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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 12, 2020 22:35:23 GMT -5
Was the Giants Dline good in 2016? I don;t remember off hand. probably better than recent years . We went 11-5 on the backs of our defense. and a jv schedule
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2020 22:36:33 GMT -5
The best is whomever we fans say is the best!
The best is whomever we didn't hire. If the Cowboys hired this guy people would freak out that we let him slip away.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 22:36:39 GMT -5
It is telling that Graham would leave Miami FL( and a rising HC also from NE) to come to the Giants and attach his future success to Judge--for a lateral move. Don't think he called the defense in Miami he was like Shula was here under Shurmur. Think Flores called the D so he gets the whole ball of wax now .
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 12, 2020 22:37:28 GMT -5
What a joke! Nepotism at it's finest! You probably meant cronyism. I don't think Graham and Judge are related. I could be wrong. How so? Maybe they share an ex wife? That's how George Harrison and Eric Clapton say they're related.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 12, 2020 22:40:39 GMT -5
The best is whomever we fans say is the best!
The best is whomever we didn't hire. If the Cowboys hired this guy people would freak out that we let him slip away.
Let's not forget whoever PFF likes. Their number crunching never lies.
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Post by giants38 on Jan 12, 2020 22:41:33 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. Spags had zero experience as a DC.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 12, 2020 22:42:11 GMT -5
Yeah..Shurmur and Betcher are scapegoats... Leonard is obviously a Mara and Gettleman hater. Talent level was absurdly lacking on OL...and all of the defense. Betcher did not forget to coach...nor did Matt Ruhle vs Georgia while having Pickens problems, and the other whiz kid Lincoln Riley... it's called being overwhelmed talent wise. But we all got the next Super Bowl hopes, and that's all that matters.....for now. It's a good fear point. In your view how much of last year's defensive performance was coaching vs. talent and if mostly talent deficient, do you think that Bettcher should have been retained? Or is it are a function of if you're turning the page, you just turn it completely?
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Post by giants38 on Jan 12, 2020 22:45:50 GMT -5
If you're sold on Judge (I dont know how yet), then you should be sold on this guy given Judges intro presser about getting the right guys to fill these roles. Personally, this guy is just as much a risk as Judge. Not much experience. And the Dolphins D last year was not that good. You’re absolutely right. For a better word my gut or a hunch with Judges background and what he said in the press conference he can be a good coach. But who the hell knows, they could both be bums and we start reminiscing the days of Shurmur in a year or two. But, I don’t like this hire. I value the hell out of our defense. It’s our backbone of our franchise. And we hired this guy? Who knows, he could be another great DC, or just another guy who will be looking for work at some point. My memory is a bit faulty here. What was the fans reaction when Spags was hired?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 22:47:31 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it..
It is questionable for sure.
Also, how is it the Giants were able to hire this guy away from Miami laterally?
My understanding Flores called the defense so the DC is more in the all of support I read that some where . Now I can't guarantee it is true but I did read it kind of like Shula under Shurmur.
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Post by giants38 on Jan 12, 2020 22:54:38 GMT -5
We upgraded our OL personnel from 2018 to 2019 with no improvement in play. Shurmur, Betcher and Hunter are terrible coaches Bettcher was a very good DC in Arizona though. So good he was expected to get HC interviews. Shurmur was never a good HC, but a good OC. Hunter was one of the worst signings this team has ever made. He was awful everywhere. This is always the question about coordinators isn't it? Bettcher inherited an installed defense. All he had to do was to keep it ticking. Was he a great DC or was he fortunate because of decisions made prior to his hire?
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Post by ocgiant on Jan 12, 2020 23:00:26 GMT -5
Well we are all along for this ride now and it now becomes a wait and see but so far as the coaching staff comes together it is what Judge wants and a whole lot of new for the Giants.
So far I am optimistic to go with the youth movement that seems to have old school in it's blood so let's see where it goes from here
OC is very pivotal hire at this point, which I am sure we will see before week's end
All in, go Giants!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2020 23:04:39 GMT -5
You’re absolutely right. For a better word my gut or a hunch with Judges background and what he said in the press conference he can be a good coach. But who the hell knows, they could both be bums and we start reminiscing the days of Shurmur in a year or two. But, I don’t like this hire. I value the hell out of our defense. It’s our backbone of our franchise. And we hired this guy? Who knows, he could be another great DC, or just another guy who will be looking for work at some point. My memory is a bit faulty here. What was the fans reaction when Spags was hired? When they hired Spags I was extremely happy didn't know anything about him except he learned from the great Jim Johnson and for me that was enough.
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Post by SemperFi on Jan 12, 2020 23:10:57 GMT -5
What a joke! Nepotism at it's finest! I see you're having one of your off days. I trust you will come out the other side with no permanent damage.
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Post by SemperFi on Jan 12, 2020 23:15:28 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. No...no it doesn't. Don't be such a drama queen. It just looks silly.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 12, 2020 23:28:27 GMT -5
Bettcher was a very good DC in Arizona though. So good he was expected to get HC interviews. Shurmur was never a good HC, but a good OC. Hunter was one of the worst signings this team has ever made. He was awful everywhere. This is always the question about coordinators isn't it? Bettcher inherited an installed defense. All he had to do was to keep it ticking. Was he a great DC or was he fortunate because of decisions made prior to his hire? Bettcher definitely helped in getting himself and Shurmur fired. He didn't inherit anything, but he did succeed in having a bottom 10 defense 2 years in a row. I cant think of a single game in 2 years where Bettcher's defense was actually good, or any adjustments either one of them made to win a game.
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Post by titowooten on Jan 12, 2020 23:45:30 GMT -5
He went to Yale, so he’s clearly extremely bright. He apparently wanted to be a CIA agent lol. I’m interested to see what he can do. He didn’t have much talent on that Miami defense so it’s hard to judge what he is capable of. I do like that we have some young coaches who seem like they are flexible and able to adapt. he played football at yale though, so he probably got a scholarship and didn't have to meet the same admission requirements as non-athletes. as someone who went to an ivy league school and knew football players, they're definitely a few degrees less brighter than the rest of the students.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 13, 2020 0:12:08 GMT -5
Is , Patrick related to Billy Graham ???
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Post by soflo on Jan 13, 2020 0:15:09 GMT -5
I guess Stephen A will be kind of happy Equality of outcome. For some, way more important than equality of opportunity.
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Post by soflo on Jan 13, 2020 0:17:36 GMT -5
It is telling that Graham would leave Miami FL( and a rising HC also from NE) to come to the Giants and attach his future success to Judge--for a lateral move. I keep hearing that it's telling, but nobody seems willing or able to explain why or what it's telling. I do know that Flores retained the power to call the defensive plays, so maybe graham made the lateral move to have more executive power.
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Post by soflo on Jan 13, 2020 0:20:06 GMT -5
If you're sold on Judge (I dont know how yet), then you should be sold on this guy given Judges intro presser about getting the right guys to fill these roles. Personally, this guy is just as much a risk as Judge. Not much experience. And the Dolphins D last year was not that good. You’re absolutely right. For a better word my gut or a hunch with Judges background and what he said in the press conference he can be a good coach. But who the hell knows, they could both be bums and we start reminiscing the days of Shurmur in a year or two. But, I don’t like this hire. I value the hell out of our defense. It’s our backbone of our franchise. And we hired this guy? Who knows, he could be another great DC, or just another guy who will be looking for work at some point. Their best corner was hurt most of the year and fitzpatrick demanded a trade because he didn't like being used in a versatile way. They got rid of their best players when they were playing terribly and actually got better after that with less talent. That would seem to indicate they purged the right players. Also, Flores called the plays so who knows if that impacted the dolphins defense for better or worse. Here, Graham will have the power to call the plays as dc here.
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Post by SemperFi on Jan 13, 2020 0:28:39 GMT -5
I don’t mean any offense, but can I ask how old you are? Almost 20 😆 OK you get a pass. There's lots of 'ball history for you to absorb if you want to. Just try not to make a point unless you have done your homework. Many of the posters here are extremely knowledgeable and are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as long as you're just not silly with your posts.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 13, 2020 1:09:02 GMT -5
He went to Yale, so he’s clearly extremely bright. He apparently wanted to be a CIA agent lol. I’m interested to see what he can do. He didn’t have much talent on that Miami defense so it’s hard to judge what he is capable of. I do like that we have some young coaches who seem like they are flexible and able to adapt. he played football at yale though, so he probably got a scholarship and didn't have to meet the same admission requirements as non-athletes. as someone who went to an ivy league school and knew football players, they're definitely a few degrees less brighter than the rest of the students. The Ivy league does not award athletic scholarships. A coach can push a kid to admissions, but they have to qualify. Then they have to do the work to graduate. I personally went to public school. But, I coached kids that went to Princeton and Columbia and saw the “recruiting” process. I also saw it with the kids that went to Notre Dame, Stanford, Michigan, Georgetown, and Clemson. Guess where the smaht kids went and where the “few degree less brighter” kids went.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2020 5:25:54 GMT -5
You’re absolutely right. For a better word my gut or a hunch with Judges background and what he said in the press conference he can be a good coach. But who the hell knows, they could both be bums and we start reminiscing the days of Shurmur in a year or two. But, I don’t like this hire. I value the hell out of our defense. It’s our backbone of our franchise. And we hired this guy? Who knows, he could be another great DC, or just another guy who will be looking for work at some point. Their best corner was hurt most of the year and fitzpatrick demanded a trade because he didn't like being used in a versatile way. They got rid of their best players when they were playing terribly and actually got better after that with less talent. That would seem to indicate they purged the right players. Also, Flores called the plays so who knows if that impacted the dolphins defense for better or worse. Here, Graham will have the power to call the plays as dc here. I thought I read that Graham called the plays....
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 13, 2020 7:06:31 GMT -5
He plays most of the time 85 Bears defense. I wonder who Graham likes on the Miami defense. Whether in a trade or FA. Bring back Jake Carlock, and give him the chance he never got under the old coaching staff.
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Post by TEM on Jan 13, 2020 7:22:01 GMT -5
I like the hire . He has been a part of some good defenses. Wait did i read thos right? They hired the guy that was DC for the mighty Dolphins who gave up just under 500 points about 50 more then Beltcher did on the giants. I know Judge worked with him in NE but im overly excited here You are going to judge him by a depleted Miami? Did you see what the Dolphins FO did this past offseason? Out of his entire body of work .This is what you came up with. You were joking with this post.
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Post by Waybackfan on Jan 13, 2020 7:35:38 GMT -5
Graham has been in the game for awhile and fulfills the diversity requirement for a minority coach. How complicated can coaching defense in the NFL be anyway?
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 13, 2020 7:57:56 GMT -5
Graham has been in the game for awhile and fulfills the diversity requirement for a minority coach. How complicated can coaching defense in the NFL be anyway?
I didn't think there was a rule on diversity for non head coaches? That would go a lot longer way towards equaling the playing field than the current Rooney Rule, setting up a lot more coaches to be in a position to become head coach candidates...I'm thinking he was hired mostly because of his experience, and a little due to he and Judge having coached together, so there is some direct knowledge of each other.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 13, 2020 8:56:33 GMT -5
I don't think Belichick ever worked with Parcells or the Giants in the past. I think you need to take a break from posting. lol. Im guessing he signed up to be a fan around 2004
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 13, 2020 8:58:33 GMT -5
Their best corner was hurt most of the year and fitzpatrick demanded a trade because he didn't like being used in a versatile way. They got rid of their best players when they were playing terribly and actually got better after that with less talent. That would seem to indicate they purged the right players. Also, Flores called the plays so who knows if that impacted the dolphins defense for better or worse. Here, Graham will have the power to call the plays as dc here. I thought I read that Graham called the plays.... LOL we have conflicting reads I read that flores called he plays.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 13, 2020 9:08:35 GMT -5
The Ivy league does not award athletic scholarships. A coach can push a kid to admissions, but they have to qualify. Then they have to do the work to graduate. Yes they do but I fully agree with you! ivyleague.com/sports/2017/7/28/information-psa-index.aspxThe Ivy League does not award scholarships. I know nothing about the man. But I sure am rooting for him.
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