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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:54:47 GMT -5
Lamar Jackson is on a much higher level than RGIII ever was. QB are not going to have great games every time they play and if having to do that is the barometer for what makes a QB great then there are no great or special ones. Lamar Jackson is a beast and is going to be a dominant force in NFL for years to come. I agree Jackson play is on a higher level.Their similarities is running the ball. That is their strengths,when forced to throw the ball when behind seems to be Jackson's and other run first QBS like RG3 show a weakness in their ability to comeback when down by multiple scores He is as of now a.classic front runner His recievers didn't help him last night though either
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 10:57:45 GMT -5
Lamar Jackson has one of the strongest arms in NFL; that young man is here to stay. I wouldn't hesitate to take Lamar Jackson over what we have at QB. Obviously I wouldn't take him over Brandon Jacobs after the history Brandon has had with NY Giants but another back with the same strengths and physical ability as Brandon Jacobs or Lamar Jackson, its a no brainer, I take Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is a special QB. He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? Look at the history of his posts He has an anti Jones agenda ...he coded it very cleverly in this post
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 11:10:33 GMT -5
FS or Slot or both ill be manned by Love he needs to get on the field. A secondary back 5 of Jones,Love,Baker,Peppers with one of our other young corners(Ballentine going outside where he belongs makes Jones a classic rover) he really fits that role size speed athleticism think he and Love and Peppers are would be a god send 3 versatile guys who can do a lot could let them be real flexible on the back end.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 12, 2020 11:10:36 GMT -5
We need Conklin and Thomas. I would hate to move out of 4 no matter who we pick up in free agency. You don't skip on a potential generationally great LT. I am not overly high on byron Jones and we just invested a lot of draft capital in the secondary. Moving back one spot to a desperate Miami team thinking someone is going to steal their qb even for 1 extra 2nd round pick isn't going to cost us Thomas(or.Wirfs,possibly just as good if just a wee bit raw at LT right now), In fact it gives us a chance to tap into an unusually deep C class.early on day 2 and still hit other needs on a BPA style If we pull that with Miami the yes it would be a great draft day. My guess is that in thst situation Gettleman would let Miami up one spot for their first and third to get back the Williams pick. Would love another one of their first through.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 12, 2020 11:13:56 GMT -5
Lamar Jackson has one of the strongest arms in NFL; that young man is here to stay. I wouldn't hesitate to take Lamar Jackson over what we have at QB. Obviously I wouldn't take him over Brandon Jacobs after the history Brandon has had with NY Giants but another back with the same strengths and physical ability as Brandon Jacobs or Lamar Jackson, its a no brainer, I take Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is a special QB. He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 11:18:05 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? Look at the history of his posts He has an anti Jones agenda ...he coded it very cleverly in this post I have 0 time for either agenda based or hate driven Garbage. I read one a few weeks ago dogging Hill and Carter as 3rd round picks they are fine and producing Hill is a nose tackle by trade and Carter ended with 5 sacks and played inside and out and they are both still growing. this kind of garbage doesn't surprise me. Lets just move look that he played fine to throw the ball fine in the bad weather games he played in this year. These are mostly agenda based BS guys who want to $#!T on everything this GM does. 2 years in it's getting old fast.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 11:24:49 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. Jackson is young talented kid that game was on his coaches they needed to change it up. The Titans didn't care how many yards s he had they weren't gonna let him beat them and made sure he didn't, make the game changing plays he usually does by rushing the passer sacking him stopping all other run threats while keeping him out of the end zone and running the ball them selves with time consuming will taking running game. DG was smiling somewhere while watching that demonstration of brutality.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 11:26:32 GMT -5
Look at the history of his posts He has an anti Jones agenda ...he coded it very cleverly in this post I have 0 time for either agenda based or hate driven Garbage. I read one a few weeks ago dogging Hill and Carter as 3rd round picks they are fine and producing Hill is a nose tackle by trade and Carter ended with 5 sacks and played inside and out and they are both still growing. this kind of garbage doesn't surprise me. Lets just move look that he played fine to throw the ball fine in the bad weather games he played in this year. These are mostly agenda based BS guys who want to $#!T on everything this GM does. 2 years in it's getting old fast. Go lurk on the BBV site and watch the negatards there .... Make sure you have a lot of popcorn.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2020 11:31:25 GMT -5
Jacobs was never a good short yardage back. Ran too upright. He was a good RB in the second level though. Yet his number was called on the biggest short yardage play in team history in the last drive in SB 42. Indeed that was a memorable play, but Bradshaw got the bulk of he carries in short yardage at that time.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 11:32:38 GMT -5
Yet his number was called on the biggest short yardage play in team history in the last drive in SB 42. Indeed that was a memorable play, but Bradshaw got the bulk of he carries in short yardage at that time. Bradshaw was a much better short yardage back it seemed
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 12, 2020 11:35:03 GMT -5
You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. Jackson is young talented kid that game was on his coaches they needed to change it up. The Titans didn't care how many yards s he had they weren't gonna let him beat them and made sure he didn't, make the game changing plays he usually does by rushing the passer sacking him stopping all other run threats while keeping him out of the end zone and running the ball them selves with time consuming will taking running game. DG was smiling somewhere while watching that demonstration of brutality. He had game changing plays but it was to the other team, That's what did him in. The Titans didn't stop him he stopped himself he knows it. He is in his second year and the only reason that offense runs. He is doing very well. Once he starts to read the defense he will play faster. It also would have been nice if they had a healthy Ingram and more reliable options at reciever but that's not in his control.
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Post by roundabout on Jan 12, 2020 11:36:00 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. I watched the game also and his offensive stats are impressive,but the key stats are his 3 costly turnovers that his 500 plus yards he couldn't overcome
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 11:38:38 GMT -5
I have 0 time for either agenda based or hate driven Garbage. I read one a few weeks ago dogging Hill and Carter as 3rd round picks they are fine and producing Hill is a nose tackle by trade and Carter ended with 5 sacks and played inside and out and they are both still growing. this kind of garbage doesn't surprise me. Lets just move look that he played fine to throw the ball fine in the bad weather games he played in this year. These are mostly agenda based BS guys who want to $#!T on everything this GM does. 2 years in it's getting old fast. Go lurk on the BBV site and watch the negatards there .... Make sure you have a lot of popcorn. LOL I don't pay it any mind at all. I don't watch ass hats like cowterd or steven A if I want sports to giants I want objective fact driven analysis. My time matters I don't waste it on drivel lol. Giants insider is my go to they don't pull punches just because they are Giants fans straight shooters. All these negatards in the media and other wise I don't waste my time Idiots like cowterd not entertaining for me.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 12:02:33 GMT -5
You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. I watched the game also and his offensive stats are impressive,but the key stats are his 3 costly turnovers that his 500 plus yards he couldn't overcome And terrible play calling by Roman Their backs were averaging 7 yards a carry.Now I know many of Jackson's runs were RPO but even with Ingram dinged...Edwards was more than capable of 15 Carrie's and he was running like he was shot out of a cannon... Especially against a defense that was sitting hack in a deep middle zone to take away Andrew's and Hurst they abandon the run.. The Titans were kinda doing a very Patriots thing,take away one thing,allow.someone to get yards but not kill them.. They took away the TEs and allowed Jackson his yards... A smart OC then feeds the backs a steady diet And we bitch when we abandon the run...even the extreme run heavy teams do it...
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 12, 2020 12:04:27 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? Lamar Jackson is on a much higher level than RGIII ever was. QB are not going to have great games every time they play and if having to do that is the barometer for what makes a QB great then there are no great or special ones. Lamar Jackson is a beast and is going to be a dominant force in NFL for years to come. Lol at one of the strongest arms? And he's going to get hurt, just like rg3.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 12, 2020 12:09:20 GMT -5
You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. I watched the game also and his offensive stats are impressive,but the key stats are his 3 costly turnovers that his 500 plus yards he couldn't overcome I think your original statment was " He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? "
I showed they didn't stop him or figure him out he produced 500 yards of offense. If your defense scheme is to allow 500 yards of offense from one guy then you're lucky to win.
I do agree he couldn't overcome the turnovers.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 12:24:40 GMT -5
Lamar Jackson is on a much higher level than RGIII ever was. QB are not going to have great games every time they play and if having to do that is the barometer for what makes a QB great then there are no great or special ones. Lamar Jackson is a beast and is going to be a dominant force in NFL for years to come. Lol at one of the strongest arms? And he's going to get hurt, just like rg3. Again Read his posts He has a very strong anti Jones narrative
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Post by mj312 on Jan 12, 2020 12:28:34 GMT -5
bj was great but you need a beast line with him . The success of a big back like henry or Jacobs is dependent off of them being able to get to full speed before contact . When they have to avoid contact in the backfield they become ineffective. Henry would not have anywhere near the success with our current offensive line . Yup. The reward is worth it if you can get 5 bullies to go with the monster back. Then again if Saquon isn't getting touched for 5 yards he's gonna have 6 or 7 150 or 200 yard games a year. Who ever says that Barkely doesn't run with power aren't watching he runs through people and stiff arms them to the ground get this kid a line and were in business. Yeah saquon is kinda the best of both worlds . He's strong as an ox but also explosive and agile enough to make guys miss in the backfield .
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 12, 2020 12:31:27 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. The Titans did a great job on him last night. The further they fell behind the more he played 1 on 11. The injury to the RB hurt them. I haven’t seen enough of him to say fully but it appears he needs to improve his throwing at least in the postseason where the windows are tighter. The Titan secondary didn’t have too much trouble batting down passes. I couldn’t tell last night if the throws arrived late, had no zip or were just placed poorly. Either way it was clear the Titans were happy to let him run around as much as he wanted. Giving the ball back whether by turnover or on downs made for nice stats in a losing effort
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 12:34:39 GMT -5
Yup. The reward is worth it if you can get 5 bullies to go with the monster back. Then again if Saquon isn't getting touched for 5 yards he's gonna have 6 or 7 150 or 200 yard games a year. Who ever says that Barkely doesn't run with power aren't watching he runs through people and stiff arms them to the ground get this kid a line and were in business. Yeah saquon is kinda the best of both worlds . He's strong as an ox but also explosive and agile enough to make guys miss in the backfield . This is why we dont need a Derrick Henry Too many fans are caught up with wanting to.recreate a style of old.school Giants football from their past...especially after a 2 game run by a big back against 2 good but flawed teams Instead how about a new era of Giants football around our all around dynamic back that can do it all that people.could look back on 25 years from now and see a record shattering back that.played in a way nobody did prior and made this new era unique in it's own way. Finish the O line ame very good chance we have this...and unlike 1990 a possible top franchise qb they don't have to hide but instead help enhance a top all around versatile offense..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 12:40:31 GMT -5
You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. The Titans did a great job on him last night. The further they fell behind the more he played 1 on 11. The injury to the RB hurt them. I haven’t seen enough of him to say fully but it appears he needs to improve his throwing at least in the postseason where the windows are tighter. The Titan secondary didn’t have too much trouble batting down passes. I couldn’t tell last night if the throws arrived late, had no zip or were just placed poorly. Either way it was clear the Titans were happy to let him run around as much as he wanted. Giving the ball back whether by turnover or on downs made for nice stats in a losing effort Very patriot /Bellicheck like Allow but contain a hard to defend player to get his yards but never dominate Thurman Thomas in Super Bowl 25 Terrell Owens in that super bowl... Even Henry getting 186 yards last week(because despite that they only scored 14,and if the Patriots even had their usual below average hit good enough to win offense on a bad day,they win this game in a ho hum 27 13 way) Of course it can blow up(let Nick Foles beat us....let Manningham,The backs and TEs beat us).. It just seemed the titans took away the TEs down the seams... The biggest mistake was Roman abandoning the run..Edward's is still a good enough back to get 75 yards on 13 carries...add that to Jacksons 125 yards(I'll reduce his overall running stats for this)and the Ravens control the game
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 12:50:02 GMT -5
He wasn't too special last night.There was a similar player that defenses took a while to figure out....Does RG3 ring a bell? You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. Letting Lamar do that was a great game plan. The only way to contain him was not let the other 10 beat on the field win the battles. A highly intuitive way to stop them.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 12:54:04 GMT -5
You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. The Titans did a great job on him last night. The further they fell behind the more he played 1 on 11. The injury to the RB hurt them. I haven’t seen enough of him to say fully but it appears he needs to improve his throwing at least in the postseason where the windows are tighter. The Titan secondary didn’t have too much trouble batting down passes. I couldn’t tell last night if the throws arrived late, had no zip or were just placed poorly. Either way it was clear the Titans were happy to let him run around as much as he wanted. Giving the ball back whether by turnover or on downs made for nice stats in a losing effort All of the above he has the arm strength and plenty of zip just some times seems not to come out right.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 12, 2020 12:59:12 GMT -5
You do realize Lamar Jackson generated over 500 yards of offense last night for Ravens. He generated more offense than the Titans altogether last night. He had 365 yards passing and 143 running. Scary part is that he is starting to throw very well so he can still get better. Letting Lamar do that was a great game plan. The only way to contain him was not let the other 10 beat on the field win the battles. A highly intuitive way to stop them. So the game plan was to let Baltimore do what they usually do? So the DC went to Vrabel and said instead of letting Lamar run for 75 yards a game and throw for 195 yards a game I want him to run for 100 + yards and throw for 250+ yards and Vrabel agreed? The other guys are not hard to stop outside of Ingram. Look at the stats from the season , I think our skills guys outperformed them. What did them in was the turnover differential , drops and not having Ingram at 100%.
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Post by TEM on Jan 12, 2020 13:06:46 GMT -5
Letting Lamar do that was a great game plan. The only way to contain him was not let the other 10 beat on the field win the battles. A highly intuitive way to stop them. So the game plan was to let Baltimore do what they usually do? So the DC went to Vrabel and said instead of letting Lamar run for 75 yards a game and throw for 195 yards a game I want him to run for 100 + yards and throw for 250+ yards and Vrabel agreed? The other guys are not hard to stop outside of Ingram. Look at the stats from the season , I think our skills guys outperformed them. What did them in was the turnover differential , drops and not having Ingram at 100%. No as I said. They did not let the other10 on the field beat them. Including the O-line. The score reflected it. His 500+ yards of offense was nullified. if as you say they were a on or 2 man show. I can tell you it takes an entire team to advance in the playoffs. If you think so or not their Defensive game plan worked.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 12, 2020 13:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 12, 2020 13:14:49 GMT -5
Letting Lamar do that was a great game plan. The only way to contain him was not let the other 10 beat on the field win the battles. A highly intuitive way to stop them. So the game plan was to let Baltimore do what they usually do? So the DC went to Vrabel and said instead of letting Lamar run for 75 yards a game and throw for 195 yards a game I want him to run for 100 + yards and throw for 250+ yards and Vrabel agreed? The other guys are not hard to stop outside of Ingram. Look at the stats from the season , I think our skills guys outperformed them. What did them in was the turnover differential , drops and not having Ingram at 100%. Maybe it was to let Baltimore do what they do up to a point. They played 1 vs 11 last night and it worked out just fine. They forced Jackson to go to his WRs instead of his TEs and they shut down the conventional running game. Your theory seems to be based on the the teams being somewhat equally matched in talent. I don’t see that at all. The ravens are more talented, they just got out worked and out played last night.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 12, 2020 13:23:26 GMT -5
So the game plan was to let Baltimore do what they usually do? So the DC went to Vrabel and said instead of letting Lamar run for 75 yards a game and throw for 195 yards a game I want him to run for 100 + yards and throw for 250+ yards and Vrabel agreed? The other guys are not hard to stop outside of Ingram. Look at the stats from the season , I think our skills guys outperformed them. What did them in was the turnover differential , drops and not having Ingram at 100%. Maybe it was to let Baltimore do what they do up to a point. They played 1 vs 11 last night and it worked out just fine. They forced Jackson to go to his WRs instead of his TEs and they shut down the conventional running game. Your theory seems to be based on the the teams being somewhat equally matched in talent. I don’t see that at all. The ravens are more talented, they just got out worked and out played last night. Take away what the other team does best. Classic BB tactic.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 12, 2020 13:29:33 GMT -5
So the game plan was to let Baltimore do what they usually do? So the DC went to Vrabel and said instead of letting Lamar run for 75 yards a game and throw for 195 yards a game I want him to run for 100 + yards and throw for 250+ yards and Vrabel agreed? The other guys are not hard to stop outside of Ingram. Look at the stats from the season , I think our skills guys outperformed them. What did them in was the turnover differential , drops and not having Ingram at 100%. No as I said. They did not let the other10 on the field beat them. Including the O-line. The score reflected it. His 500+ yards of offense was nullified. if as you say they were a on or 2 man show. I can tell you it takes an entire team to advance in the playoffs. If you think so or not their Defensive game plan worked. I agree which is why they lost? That offense comes down to 2 people. With Ingram a non-factor there is an extra defender to go after or spy Lamar forcing the situation. Also Ingram s very good at blitz protection so that was a hidden loss. Baltimore won almost every category on the field, total yards, time of posession, total plays , first downs ....etc. It was the turnovers that did them in. Baltimore has some young weapons on offense. They need to go out and get some possession receivers that can hold onto the ball. They also need to find a young clone of Ingram if they are going forward with this offense.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 12, 2020 13:39:26 GMT -5
No as I said. They did not let the other10 on the field beat them. Including the O-line. The score reflected it. His 500+ yards of offense was nullified. if as you say they were a on or 2 man show. I can tell you it takes an entire team to advance in the playoffs. If you think so or not their Defensive game plan worked. I agree which is why they lost? That offense comes down to 2 people. With Ingram a non-factor there is an extra defender to go after or spy Lamar forcing the situation. Also Ingram s very good at blitz protection so that was a hidden loss. Baltimore won almost every category on the field, total yards, time of posession, total plays , first downs ....etc. It was the turnovers that did them in. Baltimore has some young weapons on offense. They need to go out and get some possession receivers that can hold onto the ball. They also need to find a young clone of Ingram if they are going forward with this offense. Agreed. I was shocked that they either didn’t have or chose not to use the backup RB. They seemed instead to go with the college approach of our top player is so good he can do it all himself which works in college because of the huge talent disparities but never works in the pros, as it shouldn’t. The day that crap works in the pros is the day Im done with the nfl.
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