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Post by weekendwarrior on Jan 7, 2020 19:33:52 GMT -5
We need rex Ryan for our defensive coordinator. You need to be in the concussion protocol. I wouldnt hate it to be honest. Rex was a hell if a d coordinator
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 7, 2020 19:35:40 GMT -5
You need to be in the concussion protocol. I wouldnt hate it to be honest. Rex was a hell if a d coordinator His time has come and gone. If the Giants are getting younger RR is the last guy on the list.
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Post by Zimonami on Jan 7, 2020 19:44:02 GMT -5
BB said he sat down with him about once a week to talk to him about how to build a program and how to be a head coach. for a coach of BB's magnitude that's significant mentoring and he wouldn't have wasted his time if he didn't see good potential in Judge.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 7, 2020 19:44:19 GMT -5
to me this is backwards , hire him as a cordinator and someone with more experience as hc if you are so high on the guy .
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 7, 2020 19:45:07 GMT -5
Two things. FIRST, I always thought Carl Banks should be our DC, call me crazy. SECOND, go to NFL.com (link won't work) and watch Charlie Casserly's two videos. I listen to him. He's hot on this kid. Said it is NOT about X's and O's but about being a CEO/leader with a vision and getting to know his players and he said you will be surprised by the quality of coordinators he brings with him. He said we got a gem. We shall see. He said he's a great communicator, very detailed, has a presence about him and has been groomed by BB for this chance. This is the stuff we are all waiting to hear. Encourage us! I have found Casserly to be right on a lot of his opinions.
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Post by Eazy E on Jan 7, 2020 19:48:07 GMT -5
I think if they contacted Rex, he would do it. He seems itchy to get back out there.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2020 19:49:14 GMT -5
to me this is backwards , hire him as a cordinator and someone with more experience as hc if you are so high on the guy . You hire him as a coordinator and he kills it and someone else will snatch him up. 8 of the last 20 SB winning coaches had never been a HC, and 8 of the last 20 had been an NFL HC before. Nothing wrong with taking a chance on this guy.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 7, 2020 19:49:41 GMT -5
to me this is backwards , hire him as a cordinator and someone with more experience as hc if you are so high on the guy . Don't be the new Debbie downer! BB was a perfect CEO type coach. I can relate to seeing something in someone that you feel just has "it". Bosses do it, business owners do it, players do it for younger players they see something in. For BB to single him out to mentor him is quite an endorsement. And who knows, that sentimental tidbit that BB has may have steered Judge towards NYG.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 7, 2020 19:49:41 GMT -5
Gruden would be perfect... Ran the same system we did in DC and really wanted to coach Jones.. If Martindale doesn't get the Cleveland gig maybe him Dan Campbell in New Orleans Defense Someone who prefers the 3/4 Wade Phillips is the obvious one Would actually prefer to have someone on both sides of the ball with age and experience Wade is my choice... I agree. Wade could instantly bump this defense into the top 10 next year. He's just that good of a DC.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 7, 2020 19:51:08 GMT -5
to me this is backwards , hire him as a cordinator and someone with more experience as hc if you are so high on the guy . You hire him as a coordinator and he kills it and someone else will snatch him up. 8 of the last 20 SB winning coaches had never been a HC, and 8 of the last 20 had been an NFL HC before. Nothing wrong with taking a chance on this guy. Wait thats 16 ? what about the other 4?
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 7, 2020 19:51:11 GMT -5
I think if they contacted Rex, he would do it. He seems itchy to get back out there. The only way the Giants contact Rex Ryan is if they accidentally butt dialed him.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2020 19:51:30 GMT -5
Two things. FIRST, I always thought Carl Banks should be our DC, call me crazy. SECOND, go to NFL.com (link won't work) and watch Charlie Casserly's two videos. I listen to him. He's hot on this kid. Said it is NOT about X's and O's but about being a CEO/leader with a vision and getting to know his players and he said you will be surprised by the quality of coordinators he brings with him. He said we got a gem. We shall see. He said he's a great communicator, very detailed, has a presence about him and has been groomed by BB for this chance. This is the stuff we are all waiting to hear. Encourage us! I have found Casserly to be right on a lot of his opinions. He has spent a decade in the two best programs in football. I said we need an architect to build our program and this might be the guy. I look forward to seeing his staff come together.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 7, 2020 19:52:30 GMT -5
Modern analytical style offense?!?! What nonsense is that. Do you see the Titans last weekend......nothing analytical about that, they just physically kicked the Patriot’s butt all over the field. You can leave the silly analytics stuff and just get good football players who are tough.....it worked in 1950 and it will work in 2020. Can statistics be used as a tool.....sure.....but to use it as the end-all ends up with teams like the Browns.......perennial losers. have to be flexible though. Cant rely just on a running game. Derrick Henry is also having a banner season Yea but one thing that is usually consistent in the playoffs is that you still need to run the ball effectively and that top tier rushing attack teams more often than not usually make the post season in this pass happy era.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2020 19:52:33 GMT -5
You hire him as a coordinator and he kills it and someone else will snatch him up. 8 of the last 20 SB winning coaches had never been a HC, and 8 of the last 20 had been an NFL HC before. Nothing wrong with taking a chance on this guy. Wait thats 16 ? what about the other 4? 3 were college HCs and 1 was a highschool HC.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2020 19:53:56 GMT -5
have to be flexible though. Cant rely just on a running game. Derrick Henry is also having a banner season Yea but one thing that is usually consistent in the playoffs is that you still need to run the ball effectively and that top tier rushing attack teams more often than not usually make the post season in this pass happy era. Wildcard weekend they point it out. The top 4 rushing teams are in the playoffs, the top 4 passing teams are not. I'm not saying you just have to run it like its 1950, but you have to be able to run it and pass it.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 7, 2020 19:55:36 GMT -5
I thought I’d be alone with wanting Gruden. His play designs all have multiple outs for the qb. Lots of intersecting/mesh designs. He’d have a field day with Engram, remember Jordan Reed circa 2015? Add in Slayton, 2 capable underneath possession guys is Shep and Tate, and one of the 10 or so #1 WRs coming out: we could be actually entertaining on offense. I don’t love Garrets’s Zampese style for Jones... Callahan as OL/Run coordinator sounds good too, if the dynamic between him and Gruden isn’t fractured... Not to mention he wanted Jones so he probably knows he would get the best out of him His style is very similar to Shurmers so there would be little learning curve as well Don't forget adding in Kaden Smith...bingo A 12 formation that can't be defended. Now mix in a modern exotic running attack like the 49ers have... I'm enjoying life as a fan of this team again And how crazy would it be if we hired Gruden as OC when Rivera is reportedly thinking about Shurmur. Can't make that stuff up!!!
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 7, 2020 19:59:32 GMT -5
to me this is backwards , hire him as a coordinator and someone with more experience as hc if you are so high on the guy . Don't be the new Debbie downer! BB was a perfect CEO type coach. I can relate to seeing something in someone that you feel just has "it". Bosses do it, business owners do it, players do it for younger players they see something in. For BB to single him out to mentor him is quite an endorsement. And who knows, that sentimental tidbit that BB has may have steered Judge towards NYG. I dont get this idea that because he was on the pats coaching staff he is a good hc candidate . dont get me wrong its a positive ., but its not a lock by any means .I also think take that mentor thing with a grain of salt . Has he produced good wr's for the pats in that role? i understand he has done well with the spteams.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 7, 2020 20:00:06 GMT -5
Not to mention he wanted Jones so he probably knows he would get the best out of him His style is very similar to Shurmers so there would be little learning curve as well Don't forget adding in Kaden Smith...bingo A 12 formation that can't be defended. Now mix in a modern exotic running attack like the 49ers have... I'm enjoying life as a fan of this team again And how crazy would it be if we hired Gruden as OC when Rivera is reportedly thinking about Shurmur. Can't make that stuff up!!! And Shurmur working closely the Promotions(self) director himself, Haskins, who he passed over after spending two full days with him pre draft. Yep, you CANNOT make this stuff up!
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Post by PennState1 on Jan 7, 2020 20:00:35 GMT -5
Most important next hire is oline coach. We need the right guy in that role to finally fix this.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 7, 2020 20:03:53 GMT -5
Don't be the new Debbie downer! BB was a perfect CEO type coach. I can relate to seeing something in someone that you feel just has "it". Bosses do it, business owners do it, players do it for younger players they see something in. For BB to single him out to mentor him is quite an endorsement. And who knows, that sentimental tidbit that BB has may have steered Judge towards NYG. I dont get this idea that because he was on the pats coaching staff he is a good hc candidate . dont get me wrong its a positive ., but its not a lock by any means .I also think take that mentor thing with a grain of salt . Has he produced good wr's for the pats in that role? i understand he has done well with the spteams. If he has ANYTHING to do with the complete player Edelman(undrafted) became that's a plus. I don't think it's because he was on BB staff, I think it's because he survived BB(the ultimate detail oriented obsessive CEO coach) for EIGHT years and several different positions. NYG needed a field general, a leader of men. Lets hope he's this.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 7, 2020 20:11:38 GMT -5
have to be flexible though. Cant rely just on a running game. Derrick Henry is also having a banner season Yea but one thing that is usually consistent in the playoffs is that you still need to run the ball effectively and that top tier rushing attack teams more often than not usually make the post season in this pass happy era. not denying that all....
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 7, 2020 20:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by robl on Jan 7, 2020 20:14:38 GMT -5
Most important next hire is oline coach. We need the right guy in that role to finally fix this. The most important hires are new offensive linemen. We need the right guys to finally fix this.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 7, 2020 20:16:43 GMT -5
Yea but one thing that is usually consistent in the playoffs is that you still need to run the ball effectively and that top tier rushing attack teams more often than not usually make the post season in this pass happy era. not denying that all.... Lol....my bad...I wasn't saying you were denying that. I was only adding to your post.
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Post by leonperry on Jan 7, 2020 20:17:16 GMT -5
Wait thats 16 ? what about the other 4? 3 were college HCs and 1 was a highschool HC. wait... some guy was hired out of high school to be an NFL coach and subsequently won a SB? You got me, who was that
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 20:18:03 GMT -5
Yea but one thing that is usually consistent in the playoffs is that you still need to run the ball effectively and that top tier rushing attack teams more often than not usually make the post season in this pass happy era. Wildcard weekend they point it out. The top 4 rushing teams are in the playoffs, the top 4 passing teams are not. I'm not saying you just have to run it like its 1950, but you have to be able to run it and pass it. Yet for some reason again not one team was able to end the game in victory formation running the clock out running the ball,the only team that ended the game in victory formation threw a bomb from their 2 yard line.. The 4 minute offense has become the spotted owl of pro football unless teams throw it or use a mobile qb ..... Even Tennessee playing prevent ancient gooberball with a big back had to punt it Twice...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 7, 2020 20:23:13 GMT -5
I like the idea of coordinators with HC experience. Many cases where coaches went back to coordinator positions and excelled after busting as HCs. As long as they don't try to over power the young HC, I like that they are there to lean on. what you say here is why I would love to bring in Wade Phillips for DC, there is nothing an offense can show that he won't recognize... I asked this question the day Phillips was let go. He is 72 years old but says he still wants to coach. I'm not sure but he must have coached every type defense that exists. And has a network and a half of NFL coaches that might come coach for him. All with experience.
I would think that he is as good or better than anybody available.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 7, 2020 20:24:10 GMT -5
Wildcard weekend they point it out. The top 4 rushing teams are in the playoffs, the top 4 passing teams are not. I'm not saying you just have to run it like its 1950, but you have to be able to run it and pass it. Yet for some reason again not one team was able to end the game in victory formation running the clock out running the ball,the only team that ended the game in victory formation threw a bomb from their 2 yard line.. The 4 minute offense has become the spotted owl of pro football unless teams throw it or use a mobile qb ..... Even Tennessee playing prevent ancient gooberball with a big back had to punt it Twice... I think we are all in agreement here. We are just pointing out that to go to the playoffs or get far into the post season....you still have to run the football. Most qbs that have won the Superbowl over the last 15 plus years or so werent game managers so yes you still need that passing attack. Balance is definitely the way to go.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 7, 2020 20:25:41 GMT -5
3 were college HCs and 1 was a highschool HC. wait... some guy was hired out of high school to be an NFL coach and subsequently won a SB? You got me, who was that Doug pederson?
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2020 20:26:37 GMT -5
You need to be in the concussion protocol. I wouldnt hate it to be honest. Rex was a hell if a d coordinator Rex is a clown. All he will bring is a circus act that will distract from the HC. We do not need that S### show.
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