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Post by IrishMike on Jan 9, 2020 20:32:26 GMT -5
People can say what they want about Gettlemen but his time here and made a lot of people does a 180 turn after bashing him.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 9, 2020 20:44:21 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams.
In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up..
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Post by GameTime on Jan 9, 2020 20:52:21 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams. In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up.. Cowturd does it all the time. He makes his living on BS and hyperbole... |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 9, 2020 21:39:50 GMT -5
And this is why I I only listen to Sirius NFL radio or watch the NFL network
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:41:28 GMT -5
Oh no!!! Now who will Harooni refer to?
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 9, 2020 21:42:19 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams. In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up.. Who said Gettleman hired a head coach? |
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Post by Nite on Jan 9, 2020 21:42:28 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams. In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up.. Standard media blather. Thats what they do, thats also why I don't take them seriously |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 9, 2020 21:47:01 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams. In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up.. Who said Gettleman hired a head coach? Did you read the article?? “ I think the Giants panicked. I think Dave Gettleman panicked. This is a bad move to me,” Cowherd said. “This guy is an assistant. He is not ready, in my opinion, to be a head coach.”You also said many detractors pulled a 180 on Gettleman. Sounds awfully like you and Colin are crediting Gettleman for the hire. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 9, 2020 21:53:42 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams. In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up.. Who said Gettleman hired a head coach? If he no good like Shurmur weren't they saying he hired Shurmur lol, If he turns out great Gettlemen gets 0 credit. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 9, 2020 22:00:47 GMT -5
Who said Gettleman hired a head coach? Did you read the article?? “ I think the Giants panicked. I think Dave Gettleman panicked. This is a bad move to me,” Cowherd said. “This guy is an assistant. He is not ready, in my opinion, to be a head coach.”You also said many detractors pulled a 180 on Gettleman. Sounds awfully like you and Colin are crediting Gettleman for the hire. It's all a bunch of BS Gettlemen and Abrams most likely give the owners their  or down on the candidate Mara and tichs have the final say. They all have input the interesting thing is did Mara ever go against the advice. from any of the last 3 GMs and their seconds. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 9, 2020 22:11:28 GMT -5
Did you read the article?? “ I think the Giants panicked. I think Dave Gettleman panicked. This is a bad move to me,” Cowherd said. “This guy is an assistant. He is not ready, in my opinion, to be a head coach.”You also said many detractors pulled a 180 on Gettleman. Sounds awfully like you and Colin are crediting Gettleman for the hire. It's all a bunch of BS Gettlemen and Abrams most likely give the owners their or down on the candidate Mara and tichs have the final say. They all have input the interesting thing is did Mara ever go against the advice. from any of the last 3 GMs and their seconds. I know with Reese he didn’t want McAdoo as the head coach. It was reported he liked two other candidates over McAdoo. But Mara made the decision on McAdoo and the rest is shit history. Look, the Giants with John Mara have always been a franchise that all final decisions that involve head coaches, general managers, and high profile player decisions have to go through him. Shurmur being fired was a owners decision. Gettleman has been on record that he was against it. “Decision came from up top.” If Judge turns out to be the next great head coach the credit should be a collective effort. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 9, 2020 22:29:46 GMT -5
Oh no!!! Now who will Harooni refer to? Shannon Sharpe |
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 9, 2020 22:47:20 GMT -5
He's done a 180 in 2 days. Or is it a 360 in three days? Hard to keep track of stupidity these days.
According to MH, this makes him "interesting and provocative." I afraid he's right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 22:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 10, 2020 17:20:35 GMT -5
Who said Gettleman hired a head coach? Did you read the article?? “ I think the Giants panicked. I think Dave Gettleman panicked. This is a bad move to me,” Cowherd said. “This guy is an assistant. He is not ready, in my opinion, to be a head coach.”You also said many detractors pulled a 180 on Gettleman. Sounds awfully like you and Colin are crediting Gettleman for the hire. I wasn't sure if your comment was directed to me or the article so I asked. I didn't credit anyone. It was a comment on media heads bashing him (whether it was his doing or not) and then changing their tune. |
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Post by Shim on Jan 10, 2020 18:33:47 GMT -5
So people find it hilarious that Cowherd flip-flopped on his original assessment, correct? And this isn't a case where Colin is a good man for not falling in love with his own opinion and being able to accept views that are contrary to his? I'm just keeping tallies for this thread: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5664/zacs-on-joeThanks. |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 10, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -5
I listen to the Herd all the time. Big fan of his show. Even when I disagree with his opinion, I tend to like his point of view and can appreciate how he gets to his opinion.
One thing Cowherd always says is he's always willing to change his mind based on new information. I have to assume, like nearly every single person on this MB, Cowherd simply didn't know who Judge was. When you consider how bad we've been in recent years and the "questionable" moves DG has made in his short tenure, and then take into account we hire an unknown ST/Positions coach as our new HC, it's easy to understand why someone would say we panicked.
Not for nothing, but the reaction by most on this MB was the same as Cowherd's, and the majority of those people are now doing the same 180 Cowherd's being called out for.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 10, 2020 18:55:16 GMT -5
I listen to the Herd all the time. Big fan of his show. Even when I disagree with his opinion, I tend to like his point of view and can appreciate how he gets to his opinion. One thing Cowherd always says is he's always willing to change his mind based on new information. I have to assume, like nearly every single person on this MB, Cowherd simply didn't know who Judge was. When you consider how bad we've been in recent years and the "questionable" moves DG has made in his short tenure, and then take into account we hire an unknown ST/Positions coach as our new HC, it's easy to understand why someone would say we panicked. Not for nothing, but the reaction by most on this MB was the same as Cowherd's, and the majority of those people are now doing the same 180 Cowherd's being called out for. Well, he gets paid for doing this so I would think that his credibility is more of a concern. How about coming out with a more measured approach until you actually know what you are talking about? |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 10, 2020 19:10:22 GMT -5
I listen to the Herd all the time. Big fan of his show. Even when I disagree with his opinion, I tend to like his point of view and can appreciate how he gets to his opinion. One thing Cowherd always says is he's always willing to change his mind based on new information. I have to assume, like nearly every single person on this MB, Cowherd simply didn't know who Judge was. When you consider how bad we've been in recent years and the "questionable" moves DG has made in his short tenure, and then take into account we hire an unknown ST/Positions coach as our new HC, it's easy to understand why someone would say we panicked. Not for nothing, but the reaction by most on this MB was the same as Cowherd's, and the majority of those people are now doing the same 180 Cowherd's being called out for. Well, he gets paid for doing this so I would think that his credibility is more of a concern. How about coming out with a more measured approach until you actually know what you are talking about? Absolutely, fair enough. He should've done some research before speaking on it, but this was the hot news and it happened right before his show came on. I was actually listening to the show that day, and Colin was joking with Joy about how they could throw out the scripts and plans for that day because of the sudden news. So, I don't disagree with you, but his job is to literally speak and have that immediate reaction. Cowherd has a 3 hour show. Besides the small interactions with Joy, he's solo. When you think about it, he probably says more than 25,000 words each day. If we expect him to hold true to every one of those words, and never allow him to change his mind, that's asking a lot. I can see how folks don't like him, but this shouldn't be one of those reasons. |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 10, 2020 19:18:20 GMT -5
Well, he gets paid for doing this so I would think that his credibility is more of a concern. How about coming out with a more measured approach until you actually know what you are talking about? Absolutely, fair enough. He should've done some research before speaking on it, but this was the hot news and it happened right before his show came on. I was actually listening to the show that day, and Colin was joking with Joy about how they could throw out the scripts and plans for that day because of the sudden news. So, I don't disagree with you, but his job is to literally speak and have that immediate reaction. Cowherd has a 3 hour show. Besides the small interactions with Joy, he's solo. When you think about it, he probably says more than 25,000 words each day. If we expect him to hold true to every one of those words, and never allow him to change his mind, that's asking a lot. I can see how folks don't like him, but this shouldn't be one of those reasons. I'm just reading the article now, and Colin actually calls himself out..... “Yesterday when Joe Judge got hired my takeaway was, ‘Good God, this feels like a panic move!’ But now that I’ve read [everything], maybe Judge will be special,” Cowherd said. “There are some late bloomers, but most exceptional people separate very early and you can spot them very early. Judge is in his 30s and it’s very possible that Dave Gettleman saw what Bill Belichick and Nick Saban did." |
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So people find it hilarious that Cowherd flip-flopped on his original assessment, correct? And this isn't a case where Colin is a good man for not falling in love with his own opinion and being able to accept views that are contrary to his? I'm just keeping tallies for this thread: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5664/zacs-on-joeThanks. So, now you want to look like a fool in 2 threads? Ok.........I'm not much of a Cowherd fan. He says a lot of ridiculous things for clicks.......but he gets kudos for publicly admitting that he over reacted and may have been wrong about Judge. There....now you look stupid twice, in 2 different threads trying to make the same dumb point. Bravo. Sometimes people are wrong. I have much more respect for people that can own up to it rather than someone who refuses to accept new information because it makes them wrong. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 10, 2020 21:40:37 GMT -5
I listen to the Herd all the time. Big fan of his show. Even when I disagree with his opinion, I tend to like his point of view and can appreciate how he gets to his opinion. One thing Cowherd always says is he's always willing to change his mind based on new information. I have to assume, like nearly every single person on this MB, Cowherd simply didn't know who Judge was. When you consider how bad we've been in recent years and the "questionable" moves DG has made in his short tenure, and then take into account we hire an unknown ST/Positions coach as our new HC, it's easy to understand why someone would say we panicked. Not for nothing, but the reaction by most on this MB was the same as Cowherd's, and the majority of those people are now doing the same 180 Cowherd's being called out for. Well, he gets paid for doing this so I would think that his credibility is more of a concern. How about coming out with a more measured approach until you actually know what you are talking about? He gets paid for views/clicks/subs ect. Credibility doesn't mean anything as long as people tune in or read what you put out there. In fact his whole over the top reaction BS that he does is why people like him. Same with Stephen A Smith.
Credibility in journalism doesn't exist anymore.
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Post by gmen46 on Jan 10, 2020 23:04:17 GMT -5
Since when did Gettleman hire a head coach? To my understanding it has always been a decision that Mara and Tisch made. Gettleman was part of the interviewing process as Kevin Abrams. In 24 hours Colin went from hating the decision to thinking he could be the next great head coach. You can’t make this stuff up.. Cowturd does it all the time. He makes his living on BS and hyperbole... As does virtually every other radio talk show host, regardless of subject arena |
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Post by gmen46 on Jan 10, 2020 23:33:09 GMT -5
Well, he gets paid for doing this so I would think that his credibility is more of a concern. How about coming out with a more measured approach until you actually know what you are talking about? He gets paid for views/clicks/subs ect. Credibility doesn't mean anything as long as people tune in or read what you put out there. In fact his whole over the top reaction BS that he does is why people like him. Same with Stephen A Smith.
Credibility in journalism doesn't exist anymore.
That final sentence is not a fair statement. Stephen A and Cowhird are not journalists. They don’t report the news, they react to the news. They are opinion givers. A big difference. Essentially they are paid to do what fans on sports message boards do daily for free. They spend more time reading , watching, and listening to actual sports news than most of us do on a daily basis, but what comes out their mouths is strictly opinion, not news or reporting. My issue with these guys (and all the other opinion pundits):is not when they backtrack or change their minds afte obtaining more information. That’s being human. My issue with them is when they admit they know nothing about an individual but go on to trash said individual and/or the person who hired that individual anyway. Nearly all of them did the same thing within the first hours of the Judge hiring that they did with the Daniel Jones draft pick. They all shoot first, ask questions later. And they do it constantly. Credibility? They don’t need no stinking credibility. Their faithful fans continue to listen to them anyway. THAT’S their “credibility”. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 10, 2020 23:33:52 GMT -5
I listen to the Herd all the time. Big fan of his show. Even when I disagree with his opinion, I tend to like his point of view and can appreciate how he gets to his opinion. One thing Cowherd always says is he's always willing to change his mind based on new information. I have to assume, like nearly every single person on this MB, Cowherd simply didn't know who Judge was. When you consider how bad we've been in recent years and the "questionable" moves DG has made in his short tenure, and then take into account we hire an unknown ST/Positions coach as our new HC, it's easy to understand why someone would say we panicked. Not for nothing, but the reaction by most on this MB was the same as Cowherd's, and the majority of those people are now doing the same 180 Cowherd's being called out for. Well, he gets paid for doing this so I would think that his credibility is more of a concern. How about coming out with a more measured approach until you actually know what you are talking about? You'd think. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 11, 2020 0:00:17 GMT -5
He gets paid for views/clicks/subs ect. Credibility doesn't mean anything as long as people tune in or read what you put out there. In fact his whole over the top reaction BS that he does is why people like him. Same with Stephen A Smith.
Credibility in journalism doesn't exist anymore.
That final sentence is not a fair statement. Stephen A and Cowhird are not journalists. They don’t report the news, they react to the news. They are opinion givers. A big difference. Essentially they are paid to do what fans on sports message boards do daily for free. They spend more time reading , watching, and listening to actual sports news than most of us do on a daily basis, but what comes out their mouths is strictly opinion, not news or reporting. My issue with these guys (and all the other opinion pundits):is not when they backtrack or change their minds afte obtaining more information. That’s being human. My issue with them is when they admit they know nothing about an individual but go on to trash said individual and/or the person who hired that individual anyway. Nearly all of them did the same thing within the first hours of the Judge hiring that they did with the Daniel Jones draft pick. They all shoot first, ask questions later. And they do it constantly. Credibility? They don’t need no stinking credibility. Their faithful fans continue to listen to them anyway. THAT’S their “credibility”. 100%, they have to blurt out a comment and give an opinion right away because fans need that constant news source. I have probably read 50 articles about the Judge hire in the last two days and almost all of them are the same article lol. But each site I went to got a click so they were happy.
Real "journalists" are the exact same way now though. Just blurt out an opinion and figure out the facts later. You have to get your article out fast though to get the clicks. True journalists hardly exist anymore, very few and far between.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 11, 2020 0:15:48 GMT -5
It's very common for fans to feel disgust for commentators who criticize their teams.....or just who say things they disagree with. Well every commentator is going to say things fans don't like.
Unfortunately the Giants are almost 30 games under .500 over the past 7 years. They ARE going to be criticized.
So everyone ask yourselves.....what on air personalities DO you like. Isn't it those who tend to agree with you?
Colin Cowherd says what he thinks and often it's visceral. That's fine by me. I disagree with a lot of what he says. But I enjoy listening to him. He's bold. He often examines the mental or psychological side of sports, which I find interesting. In this case, he's guilty of exactly what many posters did in the past few days. They hated the Judge hire....then changed their minds. I don't blame anyone for that. It's normal to bristle at the hiring of someone you know next to nothing about to such a high priority position.
I say....so what? The more chatter the better.
Give me someone who says what they think and does it in an interesting way. In this case, he admitted he was too quick to judge. Isn't that a good thing?
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Post by GameTime on Jan 11, 2020 6:33:14 GMT -5
Cowturd does it all the time. He makes his living on BS and hyperbole... As does virtually every other radio talk show host, regardless of subject arena not true all... Thats why tools like Cowherd and Baylis stick out. They are over the top all the time. |
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Post by gmen46 on Jan 11, 2020 13:58:59 GMT -5
It's very common for fans to feel disgust for commentators who criticize their teams.....or just who say things they disagree with. Well every commentator is going to say things fans don't like. Unfortunately the Giants are almost 30 games under .500 over the past 7 years. They ARE going to be criticized. So everyone ask yourselves.....what on air personalities DO you like. Isn't it those who tend to agree with you? Colin Cowherd says what he thinks and often it's visceral. That's fine by me. I disagree with a lot of what he says. But I enjoy listening to him. He's bold. He often examines the mental or psychological side of sports, which I find interesting. In this case, he's guilty of exactly what many posters did in the past few days. They hated the Judge hire....then changed their minds. I don't blame anyone for that. It's normal to bristle at the hiring of someone you know next to nothing about to such a high priority position. I say....so what? The more chatter the better. Give me someone who says what they think and does it in an interesting way. In this case, he admitted he was too quick to judge. Isn't that a good thing? What would also be a good thing is if he and others of his ilk would take 5-10 minutes to research a person he never heard of BEFORE he spews out opinionated nonsense about said subject, as opposed to AFTER spewing. Too much to ask of a radio personality, to prepare for his job? Just wondering. |
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Post by gmen46 on Jan 11, 2020 14:03:22 GMT -5
As does virtually every other radio talk show host, regardless of subject arena not true all... Thats why tools like Cowherd and Baylis stick out. They are over the top all the time. Those two just possess a higher obnoxious quotient than many of their ilk. Doesn’t negate my observation of the industry of radio talk show hosts in general. We’re really not in disagreement here. |
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or down on the candidate Mara and tichs have the final say. They all have input the interesting thing is did Mara ever go against the advice. from any of the last 3 GMs and their seconds. 
