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Post by Jomo on Jan 14, 2020 20:42:18 GMT -5
I really get agitated when I see Garrett's name resurface. (I am hoping it is just his agent trying to get traction for his client) He did less with more than any coach I can remember. One of the best OLs in the league for 4 years plus Dak, plus Zeke, plus Amari for two years, plus Whitten. All of that and spit to show for it.
All the talk about Judge is that he likes guys who take max advantage of what a guy does well. I have seen none of that from Garrett. If he does become our OC, all the positive narrative on our new coach will go up in smoke for me.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 14, 2020 20:50:04 GMT -5
I really get agitated when I see Garrett's name resurface. (I am hoping it is just his agent trying to get traction for his client) He did less with more than any coach I can remember. One of the best OLs in the league for 4 years plus Dak, plus Zeke, plus Amari for two years, plus Whitten. All of that and spit to show for it. All the talk about Judge is that he likes guys who take max advantage of what a guy does well. I have seen none of that from Garrett. If he does become our OC, all the positive narrative on our new coach will go up in smoke for me. Moreso with Shula(look at McCaffrey and Samuels before and after Slula was let go there )
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 14, 2020 20:53:18 GMT -5
They interviewed Shula on Monday. I don't know the inner workings of the team but if he worked with Jones (Jones said he did) then he did a good job. I don't feel like he had much to do with the offense but who knows.
One thing is clear we are swinging for the fences with these coaching hires. No re-treads. No "known names". Joe Judge is building his staff with the people he wants. All of them have had connections to him in the past or were good coaches here last year.
It was also reported early on that Chad O'Shea was talking to Judge about an unknown position on the staff, likely OC. Can we really build a team with the OC and DC of the horrible Miami Dolphins?
Bill Callahan is out there and I want him in here for his work with the OL. He is possibly the best OL coach option out there as far as I know. Not sure he would make a good OC. He was the OC for the Cowboys in 2014 when they had a great year. He knows the OL and he knows running the football.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 14, 2020 21:02:18 GMT -5
As for the OC not being hired and the QB coach being hired, I think it is clear that Judge wants Schulpinski to groom Jones and thinks he can. He will have an OC to run the offense that will fit his vision. So if the QB coach and OC both fit his vision it doesn't really matter what order he hires them.
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Jan 14, 2020 21:12:41 GMT -5
Shula’s experience (HC exp as well) and work with Jones is what will keep him in the job.
It’s very bland in my opinion, but he’s not the absolute worst option.
What sort of offense does he run? In Carolina he would’ve had to tailor a lot to Cam’s strengths. He won MVP with Shula, it could be interesting.
I’d like to see Jay Gruden though. Kitchens would make it interesting
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Post by Easy E on Jan 14, 2020 21:21:37 GMT -5
I think it is Shula. I found it odd that he hired an QB coach without hiring an OC first. Than I realized Shula is still on the staff. Not that I want Shula . I don't want Shula either but maybe we don't even know his abilities because Shurmur didn't ever hand off play calling or say much about him. I'm praying it's Brady from LSU, some fresh eyes with a fresh guy getting his break. Brady to the Panthers
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 14, 2020 21:56:45 GMT -5
I don't want Shula either but maybe we don't even know his abilities because Shurmur didn't ever hand off play calling or say much about him. I'm praying it's Brady from LSU, some fresh eyes with a fresh guy getting his break. Brady to the Panthers I was hoping he'd come here. I wonder if they move up for a QB?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 14, 2020 22:00:20 GMT -5
Brady to the Panthers I was hoping he'd come here. I wonder if they move up for a QB? Probably bank on it
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 14, 2020 22:03:11 GMT -5
I was hoping he'd come here. I wonder if they move up for a QB? Probably bank on it Do they even have a GM?
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Post by giants38 on Jan 14, 2020 23:14:10 GMT -5
I'd prefer to see a fresh candidate at OC. Shula does not impress me. While he didn't actually call plays, he was deeply involved in creating them, and setting up game plans. We need to move on. That really is the issue. No one knows exactly what Shula's responsibility was.
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Post by giants38 on Jan 14, 2020 23:18:28 GMT -5
They interviewed Shula on Monday. I don't know the inner workings of the team but if he worked with Jones (Jones said he did) then he did a good job. I don't feel like he had much to do with the offense but who knows. One thing is clear we are swinging for the fences with these coaching hires. No re-treads. No "known names". Joe Judge is building his staff with the people he wants. All of them have had connections to him in the past or were good coaches here last year. It was also reported early on that Chad O'Shea was talking to Judge about an unknown position on the staff, likely OC. Can we really build a team with the OC and DC of the horrible Miami Dolphins? Bill Callahan is out there and I want him in here for his work with the OL. He is possibly the best OL coach option out there as far as I know. Not sure he would make a good OC. He was the OC for the Cowboys in 2014 when they had a great year. He knows the OL and he knows running the football. I would have hired Callahan first.
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Post by giantspride4life on Jan 14, 2020 23:22:16 GMT -5
The more I read into it the more i want gruden as OC. Also the more I read into it, the more I believe there is no shot it happens .. I think he would really be the best option to get the most out of Jones. But I have no choice but to trust judge and wait and see. I do believe in JJ
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 14, 2020 23:59:07 GMT -5
I was hoping he'd come here. I wonder if they move up for a QB? Probably bank on it I wonder if Burrow pulls an Elway or Eli . Tepper, probably overpaid for Brady. Luke Kueckly just announce his retirement 28 yrs old .
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 15, 2020 2:02:14 GMT -5
I wonder if Burrow pulls an Elway or Eli . Tepper, probably overpaid for Brady. Luke Kueckly just announce his retirement 28 yrs old . Isn't Burrow from southern Ohio? Looks like a perfect fit to me.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 5:34:38 GMT -5
Joe Brady from LSU is going to Carolina with Matt Rhule like it was reported he’d do if we signed him. I know it wasn’t a likely option after we didn’t sign Judge, but we can scratch that name off the list for offensive staff or OC If Cam leaves, I don’t see that as a great OC job.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 5:37:18 GMT -5
As for the OC not being hired and the QB coach being hired, I think it is clear that Judge wants Schulpinski to groom Jones and thinks he can. He will have an OC to run the offense that will fit his vision. So if the QB coach and OC both fit his vision it doesn't really matter what order he hires them. He’s also already hired the WR coach.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 5:39:16 GMT -5
The thing I wonder is if he is going to keep Shula, why hasn’t he done it already?
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Post by hadenough on Jan 15, 2020 6:07:17 GMT -5
Shula has been nothing but average to below average everywhere he’s been. His time in Alabama was bad. In Jacksonville the offenses got worse. He had one good year in Carolina with the rest bland and average. And his time with the Giants were nothing but bland.
That’s what he is.
It’d be a bad hire.
If Shula is the only guy that can develop Jones...then something is wrong with Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 6:17:42 GMT -5
Shula does not inspire. He has the personality of asparagus. Get us an offensive guru with imagination and a killer instinct to punish defenses and entertain me.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 8:31:27 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 8:41:29 GMT -5
So, obviously our OC is playing a game on Sunday otherwise we would have one already.
So who do you bet it is?
Eric Bieniemy? (OC/Assistant Coach) Authur Smith? Jon Embree?
Or were we waiting for Garrett to be available and find out today?
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Post by hadenough on Jan 15, 2020 8:46:50 GMT -5
So, obviously our OC is playing a game on Sunday otherwise we would have one already. So who do you bet it is? Eric Bieniemy? (OC/Assistant Coach) Authur Smith? Jon Embree? Or were we waiting for Garrett to be available and find out today? Is there any guy that’s an OC/QB that was with the Patriots before?
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 15, 2020 8:51:07 GMT -5
I was hoping he'd come here. I wonder if they move up for a QB? Probably bank on it All 3 teams picking after us need a QB. I think it's highly likely one of those 3 teams trades up to #4 for Tua, Herbert, Easley, etc. In my opinion, unless Washington or Detroit decides to trade down allowing one of the "unicorns" to fall in our lap, trading down this year is without a doubt our best option in my opinion.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 15, 2020 8:51:56 GMT -5
So, obviously our OC is playing a game on Sunday otherwise we would have one already. So who do you bet it is? Eric Bieniemy? (OC/Assistant Coach) Authur Smith? Jon Embree? Or were we waiting for Garrett to be available and find out today? How could NYG snag Bieniemy(Yes, I would like it) as the OC--wouldn't that be a lateral move? Can they actually have TWO assistant head coaches? (hey, whatever gets him in the door)
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 8:58:09 GMT -5
So, obviously our OC is playing a game on Sunday otherwise we would have one already. So who do you bet it is? Eric Bieniemy? (OC/Assistant Coach) Authur Smith? Jon Embree? Or were we waiting for Garrett to be available and find out today? How could NYG snag Bieniemy(Yes, I would like it) as the OC--wouldn't that be a lateral move? Can they actually have TWO assistant head coaches? (hey, whatever gets him in the door) Why not 2 assistant HCs? Its a made up title to circumnavigate the lateral rule anyways. Sure its a higher pay grade but really, Graham isnt going to do much assisting of Judge more than any other DC to their HC I dont think. And if so, there is no rule you cant bring in 2 assistant HCs.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 9:01:40 GMT -5
All 3 teams picking after us need a QB. I think it's highly likely one of those 3 teams trades up to #4 for Tua, Herbert, Easley, etc. In my opinion, unless Washington or Detroit decides to trade down allowing one of the "unicorns" to fall in our lap, trading down this year is without a doubt our best option in my opinion. 1 thing to consider is, Gettleman didnt trade back in 2018 when he had a perfect opportunity to do so and kick start the rebuild. In fact, DG has NEVER traded back in the 1st round as a GM. I think he just falls in love too much with players.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 15, 2020 9:02:15 GMT -5
So, obviously our OC is playing a game on Sunday otherwise we would have one already. So who do you bet it is? Eric Bieniemy? (OC/Assistant Coach) Authur Smith? Jon Embree? Or were we waiting for Garrett to be available and find out today? Why would Bieniemy come here for a lateral move?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 9:03:46 GMT -5
So, obviously our OC is playing a game on Sunday otherwise we would have one already. So who do you bet it is? Eric Bieniemy? (OC/Assistant Coach) Authur Smith? Jon Embree? Or were we waiting for Garrett to be available and find out today? Why would Bieniemy come here for a lateral move? OC/assistant HC like we just did Graham. Bieniemy isnt getting any HC love as an OC in KC maybe due to being under Andy Reid. If he came here and sparked this offense in a new environment, maybe he gets a lot more serious HC looks. ITs a long shot I know.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 9:47:22 GMT -5
All 3 teams picking after us need a QB. I think it's highly likely one of those 3 teams trades up to #4 for Tua, Herbert, Easley, etc. In my opinion, unless Washington or Detroit decides to trade down allowing one of the "unicorns" to fall in our lap, trading down this year is without a doubt our best option in my opinion. 1 thing to consider is, Gettleman didnt trade back in 2018 when he had a perfect opportunity to do so and kick start the rebuild. In fact, DG has NEVER traded back in the 1st round as a GM. I think he just falls in love too much with players. The Pats trade back all the time (although they are never drafting in the top 10 like we do every year) ... maybe Judge pushes that philosophy?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 9:54:28 GMT -5
1 thing to consider is, Gettleman didnt trade back in 2018 when he had a perfect opportunity to do so and kick start the rebuild. In fact, DG has NEVER traded back in the 1st round as a GM. I think he just falls in love too much with players. The Pats trade back all the time (although they are never drafting in the top 10 like we do every year) ... maybe Judge pushes that philosophy? I doubt Judge has the power to make such a bold decision like that. He might be able to persuade a player pick, maybe, but not trade back or forward. I do believe that is all on the GM. (Correct me if I'm wrong though)
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