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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 13, 2020 10:38:18 GMT -5
Intereting write up in the NYPost.
With Eli and DeOssie not returning to the Giants, Graham will have 0 players from 2016 on the current roster. That was when Graham was here as the DL coach.
Only 1 player, Tomlinson, was around during his tenure.
Bettcher had the Cards a top 10 defense 3 straight years before crumbling here. What happened?
In Grahams only year as DC in Miami, the Dolphins ranked 30th in total defense, 26th in passing and 27th in rushing.
Judge apparently had eyes on Aaron Glenn the Saints DB coach for DC as well. He was a former Jet and still could find his way on the Giants 2020 staff.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 13, 2020 10:39:21 GMT -5
He went to Yale, so he’s clearly extremely bright. He apparently wanted to be a CIA agent lol. I’m interested to see what he can do. He didn’t have much talent on that Miami defense so it’s hard to judge what he is capable of. I do like that we have some young coaches who seem like they are flexible and able to adapt. he played football at yale though, so he probably got a scholarship and didn't have to meet the same admission requirements as non-athletes. as someone who went to an ivy league school and knew football players, they're definitely a few degrees less brighter than the rest of the students. Less brighter?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 13, 2020 10:44:56 GMT -5
I don't know this man at all. Never heard his name before. but if he was a D coach for Belechik that looks pretty good on your resume' I would think. Lets hope he works out. Belichick coaches his defense. Yes that's true, but this man has been a position coach for BB for a number of years from what I understand. I believe D line. So I would think he has worked closely with BB and has his confidence to stay on his staff. I'm hoping that Grahams competence will transpire here. Hopefully Belechiks knowledge and know how has rubbed off on him.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 10:45:09 GMT -5
he played football at yale though, so he probably got a scholarship and didn't have to meet the same admission requirements as non-athletes. as someone who went to an ivy league school and knew football players, they're definitely a few degrees less brighter than the rest of the students. Less brighter? I think he meant "less brighterer"
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 13, 2020 10:48:12 GMT -5
Belichick coaches his defense. Yes that's true, but this man has been a position coach for BB for a number of years from what I understand. I believe D line. So I would think he has worked closely with BB and has his confidence to stay on his staff. I'm hoping that Grahams competence will transpire here. Hopefully Belechiks knowledge and know how has rubbed off on him. It could. Much like Judges. I'm just always worried when taking Belichick guys. You never know how much they actually do.
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Post by Waybackfan on Jan 13, 2020 12:42:21 GMT -5
They don't give scholarships but as in D-3 they will get you financial aid so you can attend.
They can also bend admittance requirements to let in students with unique attributes like athletes or to meet diversity quotas.
Just like the Hollywood kids who got into USC by lying about rowing or tennis. Those kids were idiots but they got accepted.
Not saying Graham is like that of course.
George Bush the younger got into Yale. Do you think it was because of his brains?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 12:50:53 GMT -5
I don't like this hire and was hoping for a more establish coach with successful experience would be brought in..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 12:54:44 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. That's two of us with major concern about this hiring..
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 13:02:29 GMT -5
They don't give scholarships but as in D-3 they will get you financial aid so you can attend.
They can also bend admittance requirements to let in students with unique attributes like athletes or to meet diversity quotas.
Just like the Hollywood kids who got into USC by lying about rowing or tennis. Those kids were idiots but they got accepted.
Not saying Graham is like that of course.
George Bush the younger got into Yale. Do you think it was because of his brains?
Are you suggesting Patrick Graham had the same kinds of connections that a rich New England family had, led by a US Senator?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2020 13:08:12 GMT -5
Intereting write up in the NYPost. With Eli and DeOssie not returning to the Giants, Graham will have 0 players from 2016 on the current roster. That was when Graham was here as the DL coach. Only 1 player, Tomlinson, was around during his tenure. Bettcher had the Cards a top 10 defense 3 straight years before crumbling here. What happened? In Grahams only year as DC in Miami, the Dolphins ranked 30th in total defense, 26th in passing and 27th in rushing. Judge apparently had eyes on Aaron Glenn the Saints DB coach for DC as well. He was a former Jet and still could find his way on the Giants 2020 staff. Well, it's pretty clear that Betcher's system worked only if he had really good players (like in AZ). Was completely unable to coach players up and/or to adjust his system to better suit the players that he had.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:12:36 GMT -5
IMHO, you are 100000% wrong. wow....I mean I know I have been wrong before but I have never been 100000% wrong. Maybe 10000% here and there Alright...a good nights sleep and now feeling you....lowering it to 1000%
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Post by GameTime on Jan 13, 2020 13:14:08 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. was hoping for experienced vet OC and DC... While Graham has years in the NFL and is known to Judge personally I am hoping their eval is on point.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 13:15:39 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. was hoping for experienced vet OC and DC... While Graham has years in the NFL and is known to Judge personally I am hoping their eval is on point. It's a new era for the New York Giants. I appears that retreads need not apply.
And I am all for it.
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 13, 2020 13:16:03 GMT -5
I have checked closely and as far as I can tell, nowhere in Graham's name is the name "Bettcher".
So as far I'm concerned we are ahead of the game out of the gate.
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 13, 2020 13:18:04 GMT -5
was hoping for experienced vet OC and DC... While Graham has years in the NFL and is known to Judge personally I am hoping their eval is on point. It's a new era for the New York Giants. I appears that retreads need not apply.
And I am all for it.
Same here.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 13, 2020 13:18:19 GMT -5
was hoping for experienced vet OC and DC... While Graham has years in the NFL and is known to Judge personally I am hoping their eval is on point. It's a new era for the New York Giants. I appears that retreads need not apply.
And I am all for it.
I am cool with it too. Judge is very confident in his ways so there is that as well. I also dont think every vet coach is a retread. Having experience surrounding a new rookie HC is not a bad thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:21:46 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. was hoping for experienced vet OC and DC... While Graham has years in the NFL and is known to Judge personally I am hoping their eval is on point. That's what I was hoping for also as coaches so it's no surprise they went a different direction.. LOL
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 13, 2020 13:25:22 GMT -5
Intereting write up in the NYPost. With Eli and DeOssie not returning to the Giants, Graham will have 0 players from 2016 on the current roster. That was when Graham was here as the DL coach. Only 1 player, Tomlinson, was around during his tenure. Bettcher had the Cards a top 10 defense 3 straight years before crumbling here. What happened? In Grahams only year as DC in Miami, the Dolphins ranked 30th in total defense, 26th in passing and 27th in rushing. Judge apparently had eyes on Aaron Glenn the Saints DB coach for DC as well. He was a former Jet and still could find his way on the Giants 2020 staff. Well, it's pretty clear that Betcher's system worked only if he had really good players (like in AZ). Was completely unable to coach players up and/or to adjust his system to better suit the players that he had.
Did they have really good players though? Honest question. He was there 2015-17.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 13:27:53 GMT -5
It's a new era for the New York Giants. I appears that retreads need not apply.
And I am all for it.
I am cool with it too. Judge is very confident in his ways so there is that as well. I also dont think every vet coach is a retread. Having experience surrounding a new rookie HC is not a bad thing By my definition....Our HC is a "vet coach". So is our new DC.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 13, 2020 13:29:58 GMT -5
I am cool with it too. Judge is very confident in his ways so there is that as well. I also dont think every vet coach is a retread. Having experience surrounding a new rookie HC is not a bad thing By my definition....Our HC is a "vet coach". So is our new DC. true...they are vet coaches I am a fan of Judge at this juncture so I am cool with his decisions
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Post by GameTime on Jan 13, 2020 13:31:12 GMT -5
Well, it's pretty clear that Betcher's system worked only if he had really good players (like in AZ). Was completely unable to coach players up and/or to adjust his system to better suit the players that he had.
Did they have really good players though? Honest question. He was there 2015-17. too many basic flaws on the offense and defense which showed Betcher and Shurmur weren't getting it done.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 13:32:37 GMT -5
By my definition....Our HC is a "vet coach". So is our new DC. true...they are vet coaches I am a fan of Judge at this juncture so I am cool with his decisions I'm just tired of the cries for guys like Wade Phillips and Norv Turner (not suggesting you are). These guys represent the old NFL. It's time to move forward.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 13, 2020 13:34:13 GMT -5
We need a Chicken Little emoji for when the sky is falling.
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Post by Waybackfan on Jan 13, 2020 13:43:51 GMT -5
They don't give scholarships but as in D-3 they will get you financial aid so you can attend.
They can also bend admittance requirements to let in students with unique attributes like athletes or to meet diversity quotas.
Just like the Hollywood kids who got into USC by lying about rowing or tennis. Those kids were idiots but they got accepted.
Not saying Graham is like that of course.
George Bush the younger got into Yale. Do you think it was because of his brains?
Are you suggesting Patrick Graham had the same kinds of connections that a rich New England family had, led by a US Senator? Wow, Morehead, you guessed exactly. Yes, Graham is George H.W. Bush's illegitimate child.
That's how he got into Yale.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2020 13:51:56 GMT -5
Well, it's pretty clear that Betcher's system worked only if he had really good players (like in AZ). Was completely unable to coach players up and/or to adjust his system to better suit the players that he had.
Did they have really good players though? Honest question. He was there 2015-17. Calais Campbell Alex Okafor Deone Buchanon Kevin Minter Patrick Peterson Tyron Mattieu Rashad Johnson Chandler Jones
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 13:52:41 GMT -5
Are you suggesting Patrick Graham had the same kinds of connections that a rich New England family had, led by a US Senator? Wow, Morehead, you guessed exactly. Yes, Graham is George H.W. Bush's illegitimate child.
That's how he got into Yale.
I do see the resemblance.......
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2020 14:08:11 GMT -5
Not a fan of this hire at all. An inexperienced head coach hires a coach who has one total years of coaching at defensive coordinator? This has disaster written all over it.. No...no it doesn't. Don't be such a drama queen. It just looks silly. You must of mistaken my post for someone else’s. Because only an idiot would take that comment as being a “drama queen.”
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2020 14:15:59 GMT -5
You’re absolutely right. For a better word my gut or a hunch with Judges background and what he said in the press conference he can be a good coach. But who the hell knows, they could both be bums and we start reminiscing the days of Shurmur in a year or two. But, I don’t like this hire. I value the hell out of our defense. It’s our backbone of our franchise. And we hired this guy? Who knows, he could be another great DC, or just another guy who will be looking for work at some point. You don’t like this hire? When was the first time you ever heard of him? Yesterday? Yeah I don’t like the hire, pretty sure I stated that and why. Why does it matter when I heard of him? I wanted an experienced coordinator. Not another inexperienced coach. Why do you like the hire?
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Post by InDabsWeTrust on Jan 13, 2020 15:14:41 GMT -5
Giants to Hire New QB Coach Mike Garafolo @mikegarafolo Try this again: More #Giants assistants coming together: QB coach is expected to be Jerry Schuplinski, sources said. Was assistant QB coach for the #Dolphins, who will let him reunite with Joe Judge. Schuplinski was with the #Patriots 2013-18.
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Post by nygfanstrick on Jan 13, 2020 15:21:48 GMT -5
DL coach added apparently. I know nothing about him
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