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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 8:10:39 GMT -5
Who is getting cut to free up this 15 million you think will be added? Alec Ogletree, ILB | $8.25 million savings Rhett Ellison, TE | $5 million savings Kareem Martin, OLB | $4.8 million savings Antoine Bethea, S | $2.75 million savings Martin is cuttable without effect Who are you replacing the other 3 with? At what cost?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 8:18:10 GMT -5
Alec Ogletree, ILB | $8.25 million savings Rhett Ellison, TE | $5 million savings Kareem Martin, OLB | $4.8 million savings Antoine Bethea, S | $2.75 million savings Martin is cuttable without effect Who are you replacing the other 3 with? At what cost? The replacement players are already on the roster.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 8:20:50 GMT -5
Martin is cuttable without effect Who are you replacing the other 3 with? At what cost? The replacement players are already on the roster. Who?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 8:25:09 GMT -5
The replacement players are already on the roster. Who? Really?? It's like you don't know who's on this team.. Connelly at LB Love at S Smith at TE Anybody breathing for Martin..
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 8:41:38 GMT -5
Really?? It's like you don't know who's on this team.. Connelly at LB Love at S Smith at TE Anybody breathing for Martin.. Connelly played 5 games and tore his ACL. Has not proved he is 75 -95% snap count player. Love looked promising but has not proved anything. Smith was cut off the 49s roster. As A GM with a noose around your neck . You are going to roll the dice ( career) on a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick , a 6th round pick that was cut by the team that drafted him that is the championship game. Wasn't even better than the #3. Cut 3 proven players that by todays a standards for starters and support players are cheep. Ok I guess.
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 16, 2020 8:47:20 GMT -5
Really?? It's like you don't know who's on this team.. Connelly at LB Love at S Smith at TE Anybody breathing for Martin.. Connelly played 5 games and tore his ACL. Has not proved he is 75 -95 snap count player. Love looked promising but has not proved anything. Smith was cut off the 49s roster. As A GM with a noose around your neck . You are going to roll the dice ( career) on a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick , a 6th round pick that was cut by the team that drafted him that is the championship game. Wasn't even better than the #3. Cut 3 proven players that by todays a standards for starters and support players are cheep. Ok I guess. I would think Gettleman's noose will be the O-line. These other players need to placed as starters, assuming health and camp performance demonstrate that. They can possibly become a puff or two into Gettleman's lifejacket.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 9:05:13 GMT -5
Connelly played 5 games and tore his ACL. Has not proved he is 75 -95 snap count player. Love looked promising but has not proved anything. Smith was cut off the 49s roster. As A GM with a noose around your neck . You are going to roll the dice ( career) on a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick , a 6th round pick that was cut by the team that drafted him that is the championship game. Wasn't even better than the #3. Cut 3 proven players that by todays a standards for starters and support players are cheep. Ok I guess. I would think Gettleman's noose will be the O-line. These other players need to placed as starters, assuming health and camp performance demonstrate that. They can possibly become a puff or two into Gettleman's lifejacket. You are missing the point . His Noose is about winning period. I can't see him cutting established proven players that are not expensive to replace them with dice rolls. You do that day one of a rebuild. Not in the beginning of year 3 unless you can replace them with better talent. We have more needs than to replace existing players with"OMG I hope so". That phrase has been our main problem. Why would anyone want to continue down that path. As fans we seem to blame our vets for the ill effects of PS players and rookies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 9:07:26 GMT -5
Really?? It's like you don't know who's on this team.. Connelly at LB Love at S Smith at TE Anybody breathing for Martin.. Connelly played 5 games and tore his ACL. Has not proved he is 75 -95% snap count player. Love looked promising but has not proved anything. Smith was cut off the 49s roster. As A GM with a noose around your neck . You are going to roll the dice ( career) on a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick , a 6th round pick that was cut by the team that drafted him that is the championship game. Wasn't even better than the #3. Cut 3 proven players that by todays a standards for starters and support players are cheep. Ok I guess. It sure is a risk with Connelly and I would have to see if he has an injury history. Smith played real good for the team down the stretch so I don't understand why you are dismissing him? Maybe I'm confusing you with some other poster because I feel you are one of the biggest supporter of giving the young players a few years you prove their value and you will argue with anyone who dismisses them after a year or two like what is being done with Carter.. Here you are doing the opposite and dismissing them due to their draft position!! I really don't understand how any fan can support Ogltree after these two years and maybe it's me being brought up with the studs they had in the 70s and 80s because I don't see any value with him especially at the price he commands..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 9:08:57 GMT -5
Connelly played 5 games and tore his ACL. Has not proved he is 75 -95 snap count player. Love looked promising but has not proved anything. Smith was cut off the 49s roster. As A GM with a noose around your neck . You are going to roll the dice ( career) on a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick , a 6th round pick that was cut by the team that drafted him that is the championship game. Wasn't even better than the #3. Cut 3 proven players that by todays a standards for starters and support players are cheep. Ok I guess. I would think Gettleman's noose will be the O-line. These other players need to placed as starters, assuming health and camp performance demonstrate that. They can possibly become a puff or two into Gettleman's lifejacket. You are correct!! Getty better fix this oline with players and not just names from the past who are way past their prime!
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 9:16:25 GMT -5
Connelly played 5 games and tore his ACL. Has not proved he is 75 -95% snap count player. Love looked promising but has not proved anything. Smith was cut off the 49s roster. As A GM with a noose around your neck . You are going to roll the dice ( career) on a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick , a 6th round pick that was cut by the team that drafted him that is the championship game. Wasn't even better than the #3. Cut 3 proven players that by todays a standards for starters and support players are cheep. Ok I guess. It sure is a risk with Connelly and I would have to see if he has an injury history. Smith played real good for the team down the stretch so I don't understand why you are dismissing him? Maybe I'm confusing you with some other poster because I feel you are one of the biggest supporter of giving the young players a few years you prove their value and you will argue with anyone who dismisses them after a year or two like what is being done with Carter.. Here you are doing the opposite and dismissing them due to their draft position!! I really don't understand how any fan can support Ogltree after these two years and maybe it's me being brought up with the studs they had in the 70s and 80s because I don't see any value with him especially at the price he commands.. I am a fan of giving young player a chance. I also understand a team needs a balance of vets and young players. The guys you want to cut are cheep by NFL pay standards. Ogletree is a good player. If the staff did think he was. He would not be playing 99 to 100% of the defensive snaps.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 9:28:18 GMT -5
It sure is a risk with Connelly and I would have to see if he has an injury history. Smith played real good for the team down the stretch so I don't understand why you are dismissing him? Maybe I'm confusing you with some other poster because I feel you are one of the biggest supporter of giving the young players a few years you prove their value and you will argue with anyone who dismisses them after a year or two like what is being done with Carter.. Here you are doing the opposite and dismissing them due to their draft position!! I really don't understand how any fan can support Ogltree after these two years and maybe it's me being brought up with the studs they had in the 70s and 80s because I don't see any value with him especially at the price he commands.. I am a fan of giving young player a chance. I also understand a team needs a balance of vets and young players. The guys you want to cut are cheep by NFL pay standards. Ogletree is a good player. If the staff did think he was. He would not be playing 99 to 100% of the defensive snaps. No Ogletree isn't a good player and if Connelly didn't get hurt then he would've been on the bench.. We will see if he's on the roster come September and my money is that he isn't. As for the other veterans you feel are so badly needed on this team.. I'm on the fence about keeping Bethea but Ellison isn't needed now.. You asked what players are potential cuts to increase the cap and I copied the players from an article to answer your question. I was just responding to the cap situation and no matter who you or I like or don't this decision isn't up to us and there shouldn't be any surprise that you are I aren't in agreement..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 9:31:11 GMT -5
It sure is a risk with Connelly and I would have to see if he has an injury history. Smith played real good for the team down the stretch so I don't understand why you are dismissing him? Maybe I'm confusing you with some other poster because I feel you are one of the biggest supporter of giving the young players a few years you prove their value and you will argue with anyone who dismisses them after a year or two like what is being done with Carter.. Here you are doing the opposite and dismissing them due to their draft position!! I really don't understand how any fan can support Ogltree after these two years and maybe it's me being brought up with the studs they had in the 70s and 80s because I don't see any value with him especially at the price he commands.. I am a fan of giving young player a chance. I also understand a team needs a balance of vets and young players. The guys you want to cut are cheep by NFL pay standards. Ogletree is a good player. If the staff did think he was. He would not be playing 99 to 100% of the defensive snaps. I guess you have no issues with the way Solder played since he was out there 100% of the time also just like Ogletree and that's the staff's call.. LOL
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 9:58:37 GMT -5
I am a fan of giving young player a chance. I also understand a team needs a balance of vets and young players. The guys you want to cut are cheep by NFL pay standards. Ogletree is a good player. If the staff did think he was. He would not be playing 99 to 100% of the defensive snaps. I guess you have no issues with the way Solder played since he was out there 100% of the time also just like Ogletree and that's the staff's call.. LOL Again with a strawman argument. You seem to use statements that you suggest I implied something. When I never did as your point . It perplexing that you continue to think I would not catch your intentional attempt place words in my mouth. Keep up the strawman comments . You may at some point seek one through. As far a Solder. If he is as bad as you say . Why did he play most of the snaps at LT? . Why was he not cut like Flowers, Heart, Omameh mid- season? Why was he not part your player cut list? There is an out clause on his contract this off season (a savings of 5 million)
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:10:48 GMT -5
I am a fan of giving young player a chance. I also understand a team needs a balance of vets and young players. The guys you want to cut are cheep by NFL pay standards. Ogletree is a good player. If the staff did think he was. He would not be playing 99 to 100% of the defensive snaps. No Ogletree isn't a good player and if Connelly didn't get hurt then he would've been on the bench.. We will see if he's on the roster come September and my money is that he isn't. As for the other veterans you feel are so badly needed on this team.. I'm on the fence about keeping Bethea but Ellison isn't needed now.. You asked what players are potential cuts to increase the cap and I copied the players from an article to answer your question. I was just responding to the cap situation and no matter who you or I like or don't this decision isn't up to us and there shouldn't be any surprise that you are I aren't in agreement.. You said there can be 15 million that can be freed up. When picking players off the roster to cut with 4th ,5th 6th round draft pick to replace the with. Is not freeing up cap space . It is making more holes that need to be filled, Why not just cut Barkley that saves 8 million Dexter Lawrence that frees up 3 million. Like I said freeing up cap space without a plan to replace the talent is not a smart move. It is even less palatable when your lack of cap space does not dictate it. The Giants do not need to cut players to get under the cap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:20:16 GMT -5
I guess you have no issues with the way Solder played since he was out there 100% of the time also just like Ogletree and that's the staff's call.. LOL Again with a strawman argument. You seem to use statements that you suggest I implied something. When I never did as your point . It perplexing that you continue to think I would not catch your intentional attempt place words in my mouth. Keep up the strawman comments . You may at some point seek one through. As far a Solder. If he is as bad as you say . Why did he play most of the snaps at LT? . Why was he not cut like Flowers, Heart, Omameh mid- season? Why was he not part your player cut list? There is an out clause on his contract this off season (a savings of 5 million) Straw man argument?? I was just pointing out that because a team plays a player doesn't mean they are any good. Talk about straw man arguments this is perfect example of that. Solder I thought was a slam dunk to put this theory of yours to rest but I see you are doubling down and must be happy with his play!! Crazy times when Ogletree and Solder are considered irreplaceable because they played a lot the year before but sucked pretty bad.. Let me tell you AGAIN since you missed it the 1st time.. I just copied the players that were being discussed in an article as players who could be cut to save more cap money so the REASON I didn't include Solder is because he wasn't on the list.. It would be awesome if Solder wasn't the LT next year for the Giants because they would've found a player to replace him. I think it's a lock Ogltree isn't on the team come September..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:21:40 GMT -5
No Ogletree isn't a good player and if Connelly didn't get hurt then he would've been on the bench.. We will see if he's on the roster come September and my money is that he isn't. As for the other veterans you feel are so badly needed on this team.. I'm on the fence about keeping Bethea but Ellison isn't needed now.. You asked what players are potential cuts to increase the cap and I copied the players from an article to answer your question. I was just responding to the cap situation and no matter who you or I like or don't this decision isn't up to us and there shouldn't be any surprise that you are I aren't in agreement.. You said there can be 15 million that can be freed up. When picking players off the roster to cut with 4th ,5th 6th round draft pick to replace the with. Is not freeing up cap space . It is making more holes that need to be filled, Why not just cut Barkley that saves 8 million Dexter Lawrence that frees up 3 million. Like I said freeing up cap space without a plan to replace the talent is not a smart move. It is even less palatable when your lack of cap space does not dictate it. The Giants do not need to cut players to get under the cap. I see you are just throwing out stupid ideas now.. I also pointed out the players already on the roster to replace them so you are making up that those holes aren't already here even if you don't like them I felt they played better than the ones who are being discussed..
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:26:42 GMT -5
You said there can be 15 million that can be freed up. When picking players off the roster to cut with 4th ,5th 6th round draft pick to replace the with. Is not freeing up cap space . It is making more holes that need to be filled, Why not just cut Barkley that saves 8 million Dexter Lawrence that frees up 3 million. Like I said freeing up cap space without a plan to replace the talent is not a smart move. It is even less palatable when your lack of cap space does not dictate it. The Giants do not need to cut players to get under the cap. I see you are just throwing out stupid ideas now.. GO GIANTS!! No just showing you what you are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:28:49 GMT -5
I see you are just throwing out stupid ideas now.. GO GIANTS!! No just showing you what you are doing. I've added to the response if it matters to you and I haven't said anything dumb like cutting Barkley so nice try but that's a fail on your part.. Have a great day!
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 16, 2020 10:33:53 GMT -5
Why do I see him as Vernon 2.0? I sort of agree.
And he is going to get way overpaid ... like all big name FA's ....
all we can hope for is that Gettleman has learned his lesson on overpaying for talent....
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:34:53 GMT -5
Again with a strawman argument. You seem to use statements that you suggest I implied something. When I never did as your point . It perplexing that you continue to think I would not catch your intentional attempt place words in my mouth. Keep up the strawman comments . You may at some point seek one through. As far a Solder. If he is as bad as you say . Why did he play most of the snaps at LT? . Why was he not cut like Flowers, Heart, Omameh mid- season? Why was he not part your player cut list? There is an out clause on his contract this off season (a savings of 5 million) Straw man argument?? I was just pointing out that because a team plays a player doesn't mean they are any good. Talk about straw man arguments this is perfect example of that. Solder I thought was a slam dunk to put this theory of yours to rest but I see you are doubling down and must be happy with his play!! Crazy times when Ogletree and Solder are considered irreplaceable because they played a lot the year before but sucked pretty bad.. Let me tell you AGAIN since you missed it the 1st time.. I just copied the players that were being discussed in an article as players who could be cut to save more cap money so the REASON I didn't include Solder is because he wasn't on the list.. It would be awesome if Solder wasn't the LT next year for the Giants because they would've found a player to replace him. I think it's a lock Ogltree isn't on the team come September.. You can spin it you implying what I think or believe and using that to make a point on a different subject. Using...……….. Solder as it relets to Ogletree. Without me even saying anything about Solder is the definition of a strawman argument
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 16, 2020 10:38:12 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Clowney becomes available as a FA will Gettleman spend the bucks for him..
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 16, 2020 10:42:15 GMT -5
I would think Gettleman's noose will be the O-line. These other players need to placed as starters, assuming health and camp performance demonstrate that. They can possibly become a puff or two into Gettleman's lifejacket. You are missing the point . His Noose is about winning period. I can't see him cutting established proven players that are not expensive to replace them with dice rolls. You do that day one of a rebuild. Not in the beginning of year 3 unless you can replace them with better talent. We have more needs than to replace existing players with"OMG I hope so". That phrase has been our main problem. Why would anyone want to continue down that path. As fans we seem to blame our vets for the ill effects of PS players and rookies. I think once the coaching staff has been filled out and the new staff evaluates the roster we will have a much better idea of who stays and who goes..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:45:51 GMT -5
Straw man argument?? I was just pointing out that because a team plays a player doesn't mean they are any good. Talk about straw man arguments this is perfect example of that. Solder I thought was a slam dunk to put this theory of yours to rest but I see you are doubling down and must be happy with his play!! Crazy times when Ogletree and Solder are considered irreplaceable because they played a lot the year before but sucked pretty bad.. Let me tell you AGAIN since you missed it the 1st time.. I just copied the players that were being discussed in an article as players who could be cut to save more cap money so the REASON I didn't include Solder is because he wasn't on the list.. It would be awesome if Solder wasn't the LT next year for the Giants because they would've found a player to replace him. I think it's a lock Ogltree isn't on the team come September.. You can spin it you implying what I think or believe and using that to make a point on a different subject. Using...……….. Solder as it relets to Ogletree. Without me even saying anything about Solder is the definition of a strawman argument They have a connection of playing a lot of snaps but both playing very bad. I don't understand how you don't see this and now I know that you think any player who plays a lot of snaps is a good player due to that. I find this thinking to be incorrect.. A straw man arguement is claiming a player must be good because the team played them a lot..
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:50:36 GMT -5
You are missing the point . His Noose is about winning period. I can't see him cutting established proven players that are not expensive to replace them with dice rolls. You do that day one of a rebuild. Not in the beginning of year 3 unless you can replace them with better talent. We have more needs than to replace existing players with"OMG I hope so". That phrase has been our main problem. Why would anyone want to continue down that path. As fans we seem to blame our vets for the ill effects of PS players and rookies. I think once the coaching staff has been filled out and the new staff evaluates the roster we will have a much better idea of who stays and who goes.. It is the GM decision on who he keeps trades or, signs. IMO: and I will say it again . With a noose around his neck. he will not make make any unnecessary changes when he has so many necessities to fill. Putting in "I hope so players" so he can cut proven players would be idiotic in his current position.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:54:33 GMT -5
You can spin it you implying what I think or believe and using that to make a point on a different subject. Using...……….. Solder as it relets to Ogletree. Without me even saying anything about Solder is the definition of a strawman argument They have a connection of playing a lot of snaps but both playing very bad. I don't understand how you don't see this and now I know that you think any player who plays a lot of snaps is a good player due to that. I find this thinking to be incorrect.. A straw man arguement is claiming a player must be good because the team played them a lot.. Do you even know what a strawman argument is? Definition A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. "I guess you have no issues with the way Solder played since he was out there 100% of the time also just like Ogletree and that's the staff's call.. ( Strawman argument)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 11:09:10 GMT -5
They have a connection of playing a lot of snaps but both playing very bad. I don't understand how you don't see this and now I know that you think any player who plays a lot of snaps is a good player due to that. I find this thinking to be incorrect.. A straw man arguement is claiming a player must be good because the team played them a lot.. Do you even know what a strawman argument is? Definition A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. "I guess you have no issues with the way Solder played since he was out there 100% of the time also just like Ogletree and that's the staff's call.. ( Strawman argument)Fine then please call it whatever you want. How was my comment a refute when it was a connection is the point that you seem to be missing big time? The fact is that you said it so it must apply to all the players who got a lot of playing time.. That's just basic understanding of what is being written and the fact you didn't deny it and double downed agreeing with it is really the point here.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 16, 2020 11:19:30 GMT -5
Alec Ogletree, ILB | $8.25 million savings Rhett Ellison, TE | $5 million savings Kareem Martin, OLB | $4.8 million savings Antoine Bethea, S | $2.75 million savings Martin is cuttable without effect Who are you replacing the other 3 with? At what cost? I’m pretty sure releasing those players is going to be a no-brainer.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 11:24:46 GMT -5
Do you even know what a strawman argument is? Definition A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. "I guess you have no issues with the way Solder played since he was out there 100% of the time also just like Ogletree and that's the staff's call.. ( Strawman argument)Fine then please call it whatever you want. How was my comment a refute when it was a connection is the point that you seem to be missing big time? The fact is that you said it so it must apply to all the players who got a lot of playing time.. That's just basic understanding of what is being written and the fact you didn't deny it and double downed agreeing with it is really the point here.Again with strawman arguments. never said or implied either. You lost all credibility with me as soon as you placed words in my mouth. In the future if you want me to take you seriously refrain from doing so. Like I said I will not take you seriously or will I. you want to make points that do not include strawman argument fine. Other than that I wont comply whit you narrative push. I did state the staff thinks different than you . Everything else has been made up in you head.
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 16, 2020 11:53:46 GMT -5
I would think Gettleman's noose will be the O-line. These other players need to placed as starters, assuming health and camp performance demonstrate that. They can possibly become a puff or two into Gettleman's lifejacket. You are missing the point . His Noose is about winning period. I can't see him cutting established proven players that are not expensive to replace them with dice rolls. You do that day one of a rebuild. Not in the beginning of year 3 unless you can replace them with better talent. We have more needs than to replace existing players with"OMG I hope so". That phrase has been our main problem. Why would anyone want to continue down that path. As fans we seem to blame our vets for the ill effects of PS players and rookies. With all the coaching and possibly scheme changes, there is speculation that Gettleman will get more time to actually have the team start winning. But I would still believe what he does with the line personnel will be the biggest decider in that. These 3 other young fellows whose names were brought up, they all showed something and are not unknowns. The vets mentioned look pretty much done, as much as I feel Ellison was not used so well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 12:08:38 GMT -5
Fine then please call it whatever you want. How was my comment a refute when it was a connection is the point that you seem to be missing big time? The fact is that you said it so it must apply to all the players who got a lot of playing time.. That's just basic understanding of what is being written and the fact you didn't deny it and double downed agreeing with it is really the point here.Again with strawman arguments. never said or implied either. You lost all credibility with me as soon as you placed words in my mouth. In the future if you want me to take you seriously refrain from doing so. Like I said I will not take you seriously or will I. you want to make points that do not include strawman argument fine. Other than that I wont comply whit you narrative push. I did state the staff thinks different than you . Everything else has been made up in you head. You have said this twice now and acting like you haven't is wrong on all levels.. Maybe you just have trouble following what you write.. That's a terrible way to go through life and good luck in the future..
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