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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 13, 2020 8:15:43 GMT -5
1. Linebacker
You can’t win in today’s NFL without speed at the second level of your defense, no matter the scheme. The Giants need to revamp this position the most, and considering the most reliable inside linebackers were an off-the-street free agent whose key to staying in the league is special teams (David Mayo) and a fifth-round rookie who tore his ACL two games after being named a starter (Ryan Connelly), that should be obvious. The Giants’ best edge player (Markus Golden) is a free agent. Oshane Ximines showed flashes as a rookie, but he’s got a ways to go before he can be counted on as a front line player. Same goes for Lorenzo Carter, although the next position coach needs to find his best spot. Veteran Alec Ogletree is no longer a piece to build around, and the argument can be made that he wasn’t when the Giants traded for him two years ago. A strong case is building for Clemson’s Isaiah Simmons to be a much-needed chess piece in the middle of the field. 2. Offensive Line
Kevin Zeitler was a stabilizing force at right guard and a pro. The pieces around him are up for debate. A priority for the new position coach must be to get Will Hernandez to make the leap from promising rookie to steady veteran, the one he didn’t make completely in his second year. Nate Solder endured a difficult season on and off the field, and his contract will always loom over his head. A move to the right side could be in order, depending on what happens in the draft or what comes available on the market, but Solder could be a player who trends up, at least compared to what he showed in 2019. The combination at center of Jon Halapio (torn Achilles) and Spencer Pulley offers a spot in need of an upgrade. Before his injury, Halapio’s play was underwhelming. Mike Remmers did what he was expected to do at right tackle, but he’s not a long-term solution there. Nick Gates showed promise at guard and tackle, and it will be interesting to see how he performs under new guidance. Seventh-round pick George Asafo-Adjei is a complete unknown after missing the entire year with a concussion. Draft a long-term solution at left tackle and sign Jack Conklin – once the apple of the Giants’ eye in the draft – to lock down right tackle for the future. 3. Defensive back
Youth and inexperience. There's no doubt the Giants will look to bring in a strong voice to help this position mature. DeAndre Baker, Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine all got their opportunities. The potential is there, but there's uncertainty as well. Would not be a bad thing to get a proven vet corner to work into this group. Grant Haley began the year as the starting nickel, but lost time to Ballentine and was relegated to special teams. Julian Love showed enough to be in consideration to play safety next to Jabrill Peppers, who missed the final month of the season. Despite a lot of returnees, this is a blank slate and far from a finished product despite the draft resources used here. 4. Wide receiver
Darius Slayton was a breakout performer. His ascension gives this group a different look. Still remains to be seen if Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate coexisting is the best thing for the offense schematically. The Giants can get out of the Tate contract if they choose due to his suspension from the start of this past season. Remains to be seen if they will. Cody Core is a special teams standout. Cody Latimer has been a role player whose reps on offense have decreased. Rookies David Sills V and Reggie White Jr., among others, spent the year on practice squad before Sills' late call up, and both are signed to futures deals. There's certainly reason to believe the Giants can use some firepower here on the perimeter. 5. Tight end
The health of Evan Engram is a huge factor. The Giants will have to decide whether they are picking up his fifth-year option, which makes a lot of sense. Could Engram be a trade chip to improve another position? Maybe. Rhett Ellison missed a chunk of the season with a concussion and will likely be a salary cap casualty. Rookie Kaden Smith emerged down the stretch and could have a significant role next year. Pat Shurmur's offense used a lot of two-TE sets, so it will be interesting to see what the new offensive coordinator wants to do. 6. Defensive line
The Giants have poured a lot of assets into this position. Dalvin Tomlinson is the longest-tenured member, while Dexter Lawrence is a cornerstone. The fit for B.J. Hill will be interesting. And there's the situation with Leonard Williams, who is expected to re-sign as a free agent - although that is not a guarantee. The Giants want to be multiple with odd and even fronts, so they could look to make a splash in free agency with either Yannick Ngakoue or Jadaveon Clowney - provided either hits the market. 7. Running back
Saquon Barkley is the centerpiece here. A new system with new faces could help Wayne Gallman Jr. with a fresh start after he was seemingly banished down the stretch for Buck Allen. The Giants could use some versatility behind Barkley, but make no mistake, he remains the engine. 8. Quarterback
Daniel Jones is positioned to make the Giants look very good for drafting him No. 6 overall last April. His presence should mean the most to Judge's tenure here, even if we have not been told just yet by the new coach of his feelings about Jones and his potential. Eli Manning is not expected to return as a backup, even though John Mara indicated he would not be against it. Alex Tanney was viewed as a possible No. 2 behind Jones when Pat Shurmur was here, but the security of his spot is unknown. www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2020/01/13/ny-giants-ranking-positions-need-strength-as-joe-judge-begins-evaluations/4434446002/
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Post by GameTime on Jan 13, 2020 8:31:59 GMT -5
the good of that situation is that they need so much no matter where they pick they should be able to fill a roster spot with a quality player.
I like giving Golden a contract. AO gone. Carter.....needs to take a big step forward. if not then he is just an OK starter or depth.
The DBs need leadership and there will be injuries sprinkled in with three or four of these guys. That position will still be a big issue next season.
On the OL of course tackles are a big question but just as big if not bigger is the center. Pulley and Halapio are not starting caliber overall. They need a top notch quality center. Overall the OL is still a big work in progress. Maybe Judge can breath new life of enthusiasm to that group. Drafting and FA will be key.
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Post by TEM on Jan 13, 2020 8:38:47 GMT -5
An OT is the #1 concern. The Center is 2nd.
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 13, 2020 8:51:15 GMT -5
A transition to odd man fronts sounds appealing, but now they might not have the exact personnel for that (which was pretty much set for the 3-4). None of these guys actually get to the QB much.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 9:16:40 GMT -5
A transition to odd man fronts sounds appealing, but now they might not have the exact personnel for that (which was pretty much set for the 3-4). None of these guys actually get to the QB much. They actually have an old man front (bringing back Williams with Tomlinson and Lawrence Its the 2and level they can fix |
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 13, 2020 9:18:55 GMT -5
A transition to odd man fronts sounds appealing, but now they might not have the exact personnel for that (which was pretty much set for the 3-4). None of these guys actually get to the QB much. They actually have an old man front (bringing back Williams with Tomlinson and Lawrence Its the 2and level they can fix So much for the youth movement, then... |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 9:20:53 GMT -5
O line can become dominant just a few simple moves
Pay Conklin
Take Thomas (even in a trade back one spot he should be there)
Very deep C class
Secondary just needs a vet back there ...
Byron Jones can play corner,slot and FS..
Extremely deep draft for WRs...
Get another dynamic speed guy mid rounds for more firepower..
Good linebackers available rounds 2-4
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 9:22:16 GMT -5
They actually have an old man front (bringing back Williams with Tomlinson and Lawrence Its the 2and level they can fix So much for the youth movement, then... Resign Williams,extend Tomlinson a year early,Lawrence on a rookie deal What's not to like about a possible domina t front 3 for the next 4 to 5 years at least |
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 13, 2020 9:28:07 GMT -5
So much for the youth movement, then... Resign Williams,extend Tomlinson a year early,Lawrence on a rookie deal What's not to like about a possible domina t front 3 for the next 4 to 5 years at least But when they go to 4 man front, wouldn't they need a guy or two on the outsides with more moves than push? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 9:48:43 GMT -5
Resign Williams,extend Tomlinson a year early,Lawrence on a rookie deal What's not to like about a possible domina t front 3 for the next 4 to 5 years at least But when they go to 4 man front, wouldn't they need a guy or two on the outsides with more moves than push? I think you are taking his "goes between 3 and 4 man fronts " too literal I think it means he has experience with both(here in 2016 and 2p17 with a 4 man)and can operate with both A 3 man front can become a 4/3 over with a shift and the off the ball Sam becoming the LEO backer (Kiwanuka in 2007 and Clowney in Seattle)someone like Carter coumd shift there.. |
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 13, 2020 9:50:05 GMT -5
O line can become dominant just a few simple moves Pay Conklin Take Thomas (even in a trade back one spot he should be there) Very deep C class Secondary just needs a vet back there ... Byron Jones can play corner,slot and FS.. Extremely deep draft for WRs... Get another dynamic speed guy mid rounds for more firepower.. Good linebackers available rounds 2-4 I second the motion that there are so many needs that it leaves a ton of options open. It’s also a pretty good year, draft wise, to kick the can down the road at LB. steering into the strength of the draft at T and WR seems like the wisest choice. C and a LB like Carter, OX, Connelly can be found after that. Maybe with a new, young coach, improved play in front of them on DL and behind them in the secondary...and some special sauce the young mid rounders can develop into a passable unit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 9:58:12 GMT -5
O line can become dominant just a few simple moves
Pay Conklin Take Thomas (even in a trade back one spot he should be there) Very deep C class Secondary just needs a vet back there ... Byron Jones can play corner,slot and FS..Extremely deep draft for WRs... Get another dynamic speed guy mid rounds for more firepower.. Good linebackers available rounds 2-4 I would love to have these two players but the real world probably won't happen like that so then what?? You also keep adding Williams and Golden to the list of FA signings and even those players have a better chance being somewhere else also.. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 13, 2020 10:14:35 GMT -5
But when they go to 4 man front, wouldn't they need a guy or two on the outsides with more moves than push? I think you are taking his "goes between 3 and 4 man fronts " too literal I think it means he has experience with both(here in 2016 and 2p17 with a 4 man)and can operate with both A 3 man front can become a 4/3 over with a shift and the off the ball Sam becoming the LEO backer (Kiwanuka in 2007 and Clowney in Seattle)someone like Carter coumd shift there.. Gotcha - although Judge spoke about going different fronts depending on opponent, even before the Graham (the "he" you refer to?) hire. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 10:18:01 GMT -5
O line can become dominant just a few simple moves Pay Conklin Take Thomas (even in a trade back one spot he should be there) Very deep C class Secondary just needs a vet back there ... Byron Jones can play corner,slot and FS.. Extremely deep draft for WRs... Get another dynamic speed guy mid rounds for more firepower.. Good linebackers available rounds 2-4 I second the motion that there are so many needs that it leaves a ton of options open. It’s also a pretty good year, draft wise, to kick the can down the road at LB. steering into the strength of the draft at T and WR seems like the wisest choice. C and a LB like Carter, OX, Connelly can be found after that. Maybe with a new, young coach, improved play in front of them on DL and behind them in the secondary...and some special sauce the young mid rounders can develop into a passable unit. You do realize you just sent a decent % of our users on here into seizures with the bolded,lol And on BBV this would get you immediately banned over there ... As inconvenient as it would be to a large % of the fan base's narrative,this is the draft to pretty much finish off building around Jones and complete the offense and add pieces in FA to the defense to stabilize.The smart teams always build like this and not try to force picks for needs and reach FWIW it's also a very deep corner and safety draft again,while I'd rather add vets to an extremely young group,some mid to late round picks back there to force competition would be a decent idea as well |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 13, 2020 10:21:04 GMT -5
FWIW it's also a very deep corner and safety draft again,while I'd rather add vets to an extremely young group,some mid to late round picks back there to force competition would be a decent idea as well Do you think Baker, Ballentine, Beal, and Love will settle in? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 10:21:52 GMT -5
I think you are taking his "goes between 3 and 4 man fronts " too literal I think it means he has experience with both(here in 2016 and 2p17 with a 4 man)and can operate with both A 3 man front can become a 4/3 over with a shift and the off the ball Sam becoming the LEO backer (Kiwanuka in 2007 and Clowney in Seattle)someone like Carter coumd shift there.. Gotcha - although Judge spoke about going different fronts depending on opponent, even before the Graham (the "he" you refer to?) hire. A team like the Titans you could put Hill on the line and have an extra beefy big line for example... Belicheck always experimented getting the best players on the field depending on opponent (which is why there would be times midway through the 2and quarter you see the opposing HC and OC witb question Mark's over their heads because they were hit with something so out of the box they have no answer for it |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 10:22:47 GMT -5
FWIW it's also a very deep corner and safety draft again,while I'd rather add vets to an extremely young group,some mid to late round picks back there to force competition would be a decent idea as well Do you think Baker, Ballentine, Beal, and Love will settle in? Have to give them the chance...with a FA vet it would make it easier of course.. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 13, 2020 10:25:35 GMT -5
Do you think Baker, Ballentine, Beal, and Love will settle in? Have to give them the chance...with a FA vet it would make it easier of course.. Baker and Love for sure. Ballentine and Beal need to show they can stay healthy. |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 13, 2020 10:28:18 GMT -5
Have to give them the chance...with a FA vet it would make it easier of course.. Baker and Love for sure. Ballentine and Beal need to show they can stay healthy. I've already given up on Beal. The guy's like a myth. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 13, 2020 11:57:53 GMT -5
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jan 13, 2020 12:30:37 GMT -5
For me, the order of importance is as follows:
ILBx2
C
Edge Rusher
T
CB
WR
S
TE
RB
QB
Position value and who is available as FAs will end up determining what order these get picked up but I think they all need addressing.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 13, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -5
For me, the order of importance is as follows: ILBx2 C Edge Rusher T CB WR S TE RB QB Position value and who is available as FAs will end up determining what order these get picked up but I think they all need addressing. The way Rosas played last year, it is imperative that we have competition going into training camp. I'd put Kicker above TE, below Safety on your list. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 12:44:08 GMT -5
Baker and Love for sure. Ballentine and Beal need to show they can stay healthy. I've already given up on Beal. The guy's like a myth. Me too there are just some players who aren't built for the NFL and get hurt too much.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 12:46:44 GMT -5
I second the motion that there are so many needs that it leaves a ton of options open. It’s also a pretty good year, draft wise, to kick the can down the road at LB. steering into the strength of the draft at T and WR seems like the wisest choice. C and a LB like Carter, OX, Connelly can be found after that. Maybe with a new, young coach, improved play in front of them on DL and behind them in the secondary...and some special sauce the young mid rounders can develop into a passable unit. You do realize you just sent a decent % of our users on here into seizures with the bolded,lol And on BBV this would get you immediately banned over there ... As inconvenient as it would be to a large % of the fan base's narrative,this is the draft to pretty much finish off building around Jones and complete the offense and add pieces in FA to the defense to stabilize.The smart teams always build like this and not try to force picks for needs and reach FWIW it's also a very deep corner and safety draft again,while I'd rather add vets to an extremely young group,some mid to late round picks back there to force competition would be a decent idea as wellI would rather have them draft some late round olinemen before they go with secondary again.. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 13, 2020 12:50:34 GMT -5
It's obvious they paid too much - that's what you have to do to sign a FA LT. He will be on the team next year because I highly doubt there is anyone to replace him. I also think at times he was less effective because the middle of the OL was also not great, which didnt allow the QB to step up.
He will get another year.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 13, 2020 12:52:09 GMT -5
OL (C/OT)
Pass Rush (DE/LB)
DB (LB/Corner/Safety)
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2020 13:00:04 GMT -5
1. Linebacker
You can’t win in today’s NFL without speed at the second level of your defense, no matter the scheme. The Giants need to revamp this position the most, and considering the most reliable inside linebackers were an off-the-street free agent whose key to staying in the league is special teams (David Mayo) and a fifth-round rookie who tore his ACL two games after being named a starter (Ryan Connelly), that should be obvious. The Giants’ best edge player (Markus Golden) is a free agent. Oshane Ximines showed flashes as a rookie, but he’s got a ways to go before he can be counted on as a front line player. Same goes for Lorenzo Carter, although the next position coach needs to find his best spot. Veteran Alec Ogletree is no longer a piece to build around, and the argument can be made that he wasn’t when the Giants traded for him two years ago. A strong case is building for Clemson’s Isaiah Simmons to be a much-needed chess piece in the middle of the field. 2. Offensive Line
Kevin Zeitler was a stabilizing force at right guard and a pro. The pieces around him are up for debate. A priority for the new position coach must be to get Will Hernandez to make the leap from promising rookie to steady veteran, the one he didn’t make completely in his second year. Nate Solder endured a difficult season on and off the field, and his contract will always loom over his head. A move to the right side could be in order, depending on what happens in the draft or what comes available on the market, but Solder could be a player who trends up, at least compared to what he showed in 2019. The combination at center of Jon Halapio (torn Achilles) and Spencer Pulley offers a spot in need of an upgrade. Before his injury, Halapio’s play was underwhelming. Mike Remmers did what he was expected to do at right tackle, but he’s not a long-term solution there. Nick Gates showed promise at guard and tackle, and it will be interesting to see how he performs under new guidance. Seventh-round pick George Asafo-Adjei is a complete unknown after missing the entire year with a concussion. Draft a long-term solution at left tackle and sign Jack Conklin – once the apple of the Giants’ eye in the draft – to lock down right tackle for the future. 3. Defensive back
Youth and inexperience. There's no doubt the Giants will look to bring in a strong voice to help this position mature. DeAndre Baker, Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine all got their opportunities. The potential is there, but there's uncertainty as well. Would not be a bad thing to get a proven vet corner to work into this group. Grant Haley began the year as the starting nickel, but lost time to Ballentine and was relegated to special teams. Julian Love showed enough to be in consideration to play safety next to Jabrill Peppers, who missed the final month of the season. Despite a lot of returnees, this is a blank slate and far from a finished product despite the draft resources used here. 4. Wide receiver
Darius Slayton was a breakout performer. His ascension gives this group a different look. Still remains to be seen if Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate coexisting is the best thing for the offense schematically. The Giants can get out of the Tate contract if they choose due to his suspension from the start of this past season. Remains to be seen if they will. Cody Core is a special teams standout. Cody Latimer has been a role player whose reps on offense have decreased. Rookies David Sills V and Reggie White Jr., among others, spent the year on practice squad before Sills' late call up, and both are signed to futures deals. There's certainly reason to believe the Giants can use some firepower here on the perimeter. 5. Tight end
The health of Evan Engram is a huge factor. The Giants will have to decide whether they are picking up his fifth-year option, which makes a lot of sense. Could Engram be a trade chip to improve another position? Maybe. Rhett Ellison missed a chunk of the season with a concussion and will likely be a salary cap casualty. Rookie Kaden Smith emerged down the stretch and could have a significant role next year. Pat Shurmur's offense used a lot of two-TE sets, so it will be interesting to see what the new offensive coordinator wants to do. 6. Defensive line
The Giants have poured a lot of assets into this position. Dalvin Tomlinson is the longest-tenured member, while Dexter Lawrence is a cornerstone. The fit for B.J. Hill will be interesting. And there's the situation with Leonard Williams, who is expected to re-sign as a free agent - although that is not a guarantee. The Giants want to be multiple with odd and even fronts, so they could look to make a splash in free agency with either Yannick Ngakoue or Jadaveon Clowney - provided either hits the market. 7. Running back
Saquon Barkley is the centerpiece here. A new system with new faces could help Wayne Gallman Jr. with a fresh start after he was seemingly banished down the stretch for Buck Allen. The Giants could use some versatility behind Barkley, but make no mistake, he remains the engine. 8. Quarterback
Daniel Jones is positioned to make the Giants look very good for drafting him No. 6 overall last April. His presence should mean the most to Judge's tenure here, even if we have not been told just yet by the new coach of his feelings about Jones and his potential. Eli Manning is not expected to return as a backup, even though John Mara indicated he would not be against it. Alex Tanney was viewed as a possible No. 2 behind Jones when Pat Shurmur was here, but the security of his spot is unknown. www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2020/01/13/ny-giants-ranking-positions-need-strength-as-joe-judge-begins-evaluations/4434446002/ You need to seperate EDGE/ off-ball LB. They're two different things completely. Edge (6-9 techs): - Golden - Carter - Yannick Ngakoue - Jadaveon Clowney Interior DL (1-5 techs): - Williams - Lawerence - Tomlinson - BJ Hill Off-ball LB's: - Connelly - Ogletree - Buchanon Each of the positions have different skill sets that you need and are valued differently across the league. The whole "Giants need LBs" is far too vague a statement. Personally, I think acquiring two EDGE players (not named Golden who IMO, was opportunistic and didn't get constant pressure) is the biggest need for the Giants this year. Its the second most valuable position in football IMO Off-ball LBs are nice but not essential. We've won 2 SB's with minimal talent at this position, because of this, I deem it more a luxury compared to EDGE, interior DL, DB's which in my book are far more valuable to winning games. I mean Ogletree is what everyone knew he was before DG acquired him; a bad football player with a big contract. We need an upgrade at this position but I believe we dont need to invest a first rounder. |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 13, 2020 13:22:51 GMT -5
You need to seperate EDGE/ off-ball LB. They're two different things completely. The whole "Giants need LBs" is far too vague a statement. I just posted the article. I didn't write it. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2020 13:24:46 GMT -5
You need to seperate EDGE/ off-ball LB. They're two different things completely. The whole "Giants need LBs" is far too vague a statement. I just posted the article. I didn't write it. Ah - my bad. Thats the problem with some of these writers. They dont understand how positions really work. Particularly on defence. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 13:56:53 GMT -5
You do realize you just sent a decent % of our users on here into seizures with the bolded,lol And on BBV this would get you immediately banned over there ... As inconvenient as it would be to a large % of the fan base's narrative,this is the draft to pretty much finish off building around Jones and complete the offense and add pieces in FA to the defense to stabilize.The smart teams always build like this and not try to force picks for needs and reach FWIW it's also a very deep corner and safety draft again,while I'd rather add vets to an extremely young group,some mid to late round picks back there to force competition would be a decent idea as wellI would rather have them draft some late round olinemen before they go with secondary again.. I agree... Bringing in a vet is the way to bolster the secondary More youth making youth mistakes is a bad way to go |
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