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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 18, 2020 14:56:55 GMT -5
I am glad you are not the GM. We have had a different RT every year since Kareem McKenzie in 2011 . That year sounds familiar. Don’t necessarily need to get an OT in the first though Personally if I'm making a big board,Thomas is my 2nd rated player that is a non qb(Young is now number 2 behind Burrow)...Simmons is mid teens for comparison... So to me if I'm at 4 and can't move back a spot or 2 ..Thomas is the pick.. Perfect intersection of BPA,value and need,even in a relatively deep tackle class
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 18, 2020 16:53:37 GMT -5
Don’t necessarily need to get an OT in the first though I disagree . We take the best available OT . Either one with pick 4 if there is one that tops the Giants board available . Or move down and take one lower in the first and acquire more picks. IMO: I just do not see how we can keep ignoring the RT position and hope to get any continuity in the line year after year. The lets try this guy for a year card has been a proven failed model. Quickest way to a bad draft ... pre-decide what position you are going to draft regardless of BPA. I have no problem with taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA, or even if he is one of a group of players with the highest remaining grade. But if Simmons or any other player is rated higher at a position of need, you take that player.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 18, 2020 16:58:09 GMT -5
Don’t necessarily need to get an OT in the first though Personally if I'm making a big board,Thomas is my 2nd rated player that is a non qb(Young is now number 2 behind Burrow)...Simmons is mid teens for comparison... So to me if I'm at 4 and can't move back a spot or 2 ..Thomas is the pick.. Perfect intersection of BPA,value and need,even in a relatively deep tackle class I’m all for taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA. I’m not sure, though, that an OT will be rated higher Okudah or Simmons (I know I am higher on Simmons than you).
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 18, 2020 18:20:51 GMT -5
Personally if I'm making a big board,Thomas is my 2nd rated player that is a non qb(Young is now number 2 behind Burrow)...Simmons is mid teens for comparison... So to me if I'm at 4 and can't move back a spot or 2 ..Thomas is the pick.. Perfect intersection of BPA,value and need,even in a relatively deep tackle class I’m all for taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA. I’m not sure, though, that an OT will be rated higher Okudah or Simmons (I know I am higher on Simmons than you). Simmons has played great this year and had an outstanding national championship. He will be in the conversation for top 5 at least. If he misses out it won’t be by much. I’m interested to see what he goes into the combine weighing. Could easily seem him walking in at 240-245 and still running a 4.3 look smooth as anything in drills. His hype train will only continue to build.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 19:32:03 GMT -5
Personally if I'm making a big board,Thomas is my 2nd rated player that is a non qb(Young is now number 2 behind Burrow)...Simmons is mid teens for comparison... So to me if I'm at 4 and can't move back a spot or 2 ..Thomas is the pick.. Perfect intersection of BPA,value and need,even in a relatively deep tackle class I’m all for taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA. I’m not sure, though, that an OT will be rated higher Okudah or Simmons (I know I am higher on Simmons than you). I had Okudah, 2 ranked, slip back to 11. Had a choice of a 2 value, and Wirfs, 11th ranked. I redid the draft, haha, cause I would take Okudah all day and every day on that draft...as you suggest, higher rated player despite the positional need. BTW, I am not convinced we pass up on Okudah vs Thomas at 4...Okudah is THAT good a player.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 18, 2020 19:41:10 GMT -5
Personally I love this Simmons. I think I'm thinking more as a Safety than a LBer. But you can put this guy wherever you need him to defend a certain player each game. Next year vs the Ravens you can have him spy Lamar Jackson or cover Andrews his favorite TE.
But more important in our division you can scheme him on different players during the course of the game. For you old timers remember how the Eagles used Brian Dawkens against us. Sometimes it seemed there were 2 of him out there. For you younger guys how Pittsburgh used Palomaulo. ( never could spell his name).
But at #4 as of today before the combine I'm rooting for the OT Thomas. Hope the Lions don't take him. If they do hope were able to trade back.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2020 22:46:36 GMT -5
I disagree . We take the best available OT . Either one with pick 4 if there is one that tops the Giants board available . Or move down and take one lower in the first and acquire more picks. IMO: I just do not see how we can keep ignoring the RT position and hope to get any continuity in the line year after year. The lets try this guy for a year card has been a proven failed model. Quickest way to a bad draft ... pre-decide what position you are going to draft regardless of BPA. I have no problem with taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA, or even if he is one of a group of players with the highest remaining grade. But if Simmons or any other player is rated higher at a position of need, you take that player. The worst odds of success for any draft position has to be OT. If we're drafting an OT at 4 he also needs to be "touched by God." If not, draft the best LB/DE.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 18, 2020 22:50:27 GMT -5
Patriots, always had a very good CB. Presently, Gilmore past Ty Law, Revis, D. Mc Courty and Logan Ryan So, if Judge has a say( as reported) in the draft. It is possible Giants could draft Okudah . Gil Brandt, had said to move Baker to FS. So , who knows , everything is speculation at this time.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 19, 2020 9:44:31 GMT -5
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with speculation. We can target players or positions of need and find a happy marriage between the 2. Especially with the 4th pick in the draft and a top 5 pick every round. The draft isn't till the end of April.
We can't help but get a great player this draft if we stay at #4. I really don't have my mind set on anything. I feel whatever we do were going to be quite a bit stronger.
It's not like when I argued almost everyday on here for us to draft Barkley with board members that were just as set in their opinions opposite mine. And having to be revived last year when we passed up Josh Allen for a QB from Duke. I remember screaming just before I hit the floor. I'm since ok with that pick by the way.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 19, 2020 9:57:22 GMT -5
Don’t necessarily need to get an OT in the first though Personally if I'm making a big board,Thomas is my 2nd rated player that is a non qb(Young is now number 2 behind Burrow)...Simmons is mid teens for comparison... So to me if I'm at 4 and can't move back a spot or 2 ..Thomas is the pick.. Perfect intersection of BPA,value and need,even in a relatively deep tackle class Agreed, hes a unicorn at one of the three premium positions in football. QB, CB, LT. Okudah would be my 2nd choice if we pick @4. Another unicorn at another position of need. Otherwise, trade back.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 19, 2020 10:39:27 GMT -5
Quickest way to a bad draft ... pre-decide what position you are going to draft regardless of BPA. I have no problem with taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA, or even if he is one of a group of players with the highest remaining grade. But if Simmons or any other player is rated higher at a position of need, you take that player. The worst odds of success for any draft position has to be OT. If we're drafting an OT at 4 he also needs to be "touched by God." If not, draft the best LB/DE. Yeah giants fans have a short memory with some things .. we already wasted a 1st round pick on a tackle in the first round not too long ago . Not only that but to make up for that bust we signed another 75 million dollar bust to replace him ... How many picks are we gonna waste on 1 position .. take Simmons fix this damn defense and move on .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 10:52:59 GMT -5
Thomas > Simmons I'm sensing a lot of posters are reading his name a bit now, and not watching them every Saturday.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 19, 2020 13:41:36 GMT -5
We need a young , freak athlete defensive game changer .. we lack game changers on defense. I'm not saying don't take Offensive line but don't take them at 4.. gettleman has already tied up too many resources trying to fix this line and it's not working .. before gettleman we took flowers with our first pick and it was just another waste of a pick so clearly lineman are just as much boom or bust . we can't afford to waste a 4 pick on a lineman .. even with the garbage line we have right now we were still able to move the ball and put up points .. we will not win a competetive game until we value the linebacker position and we don't .. our guys are always getting beat and always slow .. teams eat the giants linebackers alive game after game . These tight ends are getting more and more athletic , and we couldn't even cover whitten .. Jones will be fine if just gets rid of the damn ball when no one is open but Jones will be a perrenial loser no matter how good he is if they don't upgrade this defensive talent and get guys that can cover and rush . I am glad you are not the GM. We have had a different RT every year since Kareem McKenzie in 2011 . That year sounds familiar. So your basically agreeing that our past and current GMs can't evaluate lineman for $&£$ ! We wasted a first round pick on flowers and it screwed this team for 3 years .. then gettleman tried to fix it by giving solder 75 million to be a turnstyle and the hole is still there .. now u want to take a tackle at 4 again fully knowing that our defense is worst than our offense.. I really wonder if some of you actually watch the games or just listen to easy talking points . .. there's no position on the field that's more boom or bust than left tackle .. our defense is Swiss cheese but let's take a tackle.. Dallas had the 1 offensive line for run blocking and 2 offensive line for pass blocking and Where are they for the playoffs ? In the same spot we are bc they couldn't stop anyone either .. with all your GM knowledge sounds like gettleman would enjoy you as an assistant.
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Post by TEM on Jan 25, 2020 18:15:47 GMT -5
I disagree . We take the best available OT . Either one with pick 4 if there is one that tops the Giants board available . Or move down and take one lower in the first and acquire more picks. IMO: I just do not see how we can keep ignoring the RT position and hope to get any continuity in the line year after year. The lets try this guy for a year card has been a proven failed model. Quickest way to a bad draft ... pre-decide what position you are going to draft regardless of BPA. I have no problem with taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA, or even if he is one of a group of players with the highest remaining grade. But if Simmons or any other player is rated higher at a position of need, you take that player. Or trade out of the pick. The giants have only take 2 MLBs in the first round in their entire draft history . One in the 60s one in the 70s . Both with pick 13. IMO: I see us trading down before taking an MLB with the 4th pick.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 25, 2020 18:20:37 GMT -5
Quickest way to a bad draft ... pre-decide what position you are going to draft regardless of BPA. I have no problem with taking an OT at 4 if he is the BPA, or even if he is one of a group of players with the highest remaining grade. But if Simmons or any other player is rated higher at a position of need, you take that player. Or trade out of the pick. The giants have only take 2 MLBs in the first round in their entire draft history . One in the 60s one in the 70s . Both with pick 13. IMO: I see us trading down before taking an MLB with the 4th pick. That’s actually what I would like to see happen ....
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Post by TEM on Jan 25, 2020 18:30:15 GMT -5
Or trade out of the pick. The giants have only take 2 MLBs in the first round in their entire draft history . One in the 60s one in the 70s . Both with pick 13. IMO: I see us trading down before taking an MLB with the 4th pick. That’s actually what I would like to see happen .... I would rather have the picks. There is a lower probability that multiple picks will all be busts than a single pick will be.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 25, 2020 20:46:48 GMT -5
Or trade out of the pick. The giants have only take 2 MLBs in the first round in their entire draft history . One in the 60s one in the 70s . Both with pick 13. IMO: I see us trading down before taking an MLB with the 4th pick. That’s actually what I would like to see happen .... There seem to be a lot of guys with a similar ranking (atm) in the top 15. Joe Burrow and Chase Young are the only guys this year that have really separated themselves.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 26, 2020 9:38:34 GMT -5
I'm not seeing the high risk... He's a physical freak at 6 "3 230 pounds and runs a 4.3 40 yd dash . He played 3 or 4 different positions on the number 2 team in the country .. we have no greater need on this team than someone who can rush the passer as well as cover backs and tight ends . He is an athlete with no defined role that plays football We also have a huge need at tackle to protect our new franchise qb and to dominate the LOS with s much safer proven player sitting there at number 4 There are actual legit fast young linebackers on LSU tgat we can get day 2 or Troy Dye.. I agree that OT should be more of a need, it will protect the QB, set the tone in the run game, and allow DJ more time so the routes can develop. That being said, id be cool with Simmons even though i prefer OT. IMO the perfect draft would go... 1st: OT Andrew Thomas 2nd: C Tyler Biadasz 3rd: LB Troy Dye
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 26, 2020 10:16:12 GMT -5
He is an athlete with no defined role that plays football We also have a huge need at tackle to protect our new franchise qb and to dominate the LOS with s much safer proven player sitting there at number 4 There are actual legit fast young linebackers on LSU tgat we can get day 2 or Troy Dye.. I agree that OT should be more of a need, it will protect the QB, set the tone in the run game, and allow DJ more time so the routes can develop. That being said, id be cool with Simmons even though i prefer OT. IMO the perfect draft would go... 1st: OT Andrew Thomas 2nd: C Tyler Biadasz 3rd: LB Troy Dye Unfortunately we aren't getting Biadasz unless we somehow steal Miami's pick from Pittsburgh in a trade back because he will go that early Cushenburry is a nice consolation prize at 2 though.. Or Thomas Queen Williams...
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