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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 14:28:34 GMT -5
So Gettleman clearly states that drafting DJ was Shurmur's idea and he had him identified a year before the draft. Interestingly enough, Pat now coached the QB I felt was the best QB in Drew lock... Gettleman said he felt comfortable passing on the quarterbacks in the 2018 draft to pick Saquon Barkley because Giants director of college scouting Chris Pettit told him the 2019 class included promising quarterbacks.
But it was Shurmur who initially called Gettleman’s attention to Jones, which makes it all the more surprising that the quarterback-minded coach was fired and Gettleman was retained partially on the basis of making the gutsy call to draft Jones earlier than projected. Gettleman fell for Jones at the 2019 Senior Bowl.
“We looked at all the quarterbacks and right up front Pat was most enamored with Daniel,” Gettleman said on WFAN. “We just kept investigating. You look at Pat’s history with quarterbacks … the young guys and what he’s gotten out of them. For him to be that enamored with him, it certainly made me do my homework.”So the one good thing DG does, Pat gets the credit for it. DG's whole goal was to find a franchise QB, and the man who does it gets shown the door. DJ was the reason we went for Barkley.....Imagine that nypost.com/2020/01/02/dave-gettleman-my-giants-logic-was-all-wrong-pat-shurmur-discovered-daniel-jones/
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 14:30:15 GMT -5
Now I don't have as much trust in DG's ability to draft anyone besides RB, OL and DL.... He doesn't seem to be in touch with the skill positions based on past picks draft
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Post by GameTime on Jan 14, 2020 14:32:45 GMT -5
Shurmur was fired because he was a poor HC....
nothing to do with finding Jones. Its cool that DG gave him the credit.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 14, 2020 14:33:52 GMT -5
Shurmur was fired because he was a poor HC.... nothing to do with finding Jones. Its cool that DG gave him the credit. Precisely.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 14:35:59 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way
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Post by GameTime on Jan 14, 2020 14:38:16 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way MacAdoo wanted Mahomes... should they have kept him because of that?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 14, 2020 14:43:02 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way I still think its premature to say DJ is definitely our next franchise QB. Year 1 was a solid rookie campaign. We must see a lot of improvement year 2 though, especially turnovers and awareness.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 14, 2020 14:45:55 GMT -5
I liked him too, don't I deserve as much credit as Pat?
The Media made the Jones/Cutcliffe connection as early as last December, I think you misunderstood what Dave was trying to say.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 14, 2020 14:58:59 GMT -5
Prob wont get the credit just like mcadoo on wanting malhomes. The fans are as bad as the fo at times.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 14, 2020 15:00:59 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way MacAdoo wanted Mahomes... should they have kept him because of that? yes, they should have listened. Not sure he would have become a good HC however he was correct on the qb situation.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 14, 2020 15:06:23 GMT -5
Prob wont get the credit just like mcadoo on wanting malhomes. The fans are as bad as the fo at times. Who won't get the credit? Our FO literally gave him the credit in that article.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 14, 2020 15:08:20 GMT -5
MacAdoo wanted Mahomes... should they have kept him because of that? yes, they should have listened. Not sure he would have become a good HC however he was correct on the qb situation. They did listen and it's well documented they tried to trade up. Chiefs were also playing that game. This stuff happens every single draft to multiple teams. We as fans can't actually fathom the amount of variables that go into drafting players, making trades, etc. Can't just save before the draft and load the save if it doesn't go exactly how we envisioned.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 14, 2020 15:12:56 GMT -5
Remember when certain fools mocked me when I made this claim repeatedly that Shurmer basicly hand picked his qb?
I could post their names here but besides being a major code of conduct violation (to call out and mock posters for being wrong) I'm not going to lower myself to their level
Then again these fools only post in the game threads when were are losing and after losses
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 14, 2020 15:14:47 GMT -5
yes, they should have listened. Not sure he would have become a good HC however he was correct on the qb situation. They did listen and it's well documented they tried to trade up. Chiefs were also playing that game. This stuff happens every single draft to multiple teams. We as fans can't actually fathom the amount of variables that go into drafting players, making trades, etc. Can't just save before the draft and load the save if it doesn't go exactly how we envisioned. Well they had Elis contract to deal with. A lot guarnteed and a his huge fan base.
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 14, 2020 15:19:40 GMT -5
Remember when certain fools mocked me when I made this claim repeatedly that Shurmer basicly hand picked his qb? I could post their names here but besides being a major code of conduct violation (to call out and mock posters for being wrong) I'm not going to lower myself to their level Then again these fools only post in the game threads when were are losing and after losses In general, I try not to post after losing games. I know for a fact I sound like a raving lunatic.
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Post by Helmet on Jan 14, 2020 15:19:52 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way What's the Giants way? Worst record in the NFL since 2017?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 14, 2020 15:20:33 GMT -5
They did listen and it's well documented they tried to trade up. Chiefs were also playing that game. This stuff happens every single draft to multiple teams. We as fans can't actually fathom the amount of variables that go into drafting players, making trades, etc. Can't just save before the draft and load the save if it doesn't go exactly how we envisioned. Well they had Elis contract to deal with. A lot guarnteed and a his huge fan base. Yeah, I never buy any of that crap. Had Eli been benched for Davis Webb (at the time) there barely would have been an outcry. He was benched for a guy with no potential future on the Giants who was not a well liked player by the general fanbase to begin with. Save me the conspiracy theories. And if we did nab Mahomes, he would have sat a year just like he did in KC for Smith while Smith also carried a big cap number. Had our season tanked with Mahomes on the roster Mac would have gone to him for sure and I don't think the fanbase makes a sound because he would have been the top 15 pick. Then Eli is gone before 18 even begins.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 14, 2020 15:26:22 GMT -5
Well they had Elis contract to deal with. A lot guarnteed and a his huge fan base. Yeah, I never buy any of that crap. Had Eli been benched for Davis Webb (at the time) there barely would have been an outcry. He was benched for a guy with no potential future on the Giants who was not a well liked player by the general fanbase to begin with. Save me the conspiracy theories. And if we did nab Mahomes, he would have sat a year just like he did in KC for Smith while Smith also carried a big cap number. Had our season tanked with Mahomes on the roster Mac would have gone to him for sure and I don't think the fanbase makes a sound because he would have been the top 15 pick. Then Eli is gone before 18 even begins. i think it would be less backlash but still backlash. But what about his contract?
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Post by Helmet on Jan 14, 2020 15:32:27 GMT -5
Prob wont get the credit just like mcadoo on wanting malhomes. The fans are as bad as the fo at times. Patrick Maholmes joined a Chiefs team that went 32-16 in its 3 prior seasons, going to the playoffs in consecutive years -- during that same span, the Giants went 23-25 with one fluke playoff appearance... hardly apples to apples. While Mc may have recognized Maholmes' talent, it's not like the Giants passed over him... he went 10th overall that draft when the NYG selected at #23
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Post by jay051 on Jan 14, 2020 15:45:55 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way MacAdoo wanted Mahomes... should they have kept him because of that? Lol.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 15:47:19 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way I still think its premature to say DJ is definitely our next franchise QB. Year 1 was a solid rookie campaign. We must see a lot of improvement year 2 though, especially turnovers and awareness. If you don't think he's the franchise QB, I'll see you when his contract is up for renewal, because he will be getting a second big contract.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 14, 2020 15:48:25 GMT -5
So Gettleman clearly states that drafting DJ was Shurmur's idea and he had him identified a year before the draft. Interestingly enough, Pat now coached the QB I felt was the best QB in Drew lock... Gettleman said he felt comfortable passing on the quarterbacks in the 2018 draft to pick Saquon Barkley because Giants director of college scouting Chris Pettit told him the 2019 class included promising quarterbacks.
But it was Shurmur who initially called Gettleman’s attention to Jones, which makes it all the more surprising that the quarterback-minded coach was fired and Gettleman was retained partially on the basis of making the gutsy call to draft Jones earlier than projected. Gettleman fell for Jones at the 2019 Senior Bowl.
“We looked at all the quarterbacks and right up front Pat was most enamored with Daniel,” Gettleman said on WFAN. “We just kept investigating. You look at Pat’s history with quarterbacks … the young guys and what he’s gotten out of them. For him to be that enamored with him, it certainly made me do my homework.”So the one good thing DG does, Pat gets the credit for it. DG's whole goal was to find a franchise QB, and the man who does it gets shown the door. DJ was the reason we went for Barkley.....Imagine that nypost.com/2020/01/02/dave-gettleman-my-giants-logic-was-all-wrong-pat-shurmur-discovered-daniel-jones/
We already discussed this. This is old news.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 14, 2020 15:48:37 GMT -5
Remember when certain fools mocked me when I made this claim repeatedly that Shurmer basicly hand picked his qb? I could post their names here but besides being a major code of conduct violation (to call out and mock posters for being wrong) I'm not going to lower myself to their level Then again these fools only post in the game threads when were are losing and after losses Good call on that one. I don't care whose idea it was because it looks like he's a solid pick which left most of us scratching our heads. Glad we have him moving forward.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 15:49:43 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way MacAdoo wanted Mahomes... should they have kept him because of that? If Mac was able to convince them to trade up for Mahomes with Eli on the Roster. I would have demanded they bring him back considering he had the best record of any coach in quite some time.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 14, 2020 15:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I never buy any of that crap. Had Eli been benched for Davis Webb (at the time) there barely would have been an outcry. He was benched for a guy with no potential future on the Giants who was not a well liked player by the general fanbase to begin with. Save me the conspiracy theories. And if we did nab Mahomes, he would have sat a year just like he did in KC for Smith while Smith also carried a big cap number. Had our season tanked with Mahomes on the roster Mac would have gone to him for sure and I don't think the fanbase makes a sound because he would have been the top 15 pick. Then Eli is gone before 18 even begins. i think it would be less backlash but still backlash. But what about his contract? What about it? I don't really know what you're referring to that's a big deal. He had a big contract, just like Alex Smith did when he was sitting behind him. Do you think if the Chiefs were sitting at 2-10 with Alex Smith that Andy Reid wouldn't have played Mahomes because of his cap number? Probably would have moved to him before 2-10.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 15:50:59 GMT -5
So Gettleman clearly states that drafting DJ was Shurmur's idea and he had him identified a year before the draft. Interestingly enough, Pat now coached the QB I felt was the best QB in Drew lock... Gettleman said he felt comfortable passing on the quarterbacks in the 2018 draft to pick Saquon Barkley because Giants director of college scouting Chris Pettit told him the 2019 class included promising quarterbacks.
But it was Shurmur who initially called Gettleman’s attention to Jones, which makes it all the more surprising that the quarterback-minded coach was fired and Gettleman was retained partially on the basis of making the gutsy call to draft Jones earlier than projected. Gettleman fell for Jones at the 2019 Senior Bowl.
“We looked at all the quarterbacks and right up front Pat was most enamored with Daniel,” Gettleman said on WFAN. “We just kept investigating. You look at Pat’s history with quarterbacks … the young guys and what he’s gotten out of them. For him to be that enamored with him, it certainly made me do my homework.”So the one good thing DG does, Pat gets the credit for it. DG's whole goal was to find a franchise QB, and the man who does it gets shown the door. DJ was the reason we went for Barkley.....Imagine that nypost.com/2020/01/02/dave-gettleman-my-giants-logic-was-all-wrong-pat-shurmur-discovered-daniel-jones/
We already discussed this. This is old news.
Where? You know full well the search feature on this site isn't worth a damn. You feel free to combine thread as long as the thread title is relevant. I don't want my thread getting lost amongst the whining.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 14, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
I still think its premature to say DJ is definitely our next franchise QB. Year 1 was a solid rookie campaign. We must see a lot of improvement year 2 though, especially turnovers and awareness. If you don't think he's the franchise QB, I'll see you when his contract is up for renewal, because he will be getting a second big contract. I didn't say he couldn't be, I said he will need to clean up some stuff before he is crowned that. Just like Murray, Minshew, Haskins could all be franchise QBs.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2020 15:53:00 GMT -5
DJ has two things to clean up.....Pocket awareness......and the speed of his reads...
Other than that, you can't teach that kind of accuracy or toughness.....I think he has more upside than Eli from a physical standpoint and it isn't even close.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 14, 2020 16:17:03 GMT -5
Prob wont get the credit just like mcadoo on wanting malhomes. The fans are as bad as the fo at times. You guys keep harping on McAdoo wanting Mahomes, but the Giants were never in position to draft him. Mahomes was taken like 15 picks before the Giants pick and would have had to at last match KC's trade offer, which included a 2018 1st rounder that, for the Giants, ended up being a top 5 pick (who knows how that changes with a rookie Mahomes on the team). Obviously hindsight with Mahomes being what he has become shows it was a good trade for KC, but who know if he becomes what he did under McAdoo's offense as opposed to Andy Reid's offense. There are lots of players every year that teams like that they never get the chance to draft.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 14, 2020 16:21:52 GMT -5
I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way MacAdoo wanted Mahomes... should they have kept him because of that? I thought McAdoo was a good evaluator of talent. If we listened to him I think the Giants would be better off today.
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