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Post by nyg2 on Jan 13, 2020 16:09:22 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know who Yannick Ngakoue is, he plays DE for the Jaguars and is currently slated to be a Free Agent.
2019 Stats: 8.0 Sacks 41 Tackles 1 Interception 13 TFL
He won't be 25 years old until the end of march, which is super-young for someone entering free agency and would be a great addition to this team considering that we sort of have this youth movement going on here. An apparently he's been posting pictures on Instagram for the past couple of days of LT, so this could be a subliminal way of saying he's interested in joining the Giants.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 16:17:39 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0?
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2020 16:18:19 GMT -5
Of course he does. The Giants will have over $60 million in cap space. Now saying that he will give us instant credibility as a pass rusher. And is only 25 years old.. The many questions is will Jacksonville franchise him? And if not how much will it cost to sign him?
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 13, 2020 16:39:26 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? Well he does have similar production, play style, and is the same age when we signed Olivier Vernon.... LOL He's someone like Vernon who will get you 8-12 sacks and 50-65 tackles a season. Pass rushers who are of the same ilk as the Aaron Donald's and JJ Watts hardly ever hit free agency. If our new DC Patrick Graham thinks he can develop him or would like to have multiple pass rushers were he can continuously switch players in and out of games like the Eagles then we should at least attempt to sign him.
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Post by JPthePizz on Jan 13, 2020 16:46:29 GMT -5
is 8.0 sacks impressive nowadays? hard pass
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2020 16:53:43 GMT -5
is 8.0 sacks impressive nowadays? hard pass He averages over 9 sacks a season in 4 years. I guess you don’t like good players.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 13, 2020 16:54:37 GMT -5
It’s intriguing to think about Dex and Williams’ production with a bonafide edge guy taking a double team on obvious passing plays.
But, I don’t think he sees the market and if he does 18+ million seems like an awfully high number for mid tier production. Also goes against the no paying LTs, WR, QBs, or EDGE in FA rule of thumb.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2020 17:01:12 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? I sort of agree.
And he is going to get way overpaid ... like all big name FA's ....
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 13, 2020 17:12:45 GMT -5
I would do whatever I could to sign Ngakoue, Barrett and Conklin and re-sign Golden.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 13, 2020 17:33:41 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? He's actually a really good player. if it was a choice between him and Williams.....I would go for Ngakoue easily.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 17:36:44 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? He's actually a really good player. if it was a choice between him and Williams.....I would go for Ngakoue easily.
So basically you are throwing away our 2020 3rds round pick because signing this guy and letting Williams walk is a lateral move that cancels out a potential 2021 comp pick.. Not a fan
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Post by JPthePizz on Jan 13, 2020 17:42:16 GMT -5
is 8.0 sacks impressive nowadays? hard pass He averages over 9 sacks a season in 4 years. I guess you don’t like good players. if we're spending market reset money (once again...) then I want a guy that breaks the game.
That kind of guy doesn't exist on the free agent market, so....if you wanna spend all our money on an ok player, fine, go for it.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2020 17:43:04 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know who Yannick Ngakoue is, he plays DE for the Jaguars and is currently slated to be a Free Agent. 2019 Stats: 8.0 Sacks 41 Tackles 1 Interception 13 TFL He won't be 25 years old until the end of march, which is super-young for someone entering free agency and would be a great addition to this team considering that we sort of have this youth movement going on here. An apparently he's been posting pictures on Instagram for the past couple of days of LT, so this could be a subliminal way of saying he's interested in joining the Giants. I would love this signing. Pay him, not Golden (or Williams for that matter)
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2020 17:44:36 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? He's actually a really good player. if it was a choice between him and Williams.....I would go for Ngakoue easily.
Given the structure of our current roster.. its not even a discussion IMO
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2020 17:46:34 GMT -5
He's actually a really good player. if it was a choice between him and Williams.....I would go for Ngakoue easily.
So basically you are throwing away our 2020 3rds round pick because signing this guy and letting Williams walk is a lateral move that cancels out a potential 2021 comp pick.. Not a fan Thats a bad decision from the GM, Gettlemen is somehow applauded for recognizing his bad moves then moving forward, he needs to do this here. Its not really a lateral move as Yannick rushes the passer and plays edge. Williams cannot. We have depth at interior DL and its the most talent rich position in the league We wont get a comp pick regardless if we sign a bunch of FA's.
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 13, 2020 17:58:00 GMT -5
So basically you are throwing away our 2020 3rds round pick because signing this guy and letting Williams walk is a lateral move that cancels out a potential 2021 comp pick.. Not a fan Thats a bad decision from the GM, Gettlemen is somehow applauded for recognizing his bad moves then moving forward, he needs to do this here. Its not really a lateral move as Yannick rushes the passer and plays edge. Williams cannot. We have depth at interior DL and its the most talent rich position in the league We wont get a comp pick regardless if we sign a bunch of FA's. These are all good points, given the recent statements about the desire to play various defensive fronts. Perhaps a big chunk of cap money is going to go into this unit, since it's looking like the next draft may be going offensive personnel heavy.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 13, 2020 17:58:51 GMT -5
It’s intriguing to think about Dex and Williams’ production with a bonafide edge guy taking a double team on obvious passing plays. But, I don’t think he sees the market and if he does 18+ million seems like an awfully high number for mid tier production. Also goes against the no paying LTs, WR, QBs, or EDGE in FA rule of thumb. Unfortunately we have to pay someone to rush the passer .. our current players are just not good enough to do it consistently. I'd rather over pay for a legit top tier guy that's gonna come in and help this defense than pay a few million less for another player whos just gonna stand there . This is the part where free agency sucks . Your going to overpay regardless so pay the best player available and get it done . Once those players are gone your stuck with overinflated average talent that your going to pay big money for regardless . Ie.. SOLDER
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 13, 2020 18:00:57 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? Bingo ! Once again the same scenario. He'd be fine as a #2 pass rusher but not the guy. When Vernon came we all thought we still had JPP as our #1. So it was a strong move to bolster the pass rush.
Now what are we doing with Williams and Golden ? I would think we keep 2 out of the 3 if you include Yannick. Don't think we have enough money for all 3. And Golden is actually a fine #2 pass rusher as well. Two #2 pass rushers ? Is that good enough to work ? Hell it's got to be an improvement, But...…
Well he might be the only FA that wants to come to a 4-12 team. We've averaged that record the last 3 years. Lets see what happens.
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Post by TEM on Jan 13, 2020 18:10:20 GMT -5
We need depth not over paid FAs . Just continuing to make use of bottom of the barrel league minimum fodder does not work. Having low skill players as "Next man up" is a recipe for less than average results. We need to spend money on building out the roster. Not 5 players that can come in get hurt and their replacement is below marginal.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 13, 2020 18:13:46 GMT -5
He has clearly not read these boards, otherwise he would know that the Giants are not an attractive destination for FA's...just as coaches would not want to take the HC job here.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 13, 2020 18:19:02 GMT -5
Take him over Golden.... Keep Williams and move BJ Hill for picks
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Post by nygfanstrick on Jan 13, 2020 18:25:49 GMT -5
We need depth not over paid FAs . Just continuing to make use of bottom of the barrel league minimum fodder does not work. Having low skill players as "Next man up" is a recipe for less than average results. We need to spend money on building out the roster. Not 5 players that can come in get hurt and their replacement is below marginal. I agree for the most part although he would be a big upgrade at what we currently have at edge rusher. We do have a ton of holes, but I do think if we were to spend money that would be a good spot to use a good chunk of it. We have a ton of money that is available. That being said the OL still needs serious upgrades at tackle (both positions ideally), and center. We also don’t really have depth on the OL although I do like what I saw from Gates. Other than OL on offense I think we could be good rolling into the draft with that we have currently other than maybe a cheaper FA at RB or something to back up Barkley. Defense we could use help almost everywhere though. I would preferably like to go after a good edge and tackle if possible. Whether that’s bringing back Golden and saving some money or going after Yannick. This draft is deep and talented, especially at OT and center, which is good for us. I think they have enough money to go after one or two higher rated Free Agent targets and still have enough money to spread it around to get quality players in areas we are in serious need. Ideally we are able to get a stud or two and fill most of the holes we have, so we can use our high draft picks for the most part on BPA and get the most talented guys we can
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Post by TEM on Jan 13, 2020 18:38:03 GMT -5
We need depth not over paid FAs . Just continuing to make use of bottom of the barrel league minimum fodder does not work. Having low skill players as "Next man up" is a recipe for less than average results. We need to spend money on building out the roster. Not 5 players that can come in get hurt and their replacement is below marginal. I agree for the most part although he would be a big upgrade at what we currently have at edge rusher. We do have a ton of holes, but I do think if we were to spend money that would be a good spot to use a good chunk of it. We have a ton of money that is available. That being said the OL still needs serious upgrades at tackle (both positions ideally), and center. We also don’t really have depth on the OL although I do like what I saw from Gates. Other than OL on offense I think we could be good rolling into the draft with that we have currently other than maybe a cheaper FA at RB or something to back up Barkley. Defense we could use help almost everywhere though. I would preferably like to go after a good edge and tackle if possible. Whether that’s bringing back Golden and saving some money or going after Yannick. This draft is deep and talented, especially at OT and center, which is good for us. I think they have enough money to go after one or two higher rated Free Agent targets and still have enough money to spread it around to get quality players in areas we are in serious need. Ideally we are able to get a stud or two and fill most of the holes we have, so we can use our high draft picks for the most part on BPA and get the most talented guys we can I disagree . Every time JPP and Vernon wend down . We had no one to replace them with . We need depth . Build through the draft. Enhance the roster with FAs. Not practice squad wannabes. The idea of buying a championship is a flawed system. A guy like Yannick is a finishing piece to put your team over the edge for a run. He is not not a roster building piece.
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Post by southerner on Jan 13, 2020 18:45:46 GMT -5
That isn’t the Patriot way to sign this free agent for big bucks....no way The new HC does it.....he will look for young backups..or older veterans not asking for much.....that is the Patriot way....better get use to it because that is how the Giants will operate now.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 13, 2020 18:46:11 GMT -5
LMAO. So we have been terrible sacking the QB for years now. Our top sacker in years got 10 sacks this year. This guy gets 9-12 every year of his career and people don't want to get him because he isn't a 20 sack a year guy. SMH. We won't get better at sacking the QB if we don't get better players. Him combined with Golden would be a good combo and improve both of their production.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2020 18:47:58 GMT -5
I agree for the most part although he would be a big upgrade at what we currently have at edge rusher. We do have a ton of holes, but I do think if we were to spend money that would be a good spot to use a good chunk of it. We have a ton of money that is available. That being said the OL still needs serious upgrades at tackle (both positions ideally), and center. We also don’t really have depth on the OL although I do like what I saw from Gates. Other than OL on offense I think we could be good rolling into the draft with that we have currently other than maybe a cheaper FA at RB or something to back up Barkley. Defense we could use help almost everywhere though. I would preferably like to go after a good edge and tackle if possible. Whether that’s bringing back Golden and saving some money or going after Yannick. This draft is deep and talented, especially at OT and center, which is good for us. I think they have enough money to go after one or two higher rated Free Agent targets and still have enough money to spread it around to get quality players in areas we are in serious need. Ideally we are able to get a stud or two and fill most of the holes we have, so we can use our high draft picks for the most part on BPA and get the most talented guys we can I disagree . Every time JPP and Vernon wend down . We had no one to replace them with . We need depth . Build through the draft. Enhance the roster with FAs. Not practice squad wannabes. The idea of buying a championship is a flawed system. A guy like Yannick is a finishing piece to put your team over the edge for a run. He is not not a roster building piece. This guy is an above average DE that actually is a bad fit in most schemes.. You don't pay this guy this year.He is a good fit for a team like Buffalo or the Ravens..teams with a qb that are good on a rookie deal..
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Post by nygfanstrick on Jan 13, 2020 18:49:05 GMT -5
I agree for the most part although he would be a big upgrade at what we currently have at edge rusher. We do have a ton of holes, but I do think if we were to spend money that would be a good spot to use a good chunk of it. We have a ton of money that is available. That being said the OL still needs serious upgrades at tackle (both positions ideally), and center. We also don’t really have depth on the OL although I do like what I saw from Gates. Other than OL on offense I think we could be good rolling into the draft with that we have currently other than maybe a cheaper FA at RB or something to back up Barkley. Defense we could use help almost everywhere though. I would preferably like to go after a good edge and tackle if possible. Whether that’s bringing back Golden and saving some money or going after Yannick. This draft is deep and talented, especially at OT and center, which is good for us. I think they have enough money to go after one or two higher rated Free Agent targets and still have enough money to spread it around to get quality players in areas we are in serious need. Ideally we are able to get a stud or two and fill most of the holes we have, so we can use our high draft picks for the most part on BPA and get the most talented guys we can I disagree . Every time JPP and Vernon wend down . We had no one to replace them with . We need depth . Build through the draft. Enhance the roster with FAs. Not practice squad wannabes. The idea of buying a championship is a flawed system. A guy like Yannick is a finishing piece to put your team over the edge for a run. He is not not a roster building piece. I hear ya, but you have the chance of someone going down every year, but I wouldn’t have that stop me from approaching the higher end of the market for a player or two (if the price is right). Not signing a star for an absurd contract just to secure them at whatever price possible or anything, but if it leaves you more than enough money to fill out the roster I’d agree with it 100%. If most teams lose their best player they will suffer, there are rare teams like NE who seem to be able to plug and play people without losing a step, but most teams will seriously feel those effects. Now I’m completely fine going into FA and coming away with strictly solid players and building depth, but if we have the chance to get a very good player and do the same thing I wouldn’t jump at it if I had the choice
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Post by bavarobeast on Jan 13, 2020 18:53:13 GMT -5
He's actually a really good player. if it was a choice between him and Williams.....I would go for Ngakoue easily.
So basically you are throwing away our 2020 3rds round pick because signing this guy and letting Williams walk is a lateral move that cancels out a potential 2021 comp pick.. Not a fan That would qualify as a close minded response to the move - if it were to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 18:53:24 GMT -5
I agree for the most part although he would be a big upgrade at what we currently have at edge rusher. We do have a ton of holes, but I do think if we were to spend money that would be a good spot to use a good chunk of it. We have a ton of money that is available. That being said the OL still needs serious upgrades at tackle (both positions ideally), and center. We also don’t really have depth on the OL although I do like what I saw from Gates. Other than OL on offense I think we could be good rolling into the draft with that we have currently other than maybe a cheaper FA at RB or something to back up Barkley. Defense we could use help almost everywhere though. I would preferably like to go after a good edge and tackle if possible. Whether that’s bringing back Golden and saving some money or going after Yannick. This draft is deep and talented, especially at OT and center, which is good for us. I think they have enough money to go after one or two higher rated Free Agent targets and still have enough money to spread it around to get quality players in areas we are in serious need. Ideally we are able to get a stud or two and fill most of the holes we have, so we can use our high draft picks for the most part on BPA and get the most talented guys we can I disagree . Every time JPP and Vernon wend down . We had no one to replace them with . We need depth . Build through the draft. Enhance the roster with FAs. Not practice squad wannabes. The idea of buying a championship is a flawed system. A guy like Yannick is a finishing piece to put your team over the edge for a run. He is not not a roster building piece. Why isn’t he? He is 24 years old. It’s not like we are bringing in an aging player that used to be great. He would be a solid addition. Name as pass rusher in FA that you feel would be better
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2020 18:54:32 GMT -5
He averages over 9 sacks a season in 4 years. I guess you don’t like good players. if we're spending market reset money (once again...) then I want a guy that breaks the game.
That kind of guy doesn't exist on the free agent market, so....if you wanna spend all our money on an ok player, fine, go for it.
He’s not an ok player. You thinking that tells me you never saw him play. And at some point we will have to spend as you said “reset money” It’s called the 89% rule. We have plenty of ok players, it’s time we start aiming for better players. And it starts with Ngakoue. Signing him (which I think he gets franchised by the Jags) makes a statement. It tells the fans we’re going to get better.
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