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Post by tjs418 on Jan 11, 2020 9:12:29 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit my first reaction was who ? My 2nd was to moan because let's be honest nobody from the Bellicheck coaching tree has worked out.
But man that press conference sold me. Forgot about Judge saying what we say. It was the way he said it. He has a.composure and swagger that wont be intimidated by the Big Apple.. Cant say I felt the same way about the last couple of coaches..
Here is a hoping he is here for along time
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2020 9:13:07 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 11, 2020 9:33:09 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is. The talk is the easy part but so many get that wrong too. He sounds sincere and not just "canned" answers. if Judge had a "bad" presser he'd be getting mauled for it. He has to start some where and the presser is the first real exposure ti the fans and the media. He inspires trust right from the start IMO.
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2020 9:37:12 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is. The talk is the easy part but so many get that wrong too. He sounds sincere and not just "canned" answers. if Judge had a "bad" presser he'd be getting mauled for it. He has to start some where and the presser is the first real exposure ti the fans and the media. He inspires trust right from the start IMO. As I said it was well scripted .He had the right people helping him write his speech.( a good sign for a judge of talent) As far as implementation that is the difficult task.
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Post by 3days on Jan 11, 2020 12:37:23 GMT -5
Everyone always overreacts to everything. Even this MB, fans overreacted. Even that one guy YA, who everyone seems to consider a knowledgeable poster, went off the deep end after the announcement. I had never heard of Judge, but I'm not in the business to know potential coached. So, I simply researched him after the fact and everything I've read, and everything I've heard, has been absolutely top notch. I couldn't be happier with the hire. Lately especially on the MB
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Post by Merc on Jan 11, 2020 13:33:12 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is. Let's see what kind of staff he puts together. That will tell us a lot.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 11, 2020 14:33:02 GMT -5
Maybe we finally did something right ? I truly hope so. I find myself excited and intrigued by this guy and I'm usually a skeptic. I am hoping so much that this works. I am talking myself up. For the first time in the last 3 HC hires I'm optimistic, instead of just hopeful and disappointed.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 11, 2020 14:39:07 GMT -5
The talk is the easy part but so many get that wrong too. He sounds sincere and not just "canned" answers. if Judge had a "bad" presser he'd be getting mauled for it. He has to start some where and the presser is the first real exposure ti the fans and the media. He inspires trust right from the start IMO. As I said it was well scripted .He had the right people helping him write his speech.( a good sign for a judge of talent) As far as implementation that is the difficult task. Write his speech? It's not politics dude, the guy prepared his own intro haha. And it wasn't the football cliches that impressed everyone it was his speaking ability, confidence, and command of a room. We can all be impressed with those qualities and be excited without thinking he's the next Vince Lombardi.
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Post by weekendwarrior on Jan 11, 2020 14:55:47 GMT -5
As I said it was well scripted .He had the right people helping him write his speech.( a good sign for a judge of talent) As far as implementation that is the difficult task. Write his speech? It's not politics dude, the guy prepared his own intro haha. And it wasn't the football cliches that impressed everyone it was his speaking ability, confidence, and command of a room. We can all be impressed with those qualities and be excited without thinking he's the next Vince Lombardi. I would also point out that there were pictures of him writing the speech on the plane ride down. I dont think it was that scripted, just put down some bullet points
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 11, 2020 15:08:11 GMT -5
When it was announced, every Giants fan I knew called me going crazy. “What have they done?!!?!” “They kept Gettleman, that’s why they couldn’t get anyone!!!”
But I’ll tell you what, Giants fans: every single person in the NFL says this dude is a stud. Absolute culture builder, smart, knows how to lead, he’ll have a great plan. I’ve honestly heard nothing but phenomenal things. Not just from special teams coaches, but from other coaches. This guy is electrifying. He’s an off-the-radar kind of guy. Ah the standard non specific Giants fan lament. For a pariah of a GM and team there sure was no shortage of candidates from which to choose. Go figure. The awesome thing is like all of these empty proclamations, no proof is ever required. Just say it a lot and it becomes real.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 11, 2020 15:22:20 GMT -5
Write his speech? It's not politics dude, the guy prepared his own intro haha. And it wasn't the football cliches that impressed everyone it was his speaking ability, confidence, and command of a room. We can all be impressed with those qualities and be excited without thinking he's the next Vince Lombardi. I would also point out that there were pictures of him writing the speech on the plane ride down. I dont think it was that scripted, just put down some bullet points Absolutely.
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Post by smitty on Jan 11, 2020 15:37:06 GMT -5
We have no idea what to expect from Judge. My reservation is signing an unknown at the recommendation of a league competitor.
All we know is that we were in the head coaching abyss with one only direction to go.
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Post by SemperFi on Jan 11, 2020 17:06:34 GMT -5
We have no idea what to expect from Judge. My reservation is signing an unknown at the recommendation of a league competitor. All we know is that we were in the head coaching abyss with one only direction to go. Of course we know what to expect from Judge. What a foolish statement. You realize you are in the 1% of this argument. We expect Judge to continue to be what he has been, a very intelligent dude that checks every box a fan hope for. I refuse to go chapter and verse to back up this statement because it is plainly obvious. Stop, look and listen.
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Post by weekendwarrior on Jan 11, 2020 17:12:12 GMT -5
We have no idea what to expect from Judge. My reservation is signing an unknown at the recommendation of a league competitor. All we know is that we were in the head coaching abyss with one only direction to go. Of course we know what to expect from Judge. What a foolish statement. You realize you are in the 1% of this argument. We expect Judge to continue to be what he has been, a very intelligent dude that checks every box a fan hope for. I refuse to go chapter and verse to back up this statement because it is plainly obvious. Stop, look and listen. I really like judge but the question isnt whether we know what he will be, its whether a guy can be a hardo and demanding on his players and get through to his team. He himself doesnt have results as a head coach to hang his hat on. He really needs early buy-in from his team or he could lose them. I tend to think he will be successful in achieving that but that's what the risk of this hire is.
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Post by SemperFi on Jan 11, 2020 17:25:38 GMT -5
Of course we know what to expect from Judge. What a foolish statement. You realize you are in the 1% of this argument. We expect Judge to continue to be what he has been, a very intelligent dude that checks every box a fan hope for. I refuse to go chapter and verse to back up this statement because it is plainly obvious. Stop, look and listen. I really like judge but the question isnt whether we know what he will be, its whether a guy can be a hardo and demanding on his players and get through to his team. He himself doesnt have results as a head coach to hang his hat on. He really needs early buy-in from his team or he could lose them. I tend to think he will be successful in achieving that but that's what the risk of this hire is. There's always a risk...no sure thing for sure. But to say; "We have no idea what to expect from judge" is just foolish. He was not snatched from a cabbage patch last week. He has bona fides that give us the right to be thrilled about our team going forward. I don't understand the beat-down attitude of some people.
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 11, 2020 17:29:42 GMT -5
Of course we know what to expect from Judge. What a foolish statement. You realize you are in the 1% of this argument. We expect Judge to continue to be what he has been, a very intelligent dude that checks every box a fan hope for. I refuse to go chapter and verse to back up this statement because it is plainly obvious. Stop, look and listen. I really like judge but the question isnt whether we know what he will be, its whether a guy can be a hardo and demanding on his players and get through to his team. He himself doesnt have results as a head coach to hang his hat on. He really needs early buy-in from his team or he could lose them. I tend to think he will be successful in achieving that but that's what the risk of this hire is. IMO, the team is young and eager enough to accommodate most coaching styles. Had the team possessed a larger veteran presence I would be more concerned with a strict demanding approach.
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Post by weekendwarrior on Jan 11, 2020 20:32:41 GMT -5
I really like judge but the question isnt whether we know what he will be, its whether a guy can be a hardo and demanding on his players and get through to his team. He himself doesnt have results as a head coach to hang his hat on. He really needs early buy-in from his team or he could lose them. I tend to think he will be successful in achieving that but that's what the risk of this hire is. There's always a risk...no sure thing for sure. But to say; "We have no idea what to expect from judge" is just foolish. He was not snatched from a cabbage patch last week. He has bona fides that give us the right to be thrilled about our team going forward. I don't understand the beat-down attitude of some people. let's hope you are right. I am thinking positive as well. I do think it's fair though to say that the risks of a coach of his style are real. It takes two to tango. The players need to buy in. I think the will but nothongs guaranteed
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 11, 2020 22:24:58 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is. Was everything scripted with McAdoo too?
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 7:55:05 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is. Was everything scripted with McAdoo too? Do you think it was?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 12, 2020 8:10:37 GMT -5
The talk is the easy part but so many get that wrong too. He sounds sincere and not just "canned" answers. if Judge had a "bad" presser he'd be getting mauled for it. He has to start some where and the presser is the first real exposure ti the fans and the media. He inspires trust right from the start IMO. As I said it was well scripted .He had the right people helping him write his speech.( a good sign for a judge of talent) As far as implementation that is the difficult task. How do you know that anyone helped him write his speech?
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 8:15:40 GMT -5
As I said it was well scripted .He had the right people helping him write his speech.( a good sign for a judge of talent) As far as implementation that is the difficult task. Write his speech? It's not politics dude, the guy prepared his own intro haha. And it wasn't the football cliches that impressed everyone it was his speaking ability, confidence, and command of a room. We can all be impressed with those qualities and be excited without thinking he's the next Vince Lombardi. Politicians have speaking ability confidence and command of the room also. They use speech writers. That is not the point I was making. Talk is talk and impressive speech is only a splendid use of vocabulary to ensue an aura of competence. Implementation of stratagem on the other hand has been proven to be much more difficult to master than the word spoken to convey it. Some of the greatest coaches in the NFL have been soft spoken and reserved. Men of few words. It has never been the size of the coaches thesaurus that makes an good NFL coach. It is always been his decision making as it pertains to the situation at hand. I like his ideology , but remain reserved until he proves it to be demonstrated on the field.
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 8:30:57 GMT -5
As I said it was well scripted .He had the right people helping him write his speech.( a good sign for a judge of talent) As far as implementation that is the difficult task. How do you know that anyone helped him write his speech? It was too coordinated. I know it from the field I am in . Most speeches are ruff drafts and jumbled mess of loop backs to make a point. We have marketing people on staff that refined and edited them to ensure smooth flow of the output of the speech. If you listened to Matt Rhule's speech. It was more of a church sermon than a speech. Probably because he father was a pastor of a congregation. It was also unrefined and had gaffes in it that a HC should never say . Judge's was cohesive. . His speech was too correctly to the point and linier not have had help. You are not born with that kind of writing continuity . That is learned with experience.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jan 12, 2020 8:48:00 GMT -5
How do you know that anyone helped him write his speech? It was too coordinated. I know it from the field I am in . Most speeches are ruff drafts and jumbled mess of loop backs to make a point. We have marketing people on staff that refined and edited them to ensure smooth flow of the output of the speech. If you listened to Matt Rhule's speech. It was more of a church sermon than a speech. Probably because he father was a pastor of a congregation. It was also unrefined and had gaffes in it that a HC should never say . Judge's was cohesive. . His speech was too correctly to the point and linier not have had help. You are not born with that kind of writing continuity . That is learned with experience. Or maybe he is just a good writer? He is most of the way to getting a doctorate, afterall, which would have given him ample opportunity to hone his writing.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 12, 2020 8:51:08 GMT -5
How do you know that anyone helped him write his speech? It was too coordinated. I know it from the field I am in . Most speeches are ruff drafts and jumbled mess of loop backs to make a point. We have marketing people on staff that refined and edited them to ensure smooth flow of the output of the speech. If you listened to Matt Rhule's speech. It was more of a church sermon than a speech. Probably because he father was a pastor of a congregation. It was also unrefined and had gaffes in it that a HC should never say . Judge's was cohesive. . His speech was too correctly to the point and linier not have had help. You are not born with that kind of writing continuity . That is learned with experience. he's educated, has masters degree, and approaching a Phd. I assume he has written many papers etc. Maybe he had help and maybe he didnt. What does it matter either way? You say its a "learned expereince". Maybe he learned it.....no? Did he prepare and practice it? I am sure he did. Why wouldnt he.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 12, 2020 9:09:28 GMT -5
How do you know that anyone helped him write his speech? It was too coordinated. I know it from the field I am in . Most speeches are ruff drafts and jumbled mess of loop backs to make a point. We have marketing people on staff that refined and edited them to ensure smooth flow of the output of the speech. If you listened to Matt Rhule's speech. It was more of a church sermon than a speech. Probably because he father was a pastor of a congregation. It was also unrefined and had gaffes in it that a HC should never say . Judge's was cohesive. . His speech was too correctly to the point and linier not have had help. You are not born with that kind of writing continuity . That is learned with experience. So ... you don’t know. Got it
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 9:20:35 GMT -5
Judge talks a good game. I like what he said. Everything was scripted to correlate to what is necessary to be a HC. The talk is easy part. The implementation of what he said, will reflect his IQ and what his true resolve is. Let's see what kind of staff he puts together. That will tell us a lot. I agree to some extent. Some of the stuff he wants to implement is easier said that done. It is easy for BB to get his players to buy into "the Patriot way" They have decades of a proven winning model. Trying to execute that cult like philosophy of putting the team before your family, play when you are sick, play when you are injured, practice in the weather, full pads, full on hits in practice. Is not the unexacting loyalty that comes with just an idea. There has to be some assemblance of track record encourage that kind of fowling. The Giants do not have we have been to 9 Super bowls in the past 18 years doing it this way as a trump card to aggregate that kind of loyalty from a player. This in not the pre 90s NFL when that kind of player mindset was the norm.
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 9:21:57 GMT -5
It was too coordinated. I know it from the field I am in . Most speeches are ruff drafts and jumbled mess of loop backs to make a point. We have marketing people on staff that refined and edited them to ensure smooth flow of the output of the speech. If you listened to Matt Rhule's speech. It was more of a church sermon than a speech. Probably because he father was a pastor of a congregation. It was also unrefined and had gaffes in it that a HC should never say . Judge's was cohesive. . His speech was too correctly to the point and linier not have had help. You are not born with that kind of writing continuity . That is learned with experience. So ... you don’t know. Got it I think he had a speech writer. at the same time you can't say he didn't. My logic is. It sounded as if he did.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 12, 2020 9:24:42 GMT -5
Let's see what kind of staff he puts together. That will tell us a lot. I agree to some extent. Some of the stuff he wants to implement is easier said that done. It is easy for BB to get his players to buy into "the Patriot way" They have decades of a proven winning model. Trying to execute that cult like philosophy of putting the team before your family, play when you are sick, play when you are injured, practice in the weather, full pads, full on hits in practice. Is not the unexacting loyalty that comes with just an idea. There has to be some assemblance of track record encourage that kind of fowling. The Giants do not have we have been to 9 Super bowls in the past 18 years doing it this way as a trump card to aggregate that kind of loyalty from a player. This in not the pre 90s NFL when that kind of player mindset was the norm. he has to start somewhere. You dont get a track record out of thin air. I am sure Judge realizes he's the newbie coach. He will gain respect by respecting the players and coaches. A good coach build enthusiasm. Tall order but it has to be done.
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 9:27:49 GMT -5
It was too coordinated. I know it from the field I am in . Most speeches are ruff drafts and jumbled mess of loop backs to make a point. We have marketing people on staff that refined and edited them to ensure smooth flow of the output of the speech. If you listened to Matt Rhule's speech. It was more of a church sermon than a speech. Probably because he father was a pastor of a congregation. It was also unrefined and had gaffes in it that a HC should never say . Judge's was cohesive. . His speech was too correctly to the point and linier not have had help. You are not born with that kind of writing continuity . That is learned with experience. Or maybe he is just a good writer? He is most of the way to getting a doctorate, afterall, which would have given him ample opportunity to hone his writing. That could be the case. Being a good write and conveyor of ideas. Is not a indicator of competence as a HC. Only if he can do what he states. that is the hard part. Some of the player incentives he wants to implement . I think is next to impossible.
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 9:36:46 GMT -5
I agree to some extent. Some of the stuff he wants to implement is easier said that done. It is easy for BB to get his players to buy into "the Patriot way" They have decades of a proven winning model. Trying to execute that cult like philosophy of putting the team before your family, play when you are sick, play when you are injured, practice in the weather, full pads, full on hits in practice. Is not the unexacting loyalty that comes with just an idea. There has to be some assemblance of track record encourage that kind of fowling. The Giants do not have we have been to 9 Super bowls in the past 18 years doing it this way as a trump card to aggregate that kind of loyalty from a player. This in not the pre 90s NFL when that kind of player mindset was the norm. he has to start somewhere. You dont get a track record out of thin air. I am sure Judge realizes he's the newbie coach. He will gain respect by respecting the players and coaches. A good coach build enthusiasm. Tall order but it has to be done. I agree. it is a tall order. Can it be done? Especially when players take into account the parameters of their physical well being as important. IMO: that ship has sailed. That is not the NFL today . Playing sick. injured going full bore in practice are not in the arsenal of todays highly paid NFL players. They want to get paid. Taking one for the team and risking IR interferes with that plan. I think that is next to impossible to get all 53 to buy into that mindset. It sounded great while he was saying it. When I had time to reflect on his ideology . Is it feasible in todays NFL? That is another side to that you place the team above all else demand. If the players feel disrespected by unreasonable expatiations. The locker room can be lost rapidly. Example: Coach I have a sore knee .I need a few. Get out there and practice. The player blows an MCL. The entire team just witnessed what transpired. What is the scenario after that?
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