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Post by infinite420 on Jan 12, 2020 9:42:02 GMT -5
He or Byron Jones should be the #1 FA target. Huge need at RT. Those 2 are my top.2.choices Judge-what does a player do.well Byron Jones Outside corner,slot corner,FS..all at a high level I think if we whiff on Jones AND Conklin in FA, we have to stand pat at pick #4 and take either Thomas or Okudah there. But snagging one of them, gives us alot of draft flexibility. Land Conklin, draft Okudah. Or land Jones, draft Thomas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 9:43:36 GMT -5
We need an team that knows how to run block. It is that simple. TEM...how do you like Cole Van Lanen, the left tackle from Wisconsin. He's probably the best run blocker coming out...looks to project more as a guard in the NFL He's the LT who had success in the 2nd game vs Chase Young thedraftnetwork.com/player/cole-van-lanen/iWXcKW6UU3
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 12, 2020 9:48:39 GMT -5
This Derrick Henry is a beast. But those 2 monster Tackles Lewan and Conklin have a lot to do with giving him those gaps off Tackle. He is better than Jacobs though. But I loved Brandon.
That season where Jacobs and Ward gained over a 1,000 yds and Bradshaw had like 700. I loved it.
Lets get ourselves a big strong OT this year and Saquon could stand people on their heads with all his talent.
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 9:50:31 GMT -5
TEM...how do you like Cole Van Lanen, the left tackle from Wisconsin. He's probably the best run blocker coming out...looks to project more as a guard in the NFL He's the LT who had success in the 2nd game vs Chase Young thedraftnetwork.com/player/cole-van-lanen/iWXcKW6UU3Is his pass protection good?
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Post by roundabout on Jan 12, 2020 9:52:41 GMT -5
BJ is one of our all-time top backs.
I would take a guy like that over a Lamar Jackson. How long do you give Jackson before he's knocked out? This kid is playing on borrowed time.
Lamar Jackson has one of the strongest arms in NFL; that young man is here to stay. I wouldn't hesitate to take Lamar Jackson over what we have at QB. Obviously I wouldn't take him over Brandon Jacobs after the history Brandon has had with NY Giants but another back with the same strengths and physical ability as Brandon Jacobs or Lamar Jackson, its a no brainer, I take Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is a special QB. He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell?
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Post by bavarobeast on Jan 12, 2020 9:53:11 GMT -5
Ehh I'll take what we have and another with his skill sets and pressure the defense with backs that are all around dynamic types And big backs have a shelf life of 3 or so at most before they get slow and plodding "Big backs have a shelf life of 3 or 4 at most before they get slow and plodding" Henry is in his 4th season son so you blew up your own opinion. If you wouldn't want a guy like Henry on the Giants you're even more out of tune than I first thought with your over analyzed and under accurate comments. You love peeing in posters cereal but often miss the bowl.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 12, 2020 9:56:14 GMT -5
Those 2 are my top.2.choices Judge-what does a player do.well Byron Jones Outside corner,slot corner,FS..all at a high level I think if we whiff on Jones AND Conklin in FA, we have to stand pat at pick #4 and take either Thomas or Okudah there. But snagging one of them, gives us alot of draft flexibility. Land Conklin, draft Okudah. Or land Jones, draft Thomas. We need Conklin and Thomas. I would hate to move out of 4 no matter who we pick up in free agency. You don't skip on a potential generationally great LT. I am not overly high on byron Jones and we just invested a lot of draft capital in the secondary.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 9:58:10 GMT -5
I was at the Greenbay 07 championship game when he ran over Woodson you could hear it in the stands it sent the message. Loved Jacobs rivals like the cowboys feared him. He played with passion. Loved being a Giant. It exuded from him. When he came back he was running on one leg with a terrible knee gave them everything he had for that 1 game. Over 100 yards and that was the end that one last game in Giants blue and he ran it like he had for us so many times taking the opponents hart away. He is a true Giant. I will always be thankful for him being one of ours.
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Post by roundabout on Jan 12, 2020 10:02:23 GMT -5
I think if we whiff on Jones AND Conklin in FA, we have to stand pat at pick #4 and take either Thomas or Okudah there. But snagging one of them, gives us alot of draft flexibility. Land Conklin, draft Okudah. Or land Jones, draft Thomas. We need Conklin and Thomas. I would hate to move out of 4 no matter who we pick up in free agency. You don't skip on a potential generationally great LT. I am not overly high on byron Jones and we just invested a lot of draft capital in the secondary. We do need a veteran CB with all the youngsters back there whether it be Jones or some other vet
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 10:04:14 GMT -5
bj was great but you need a beast line with him . The success of a big back like henry or Jacobs is dependent off of them being able to get to full speed before contact . When they have to avoid contact in the backfield they become ineffective. Henry would not have anywhere near the success with our current offensive line . Yup. The reward is worth it if you can get 5 bullies to go with the monster back. Then again if Saquon isn't getting touched for 5 yards he's gonna have 6 or 7 150 or 200 yard games a year. Who ever says that Barkely doesn't run with power aren't watching he runs through people and stiff arms them to the ground get this kid a line and were in business.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 10:07:25 GMT -5
TEM...how do you like Cole Van Lanen, the left tackle from Wisconsin. He's probably the best run blocker coming out...looks to project more as a guard in the NFL He's the LT who had success in the 2nd game vs Chase Young thedraftnetwork.com/player/cole-van-lanen/iWXcKW6UU3I like this type of player he can help you at tackle be there for when Zietlers contract is up. Feel the same about Nick Gates.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 12, 2020 10:07:55 GMT -5
Henry has turned into a monster.
Pats and Ravens are 4th and 5th in rushing defense.
Hot knife through butter.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:12:16 GMT -5
Ehh I'll take what we have and another with his skill sets and pressure the defense with backs that are all around dynamic types And big backs have a shelf life of 3 or so at most before they get slow and plodding "Big backs have a shelf life of 3 or 4 at most before they get slow and plodding" Henry is in his 4th season son so you blew up your own opinion. If you wouldn't want a guy like Henry on the Giants you're even more out of tune than I first thought with your over analyzed and under accurate comments. You love peeing in posters cereal but often miss the bowl. I'm going to ignore your usual condensing jab at me this time because I'm I'm going to use this as a teaching situation He will be a past tense in 2 years,especially after he gets paid.. How long did Earl Campbell last(same kinda back) All I'm saying is I'll take the perfectly fine back we spent a 2nd round pick on 2 years ago that would be putting up jaw dropping numbers if we had even a slightly above average line,and instead of windowshopping at what we can't have out of lust for going back to the past,build around the players we have now on offense,especially fix the line... If we indeed get an OC and staff that builds an offense and plays around what players can do(oh..guess what,that's actually analytics for those stuck in 1975,)and fix the line Building around Barkley,Slayton,Jones,Kaden Smith,Shepherd,,and one more rid round dynamic WR(we can get a guy on day 3 )and we have a versatile offense that can be special. Trying to find another Henry will lead to a team taking Harris before our 2nd round pick anyway... But the absolute fact is these kinds of backs have a very short shelf life of top end production and you need everything else around that kind of back(including a top o line and a really good defense)to actually win a super bowl around this kind of offense,and that is very short window. I want long term sustainability and again being versatile does this (and that is the new England model,being able to play multiple styles of football and change up whenever needed)
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 12, 2020 10:17:53 GMT -5
BJ is one of our all-time top backs.
I would take a guy like that over a Lamar Jackson. How long do you give Jackson before he's knocked out? This kid is playing on borrowed time.
Lamar Jackson has one of the strongest arms in NFL; that young man is here to stay. I wouldn't hesitate to take Lamar Jackson over what we have at QB. Obviously I wouldn't take him over Brandon Jacobs after the history Brandon has had with NY Giants but another back with the same strengths and physical ability as Brandon Jacobs or Lamar Jackson, its a no brainer, I take Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is a special QB. No doubt he’s a special talent. He plays like Randall Cunningham played. It will be interesting to see if he gets better as he gains experience or not.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:18:30 GMT -5
TEM...how do you like Cole Van Lanen, the left tackle from Wisconsin. He's probably the best run blocker coming out...looks to project more as a guard in the NFL He's the LT who had success in the 2nd game vs Chase Young thedraftnetwork.com/player/cole-van-lanen/iWXcKW6UU3You don't have to preach this guy to me.... You have seen my mocks and offseason mocks Conklin and Jones Thomas(even with a trade back )or Wirfs...) Grab one of the Cs (Biadesz wont make it out of the 1st unfortunately)with our 2nd pick Van Lanen(like this guy because he is one letter away from Van Halen and some announcers will be mixing that up)is the epitome of a Gettleman mid round o line pick Pick a guy,find out what he does best..plug him in At the very least we have a high end backup.with him for a year or 2 and he eventually takes over for Zeitler.. Our next Deihl
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 10:23:50 GMT -5
"Big backs have a shelf life of 3 or 4 at most before they get slow and plodding" Henry is in his 4th season son so you blew up your own opinion. If you wouldn't want a guy like Henry on the Giants you're even more out of tune than I first thought with your over analyzed and under accurate comments. You love peeing in posters cereal but often miss the bowl. I'm going to ignore your usual condensing jab at me this time because I'm I'm going to use this as a teaching situation He will be a past tense in 2 years,especially after he gets paid.. How long did Earl Campbell last(same kinda back) All I'm saying is I'll take the perfectly fine back we spent a 2nd round pick on 2 years ago that would be putting up jaw dropping numbers if we had even a slightly above average line,and instead of windowshopping at what we can't have out of lust for going back to the past,build around the players we have now on offense,especially fix the line... If we indeed get an OC and staff that builds an offense and plays around what players can do(oh..guess what,that's actually analytics for those stuck in 1975,)and fix the line Building around Barkley,Slayton,Jones,Kaden Smith,Shepherd,,and one more rid round dynamic WR(we can get a guy on day 3 )and we have a versatile offense that can be special. Trying to find another Henry will lead to a team taking Harris before our 2nd round pick anyway... But the absolute fact is these kinds of backs have a very short shelf life of top end production and you need everything else around that kind of back(including a top o line and a really good defense)to actually win a super bowl around this kind of offense,and that is very short window. I want long term sustainability and again being versatile does this (and that is the new England model,being able to play multiple styles of football and change up whenever needed) We need not change anything except get better on the OL Barkely with that kind of line would be between 1500 and 2000 rushing every year never mind receiving.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:24:04 GMT -5
I think if we whiff on Jones AND Conklin in FA, we have to stand pat at pick #4 and take either Thomas or Okudah there. But snagging one of them, gives us alot of draft flexibility. Land Conklin, draft Okudah. Or land Jones, draft Thomas. We need Conklin and Thomas. I would hate to move out of 4 no matter who we pick up in free agency. You don't skip on a potential generationally great LT. I am not overly high on byron Jones and we just invested a lot of draft capital in the secondary. Moving back one spot to a desperate Miami team thinking someone is going to steal their qb even for 1 extra 2nd round pick isn't going to cost us Thomas(or.Wirfs,possibly just as good if just a wee bit raw at LT right now), In fact it gives us a chance to tap into an unusually deep C class.early on day 2 and still hit other needs on a BPA style
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:28:06 GMT -5
I'm going to ignore your usual condensing jab at me this time because I'm I'm going to use this as a teaching situation He will be a past tense in 2 years,especially after he gets paid.. How long did Earl Campbell last(same kinda back) All I'm saying is I'll take the perfectly fine back we spent a 2nd round pick on 2 years ago that would be putting up jaw dropping numbers if we had even a slightly above average line,and instead of windowshopping at what we can't have out of lust for going back to the past,build around the players we have now on offense,especially fix the line... If we indeed get an OC and staff that builds an offense and plays around what players can do(oh..guess what,that's actually analytics for those stuck in 1975,)and fix the line Building around Barkley,Slayton,Jones,Kaden Smith,Shepherd,,and one more rid round dynamic WR(we can get a guy on day 3 )and we have a versatile offense that can be special. Trying to find another Henry will lead to a team taking Harris before our 2nd round pick anyway... But the absolute fact is these kinds of backs have a very short shelf life of top end production and you need everything else around that kind of back(including a top o line and a really good defense)to actually win a super bowl around this kind of offense,and that is very short window. I want long term sustainability and again being versatile does this (and that is the new England model,being able to play multiple styles of football and change up whenever needed) We need not change anything except get better on the OL Barkely with that kind of line would be between 1500 and 2000 rushing every year never mind receiving. Exactly... He would and will shatter records if we actually fix the line.. There would be no way to.defend this team if our base is Slayton,Shepard,Kaden Smith(who I think is a 65 catch 900 yards a year TE with top.blocking skills)Engram and Barkley with even a top.10 o line...and if Barkley is utilized as an ultimate weapon type.of back
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 12, 2020 10:30:36 GMT -5
I think if we whiff on Jones AND Conklin in FA, we have to stand pat at pick #4 and take either Thomas or Okudah there. But snagging one of them, gives us alot of draft flexibility. Land Conklin, draft Okudah. Or land Jones, draft Thomas. We need Conklin and Thomas. I would hate to move out of 4 no matter who we pick up in free agency. You don't skip on a potential generationally great LT. I am not overly high on byron Jones and we just invested a lot of draft capital in the secondary. He fills a big need at CB and can play safety....we need help at both and we have a ton of cap space....versatility is valuable
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 12, 2020 10:33:09 GMT -5
Henry has turned into a monster. Pats and Ravens are 4th and 5th in rushing defense. Hot knife through butter. Exactly.....hes been punishing defenses for 18 weeks. This is what smashmouth running games do, wear defenses out come playoff time
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2020 10:33:20 GMT -5
He became a top to burger and started to run very soft midway through 2009 it seemed... He was only a feature back in 2007-2010.with Bradshaw eventually taking over Jacobs was never a good short yardage back. Ran too upright. He was a good RB in the second level though. Yet his number was called on the biggest short yardage play in team history in the last drive in SB 42.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 12, 2020 10:34:36 GMT -5
"Big backs have a shelf life of 3 or 4 at most before they get slow and plodding" Henry is in his 4th season son so you blew up your own opinion. If you wouldn't want a guy like Henry on the Giants you're even more out of tune than I first thought with your over analyzed and under accurate comments. You love peeing in posters cereal but often miss the bowl. I'm going to ignore your usual condensing jab at me this time because I'm I'm going to use this as a teaching situation He will be a past tense in 2 years,especially after he gets paid.. How long did Earl Campbell last(same kinda back) All I'm saying is I'll take the perfectly fine back we spent a 2nd round pick on 2 years ago that would be putting up jaw dropping numbers if we had even a slightly above average line,and instead of windowshopping at what we can't have out of lust for going back to the past,build around the players we have now on offense,especially fix the line... If we indeed get an OC and staff that builds an offense and plays around what players can do(oh..guess what,that's actually analytics for those stuck in 1975,)and fix the line Building around Barkley,Slayton,Jones,Kaden Smith,Shepherd,,and one more rid round dynamic WR(we can get a guy on day 3 )and we have a versatile offense that can be special. Trying to find another Henry will lead to a team taking Harris before our 2nd round pick anyway... But the absolute fact is these kinds of backs have a very short shelf life of top end production and you need everything else around that kind of back(including a top o line and a really good defense)to actually win a super bowl around this kind of offense,and that is very short window. I want long term sustainability and again being versatile does this (and that is the new England model,being able to play multiple styles of football and change up whenever needed) On the flipside how long have Gore and Peterson lasted.....theyre no punks
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 10:35:48 GMT -5
We need not change anything except get better on the OL Barkely with that kind of line would be between 1500 and 2000 rushing every year never mind receiving. Exactly... He would and will shatter records if we actually fix the line.. There would be no way to.defend this team if our base is Slayton,Shepard,Kaden Smith(who I think is a 65 catch 900 yards a year TE with top.blocking skills)Engram and Barkley with even a top.10 o line...and if Barkley is utilized as an ultimate weapon type.of back Thing that people don't get is the line is improved it is middle of the pack according to PFF I don't buy their stuff but a lot of people do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:37:18 GMT -5
TEM...how do you like Cole Van Lanen, the left tackle from Wisconsin. He's probably the best run blocker coming out...looks to project more as a guard in the NFL He's the LT who had success in the 2nd game vs Chase Young thedraftnetwork.com/player/cole-van-lanen/iWXcKW6UU3Is his pass protection good? He is a day 3 value...because he projects more as a guard. Before this year? Per PFF, Van Lanen “returns as the nation’s highest-graded tackle overall and his run-blocking grade of 90.0 is a full 9.0 points higher than the next-closest tackle. In pass protection, he allowed just six total pressures across 223 snaps.” As said, he did a good job against Chase Young....2nd game. Certainly not a day 1 pick.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:37:43 GMT -5
I'm going to ignore your usual condensing jab at me this time because I'm I'm going to use this as a teaching situation He will be a past tense in 2 years,especially after he gets paid.. How long did Earl Campbell last(same kinda back) All I'm saying is I'll take the perfectly fine back we spent a 2nd round pick on 2 years ago that would be putting up jaw dropping numbers if we had even a slightly above average line,and instead of windowshopping at what we can't have out of lust for going back to the past,build around the players we have now on offense,especially fix the line... If we indeed get an OC and staff that builds an offense and plays around what players can do(oh..guess what,that's actually analytics for those stuck in 1975,)and fix the line Building around Barkley,Slayton,Jones,Kaden Smith,Shepherd,,and one more rid round dynamic WR(we can get a guy on day 3 )and we have a versatile offense that can be special. Trying to find another Henry will lead to a team taking Harris before our 2nd round pick anyway... But the absolute fact is these kinds of backs have a very short shelf life of top end production and you need everything else around that kind of back(including a top o line and a really good defense)to actually win a super bowl around this kind of offense,and that is very short window. I want long term sustainability and again being versatile does this (and that is the new England model,being able to play multiple styles of football and change up whenever needed) On the flipside how long have Gore and Peterson lasted.....theyre no punks Peterson is just a freak of nature....he also doesn't run as violent as Henry Gore is more compact and not as susceptible to big hits,especially to his knees,where big backs often get injured because defenders have to go low to get them to the ground. The smaller backs always last longer because of this
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:39:59 GMT -5
We need Conklin and Thomas. I would hate to move out of 4 no matter who we pick up in free agency. You don't skip on a potential generationally great LT. I am not overly high on byron Jones and we just invested a lot of draft capital in the secondary. He fills a big need at CB and can play safety....we need help at both and we have a ton of cap space....versatility is valuable Jones FS Slot Outside Pay him and Conklin what they want Bring back Williams and Golden,extend Tomlinson.. Anything else in free agency is chocolate buttercream frosting
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 10:42:21 GMT -5
Is his pass protection good? He is a day 3 value...because he projects more as a guard. Before this year? Per PFF, Van Lanen “returns as the nation’s highest-graded tackle overall and his run-blocking grade of 90.0 is a full 9.0 points higher than the next-closest tackle. In pass protection, he allowed just six total pressures across 223 snaps.” As said, he did a good job against Chase Young....2nd game. Certainly not a day 1 pick. This is the kind of player the pundits are putting in 2nd to the 4th round range but when the guys that do it for an NFL team living break him down he will be movin on up.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 10:43:32 GMT -5
He fills a big need at CB and can play safety....we need help at both and we have a ton of cap space....versatility is valuable Jones FS Slot Outside Pay him and Conklin what they want Bring back Williams and Golden,extend Tomlinson.. Anything else in free agency is chocolate buttercream frosting FS or Slot or both ill be manned by Love he needs to get on the field.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:45:26 GMT -5
Jones FS Slot Outside Pay him and Conklin what they want Bring back Williams and Golden,extend Tomlinson.. Anything else in free agency is chocolate buttercream frosting FS or Slot or both ill be manned by Love he needs to get on the field. A secondary back 5 of Jones,Love,Baker,Peppers with one of our other young corners(Ballentine going outside where he belongs makes Jones a classic rover)
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Post by roundabout on Jan 12, 2020 10:47:48 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? Lamar Jackson is on a much higher level than RGIII ever was. QB are not going to have great games every time they play and if having to do that is the barometer for what makes a QB great then there are no great or special ones. Lamar Jackson is a beast and is going to be a dominant force in NFL for years to come. I agree Jackson play is on a higher level.Their similarities is running the ball. That is their strengths,when forced to throw the ball when behind seems to be Jackson's and other run first QBS like RG3 show a weakness in their ability to comeback when down by multiple scores
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