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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 14, 2020 8:59:59 GMT -5
Bleesed enough that they were backups that turned into All Stars. That dont happen much lol. Yo can spin it, but it was building depth , Not one of them was a practice squad " I hope he pans out " player. You win with ta deep roster. Spending 60-70 million on a few players is a disaster waiting to happen. A: You have no future money to re-sign draft picks. B You end up with a quarter of the team taking up two thirds of the cap space. I will say it again Yannick is a finishing piece . Not a roster builder. He is a roster killer. DG said in his presser that he wants to keep 20M or so in his back pocket. I'm not sure he's going to spend big on a high profile FA this year, we'll see what his approach is, personally, I don't know which way he will go. A lot may depend on input from Judge. There are a number of pretty good pass rushers in FA this year. One way or another, its been, and will continue to be an interesting off-season.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 14, 2020 10:40:38 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know who Yannick Ngakoue is, he plays DE for the Jaguars and is currently slated to be a Free Agent. 2019 Stats: 8.0 Sacks 41 Tackles 1 Interception 13 TFL He won't be 25 years old until the end of march, which is super-young for someone entering free agency and would be a great addition to this team considering that we sort of have this youth movement going on here. An apparently he's been posting pictures on Instagram for the past couple of days of LT, so this could be a subliminal way of saying he's interested in joining the Giants. Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass
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Post by GameTime on Jan 14, 2020 10:57:41 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know who Yannick Ngakoue is, he plays DE for the Jaguars and is currently slated to be a Free Agent. 2019 Stats: 8.0 Sacks 41 Tackles 1 Interception 13 TFL He won't be 25 years old until the end of march, which is super-young for someone entering free agency and would be a great addition to this team considering that we sort of have this youth movement going on here. An apparently he's been posting pictures on Instagram for the past couple of days of LT, so this could be a subliminal way of saying he's interested in joining the Giants. Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass if you've listened to anything Judge or Graham has said they will be multiple and use what it is necessary. With that said the whole team stunk this season.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Jan 14, 2020 11:44:44 GMT -5
Bleesed enough that they were backups that turned into All Stars. That dont happen much lol. Yo can spin it, but it was building depth , Not one of them was a practice squad " I hope he pans out " player. You win with ta deep roster. Spending 60-70 million on a few players is a disaster waiting to happen. A: You have no future money to re-sign draft picks. B You end up with a quarter of the team taking up two thirds of the cap space. I will say it again Yannick is a finishing piece . Not a roster builder. He is a roster killer. Agreed
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Jan 14, 2020 11:48:19 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know who Yannick Ngakoue is, he plays DE for the Jaguars and is currently slated to be a Free Agent. 2019 Stats: 8.0 Sacks 41 Tackles 1 Interception 13 TFL He won't be 25 years old until the end of march, which is super-young for someone entering free agency and would be a great addition to this team considering that we sort of have this youth movement going on here. An apparently he's been posting pictures on Instagram for the past couple of days of LT, so this could be a subliminal way of saying he's interested in joining the Giants. Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass Hard pass what is wrong with you guys.....Giants have no pass rushers and I'm not gonna watch the same crap for the last 6 years!
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 14, 2020 12:03:44 GMT -5
Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass Hard pass what is wrong with you guys.....Giants have no pass rushers and I'm not gonna watch the same crap for the last 6 years! I'd say give the new DC a chance to rectify that with most of our existing personnel, but the ranking numbers I'm seeing from the previous team aren't giving much hope for miracles. At least bringing in a player who has somewhat consistently gotten to the QB, and also has shown a knack for getting the ball out, might spur something that catches on.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 14, 2020 12:07:47 GMT -5
Hard pass what is wrong with you guys.....Giants have no pass rushers and I'm not gonna watch the same crap for the last 6 years! I'd say give the new DC a chance to rectify that with most of our existing personnel, but the ranking numbers I'm seeing from the previous team aren't giving much hope for miracles. At least bringing in a player who has somewhat consistently gotten to the QB, and also has shown a knack for getting the ball out, might spur something that catches on. You mean signing good players makes your team better? For a minute I thought if we keep average players and hope like hell they pan out was the way we do business here. And yes let’s give our new DC a chance. Let’s give him a chance to succeed, by giving him good players to work with.
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Post by soflo on Jan 14, 2020 12:11:43 GMT -5
We would get more production for the money signing Conklin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:15:14 GMT -5
Bleesed enough that they were backups that turned into All Stars. That dont happen much lol. Yo can spin it, but it was building depth , Not one of them was a practice squad " I hope he pans out " player. You win with ta deep roster. Spending 60-70 million on a few players is a disaster waiting to happen. A: You have no future money to re-sign draft picks. B You end up with a quarter of the team taking up two thirds of the cap space. I will say it again Yannick is a finishing piece . Not a roster builder. He is a roster killer. Now that the Giants have a lot of FA money and you've made this comment. Who would you think is good to come here??
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Jan 14, 2020 12:59:59 GMT -5
From a money standpoint I get it, but I think he's worth it, all the other teams have no problem locking up good players by paying them. He would really help this miserable defense and he's only 24.
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Post by titowooten on Jan 14, 2020 13:52:35 GMT -5
we need to save that money to sign leonard williams so he can get 2 sacks for us next season. great trade again dave.
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Post by TEM on Jan 14, 2020 16:15:49 GMT -5
Yo can spin it, but it was building depth , Not one of them was a practice squad " I hope he pans out " player. You win with ta deep roster. Spending 60-70 million on a few players is a disaster waiting to happen. A: You have no future money to re-sign draft picks. B You end up with a quarter of the team taking up two thirds of the cap space. I will say it again Yannick is a finishing piece . Not a roster builder. He is a roster killer. Now that the Giants have a lot of FA money and you've made this comment. Who would you think is good to come here?? I think we can get guys like Rett Ellison( 2-6 million a year) . Mid tier players . I like them better than top of the heap players. You are not stuck with huge dead cap , if you have to let them go. I like the guys Breshad Perriman Ryan Shazier Cory Littleton Marcedes Lewis ( A TE that can block) Carl Nassib Matthew Slater
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Post by Miked1958 on Jan 14, 2020 20:05:43 GMT -5
Of course he does. The Giants will have over $60 million in cap space. Now saying that he will give us instant credibility as a pass rusher. And is only 25 years old.. The many questions is will Jacksonville franchise him? And if not how much will it cost to sign him? dallas has 80m in cap space? Did i hear that right? Or maybe it was another team. If so how did they end up with more then giants who are dumping odell & eli contracts
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 14, 2020 20:23:32 GMT -5
Of course he does. The Giants will have over $60 million in cap space. Now saying that he will give us instant credibility as a pass rusher. And is only 25 years old.. The many questions is will Jacksonville franchise him? And if not how much will it cost to sign him? dallas has 80m in cap space? Did i hear that right? Or maybe it was another team. If so how did they end up with more then giants who are dumping odell & eli contracts The projected salary cap is going to be $196.8 million. And from what I’m reading the Cowboys will have north of $90 million in cap space. Now it makes sense how they spent a lot of money last year. But extremely frustrating, they are competing with a ton of salary cap while we suck and not even close to the amount of them.
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Post by DMighty on Jan 14, 2020 20:34:45 GMT -5
That isn’t the Patriot way to sign this free agent for big bucks....no way The new HC does it.....he will look for young backups..or older veterans not asking for much.....that is the Patriot way....better get use to it because that is how the Giants will operate now. Exactly. Very surprise you're the first to make this statement.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 14, 2020 21:52:32 GMT -5
That isn’t the Patriot way to sign this free agent for big bucks....no way The new HC does it.....he will look for young backups..or older veterans not asking for much.....that is the Patriot way....better get use to it because that is how the Giants will operate now. Exactly. Very surprise you're the first to make this statement. No The Patriots don't sign above average players for top player money,they will trade and sign superstars and pay top dollar (Randy Moss,Gilmour,Revis,Talib just a few) Big difference
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Post by McCherry on Jan 14, 2020 22:29:27 GMT -5
Exactly. Very surprise you're the first to make this statement. No The Patriots don't sign above average players for top player money,they will trade and sign superstars and pay top dollar (Randy Moss,Gilmour,Revis,Talib just a few) Big difference The big signing in NE is rare though. But there’s another thing, Gettleman is still the GM.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 14, 2020 22:48:06 GMT -5
No The Patriots don't sign above average players for top player money,they will trade and sign superstars and pay top dollar (Randy Moss,Gilmour,Revis,Talib just a few) Big difference The big signing in NE is rare though. But there’s another thing, Gettleman is still the GM. Yeah I'm just correcting narrative boy saying they never sign anyone and only bring in modeling bland players New England doesn't overspend on players like this though
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 14, 2020 23:51:58 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know who Yannick Ngakoue is, he plays DE for the Jaguars and is currently slated to be a Free Agent. 2019 Stats: 8.0 Sacks 41 Tackles 1 Interception 13 TFL He won't be 25 years old until the end of march, which is super-young for someone entering free agency and would be a great addition to this team considering that we sort of have this youth movement going on here. An apparently he's been posting pictures on Instagram for the past couple of days of LT, so this could be a subliminal way of saying he's interested in joining the Giants. Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass Arguing about the difference between a 4-3 and 3-4 is silly today. Every DC in the NFL will tell you the same thing, including our incoming DC. The only argument about 4-3 and 3-4 happens on forums like this one. Get talented players and put them in situations where they can succeed based on what they do well. That's what winning teams do.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Jan 15, 2020 0:45:47 GMT -5
Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass Arguing about the difference between a 4-3 and 3-4 is silly today. Every DC in the NFL will tell you the same thing, including our incoming DC. The only argument about 4-3 and 3-4 happens on forums like this one. Get talented players and put them in situations where they can succeed based on what they do well. That's what winning teams do. Exactly it doesn't matter what defense they run he's a good solid player that can make an impact period. What is so hard about that. People wanna wait and see if young players turn out to be stars, no they need to win now.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jan 15, 2020 2:08:37 GMT -5
dallas has 80m in cap space? Did i hear that right? Or maybe it was another team. If so how did they end up with more then giants who are dumping odell & eli contracts The projected salary cap is going to be $196.8 million. And from what I’m reading the Cowboys will have north of $90 million in cap space. Now it makes sense how they spent a lot of money last year. But extremely frustrating, they are competing with a ton of salary cap while we suck and not even close to the amount of them. dont get it they paid Elliott?? How could they still have 90m? They have to pay Dak & Cooper. So that will be a chunk
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 15, 2020 6:37:38 GMT -5
Are we going back to the 4-3 base? Unless we are, he's a terrible fit. Great, he averages 8-9 sacks a year, but is one of the worst 4-3 DE's against the run. Hard, hard pass Arguing about the difference between a 4-3 and 3-4 is silly today. Every DC in the NFL will tell you the same thing, including our incoming DC. The only argument about 4-3 and 3-4 happens on forums like this one. Get talented players and put them in situations where they can succeed based on what they do well. That's what winning teams do. But if a defense built for the 3-4 only has DT types whose best ability is forward push, who is getting around to the QB from an angle when they line up 4-3?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 7:55:01 GMT -5
dallas has 80m in cap space? Did i hear that right? Or maybe it was another team. If so how did they end up with more then giants who are dumping odell & eli contracts The projected salary cap is going to be $196.8 million. And from what I’m reading the Cowboys will have north of $90 million in cap space. Now it makes sense how they spent a lot of money last year. But extremely frustrating, they are competing with a ton of salary cap while we suck and not even close to the amount of them. The Bills have 20 million more in cap space then the Giants so they are doing it even better than the Cowboys.. Some fans act like the Giants are the only team with a lot of cap space and expect any player they like will want to come here..
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Post by TEM on Jan 15, 2020 8:33:18 GMT -5
The projected salary cap is going to be $196.8 million. And from what I’m reading the Cowboys will have north of $90 million in cap space. Now it makes sense how they spent a lot of money last year. But extremely frustrating, they are competing with a ton of salary cap while we suck and not even close to the amount of them. The Bills have 20 million more in cap space then the Giants so they are doing it even better than the Cowboys.. Some fans act like the Giants are the only team with a lot of cap space and expect any player they like will want to come here.. 70 is not a lot of cap space. Less the 20 that Dave wants to pocket. We are at 50 million. Give or take a few, 20 Roster spots to fill. I would think at least 8 of that is going to sign the draft picks. We are at 42 in space to spend in FA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 8:45:30 GMT -5
The Bills have 20 million more in cap space then the Giants so they are doing it even better than the Cowboys.. Some fans act like the Giants are the only team with a lot of cap space and expect any player they like will want to come here.. 70 is not a lot of cap space. Less the 20 that Dave wants to pocket. We are at 50 million. Give or take a few, 20 Roster spots to fill. I would think at least 8 of that is going to sign the draft picks. We are at 42 in space to spend in FA. The cap number should get close to another 15 million added when they cut some players.. As for what is considered a lot and what isn't the Giants are currently in the 6th slot so maybe it's not a lot in your opinion it is near the top in the league..
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Post by shocknaweny on Jan 15, 2020 17:24:06 GMT -5
He is gonna want crazy money and after he OV thing that kinda scares me
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Post by TEM on Jan 15, 2020 17:45:22 GMT -5
70 is not a lot of cap space. Less the 20 that Dave wants to pocket. We are at 50 million. Give or take a few, 20 Roster spots to fill. I would think at least 8 of that is going to sign the draft picks. We are at 42 in space to spend in FA. The cap number should get close to another 15 million added when they cut some players..As for what is considered a lot and what isn't the Giants are currently in the 6th slot so maybe it's not a lot in your opinion it is near the top in the league.. That is a big If?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 7:52:38 GMT -5
The cap number should get close to another 15 million added when they cut some players..As for what is considered a lot and what isn't the Giants are currently in the 6th slot so maybe it's not a lot in your opinion it is near the top in the league.. That is a big If? I don't think it is..
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 7:53:46 GMT -5
Who is getting cut to free up this 15 million you think will be added?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 8:07:12 GMT -5
Who is getting cut to free up this 15 million you think will be added? Alec Ogletree, ILB | $8.25 million savings Rhett Ellison, TE | $5 million savings Kareem Martin, OLB | $4.8 million savings Antoine Bethea, S | $2.75 million savings
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