19:22:13 GMT -5
Two things. FIRST, I always thought Carl Banks should be our DC, call me crazy. SECOND, go to NFL.com (link won't work) and watch Charlie Casserly's two videos. I listen to him. He's hot on this kid. Said it is NOT about X's and O's but about being a CEO/leader with a vision and getting to know his players and he said you will be surprised by the quality of coordinators he brings with him. He said we got a gem. We shall see. He said he's a great communicator, very detailed, has a presence about him and has been groomed by BB for this chance.
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2020 19:23:14 GMT -5
What does that have to do with him taking a DC job? Nothing. I didn’t think that he was interested in a coordinator job. He’s only been out of the NFL for a year and his DC credentials are solid, but I didn’t think he was looking for that, especially after declaring that he and Jackson are a package deal while interviewing for HC. I get what you are saying buddy but in the NFL in order to stay relevant you need to be working . Next year it will be 2 years without being on the sideline. He could be one of the individuals that can fix the defense.
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Post by smitty on Jan 7, 2020 19:27:09 GMT -5
Not to be a Debbie Downer but they had Aaron Donald too You ARE being a Debbie downer! Wade Phillips earned his rep even before joining the Rams. The kid HC there may be a bit of a "friend" coach, perhaps he wants the same for his DC. Giants have some tools to work with on defense, and he would know exactly whats lacking. Phillips is s competent plug and play DC. I don’t think he even has aspirations for HC anymore, but he daid he wants to work. I’d prefer Schwarz over Phillips due to age, but Philly’s D was good this year and I think he is holding out for another HC offer. A lateral move to the Giants seems unlikely. I think Schwarz has a good shit of beating out McDaniel in Cleveland, but the anemic offense of the Browns might give a heel like McDaniel the upper edge. The concern about McDaniel, besides that crap he pulled with Indy, is that he might be waiting out Belichick in NE to be his successor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 19:27:53 GMT -5
Not to be a Debbie Downer but they had Aaron Donald too You ARE being a Debbie downer! Wade Phillips earned his rep even before joining the Rams. The kid HC there may be a bit of a "friend" coach, perhaps he wants the same for his DC. Giants have some tools to work with on defense, and he would know exactly whats lacking. Haha. I am sorry. I retract my statement
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Post by smitty on Jan 7, 2020 19:30:55 GMT -5
Nothing. I didn’t think that he was interested in a coordinator job. He’s only been out of the NFL for a year and his DC credentials are solid, but I didn’t think he was looking for that, especially after declaring that he and Jackson are a package deal while interviewing for HC. I get what you are saying buddy but in the NFL in order to stay relevant you need to be working . Next year it will be 2 years without being on the sideline. He could be one of the individuals that can fix the defense. I agree. He knows defense, that’s for sure. I for one, hope he is up for consideration, but the FO should already know that by now.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 7, 2020 19:31:14 GMT -5
We need rex Ryan for our defensive coordinator. You need to be in the concussion protocol.
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Post by Zimonami on Jan 7, 2020 19:33:01 GMT -5
Itd be nice to have a strong staff around Judge; with shurmur I wasnt aware of any of those guys besides an occasional look at bettcher. I know it doesnt really matter, but did anyone see Shula for one second this season?? lol. hopefully the coordinators are given the space to coordinate; cringeworthy watching shurmur try to figure out his 'plan' behind the menu while the other team was already 4 quarters ahead of us. lets get a unified team on the field, and a unified staff on the sidelines Shula got a paycheck for doing nothing as far as I could see.. I was expecting more help from him.. Jones had nothing but praise for him.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 7, 2020 19:33:31 GMT -5
Two things. FIRST, I always thought Carl Banks should be our DC, call me crazy. SECOND, go to NFL.com (link won't work) and watch Charlie Casserly's two videos. I listen to him. He's hot on this kid. Said it is NOT about X's and O's but about being a CEO/leader with a vision and getting to know his players and he said you will be surprised by the quality of coordinators he brings with him. He said we got a gem. We shall see. He said he's a great communicator, very detailed, has a presence about him and has been groomed by BB for this chance. That would be great.
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