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Post by soflo on Jan 14, 2020 23:08:19 GMT -5
Just read that being promoted to assistant head coach in addition to coordinator basically just means making more money. Assistant head coach also opens the possibility that graham could interview for a future head coaching job provided that his defense is successful here. All in all not strange that he made what appears on the surface to be a lateral move. Flores was very close to graham and prob wasn’t going to deny him those opportunities.
Being suspicious of this lateral move is just people not knowing the circumstances. That should explain his reasons for coming.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 6:14:08 GMT -5
Seems like Miami could have elevated his title too if they wanted to hold on to him though, especially if Flores was very close to Graham. Graham could interview for a future HC job without this title move by the way.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 15, 2020 9:47:42 GMT -5
Seems like Miami could have elevated his title too if they wanted to hold on to him though, especially if Flores was very close to Graham. Graham could interview for a future HC job without this title move by the way. Flores called the defense supposedly maybe he won't anymore. So maybe that is why him being in charge of his own defense is an elevation alone.
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 15, 2020 14:27:53 GMT -5
Title has nothing to do with this move. As far as the NFL is concerned there are only two types of coaches, HCs and Assistants. This is strictly a lateral move that Miami did not block. Why? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 16, 2020 5:53:41 GMT -5
Seems like Miami could have elevated his title too if they wanted to hold on to him though, especially if Flores was very close to Graham. Graham could interview for a future HC job without this title move by the way. If Miami wanted Graham they would not have let him interview, he was under contract.
There are only two possible reasons for allowing this. 1) Someone in Miami (owners, HC, GM ect) didn't want Graham there anymore or 2) Flores, who likes Graham, knows that it is tougher for an OC/DC that doesn't call his own plays to get a HC gig so he let Graham take the NY job knowing it'll help him in the long run.
I don't think 1) is true since they didn't fire any other coaches, I'm not sure why they would want to get rid of only Graham.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 16, 2020 7:19:13 GMT -5
Seems like Miami could have elevated his title too if they wanted to hold on to him though, especially if Flores was very close to Graham. Graham could interview for a future HC job without this title move by the way. If Miami wanted Graham they would not have let him interview, he was under contract.
There are only two possible reasons for allowing this. 1) Someone in Miami (owners, HC, GM ect) didn't want Graham there anymore or 2) Flores, who likes Graham, knows that it is tougher for an OC/DC that doesn't call his own plays to get a HC gig so he let Graham take the NY job knowing it'll help him in the long run.
I don't think 1) is true since they didn't fire any other coaches, I'm not sure why they would want to get rid of only Graham.
I really hate the fact this will be his first time calling defensive plays. Its such a gamble here. Especially after the Bettcher debacle.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 16, 2020 19:17:49 GMT -5
If Miami wanted Graham they would not have let him interview, he was under contract.
There are only two possible reasons for allowing this. 1) Someone in Miami (owners, HC, GM ect) didn't want Graham there anymore or 2) Flores, who likes Graham, knows that it is tougher for an OC/DC that doesn't call his own plays to get a HC gig so he let Graham take the NY job knowing it'll help him in the long run.
I don't think 1) is true since they didn't fire any other coaches, I'm not sure why they would want to get rid of only Graham.
I really hate the fact this will be his first time calling defensive plays. Its such a gamble here. Especially after the Bettcher debacle. This entire thing is a gamble lol. It really is crazy how this is coming together, but Judge is certainly sticking to his word and hiring the guys he thinks will fit his system.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 16, 2020 19:23:07 GMT -5
I really hate the fact this will be his first time calling defensive plays. Its such a gamble here. Especially after the Bettcher debacle. This entire thing is a gamble lol. It really is crazy how this is coming together, but Judge is certainly sticking to his word and hiring the guys he thinks will fit his system. So we think. If Garrett is hired I'm chalking that up to the hire powers that be, not Judge
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 16, 2020 19:30:19 GMT -5
This entire thing is a gamble lol. It really is crazy how this is coming together, but Judge is certainly sticking to his word and hiring the guys he thinks will fit his system. So we think. If Garrett is hired I'm chalking that up to the hire powers that be, not Judge Nah not me. He does not seem like the type to just make a hire as important as the OC just because the owners want someone. I also think they made the Judge hire with the idea that he will build it his way after the last two disasters. As for OCs Garrett really isn't the worst idea for many reasons, #1 being he was a very successful OC with a young Tony Romo, and had some of the best years for the Cowboys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 19:52:13 GMT -5
I really hate the fact this will be his first time calling defensive plays. Its such a gamble here. Especially after the Bettcher debacle. This entire thing is a gamble lol. It really is crazy how this is coming together, but Judge is certainly sticking to his word and hiring the guys he thinks will fit his system. It’s a gamble yes but to get some improvement say 8-8 will be a success. After the last 3 years I don’t think expectations are that high
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 17, 2020 8:51:14 GMT -5
This entire thing is a gamble lol. It really is crazy how this is coming together, but Judge is certainly sticking to his word and hiring the guys he thinks will fit his system. It’s a gamble yes but to get some improvement say 8-8 will be a success. After the last 3 years I don’t think expectations are that high I expect the playoffs every season. Of all the sports it seems the NFL is the easiest to be a terrible team then make the playoffs. Plus it's not like we are devoid of talent. Add a few pieces and the right staff and we can see huge improvement. This entire thing could implode in our faces too lol.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 17, 2020 8:52:44 GMT -5
It’s a gamble yes but to get some improvement say 8-8 will be a success. After the last 3 years I don’t think expectations are that high I expect the playoffs every season. Of all the sports it seems the NFL is the easiest to be a terrible team then make the playoffs. Plus it's not like we are devoid of talent. Add a few pieces and the right staff and we can see huge improvement. This entire thing could implode in our faces too lol. You expected playoffs this past year? And the year before?
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 17, 2020 9:07:02 GMT -5
I expect the playoffs every season. Of all the sports it seems the NFL is the easiest to be a terrible team then make the playoffs. Plus it's not like we are devoid of talent. Add a few pieces and the right staff and we can see huge improvement. This entire thing could implode in our faces too lol. You expected playoffs this past year? And the year before? Yes. If I didn't expect us to be good why on earth would I watch football. Football is such a close sport that teams that stink one year are terrific the next. The 49ers were 4-12 last year (won 12 games in 3 seasons), 13-3 this year and might win the Super Bowl. This happens all the time. Might as well think positive until we prove we are bad. I still watch once we are proven bad but it's more to see certain players.
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 20, 2020 22:29:01 GMT -5
Wasn't the new qb coach from the dolphins as well? It looks to me like he had a lateral move as well
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Post by jaymas on Jan 20, 2020 22:42:11 GMT -5
Wasn't the new qb coach from the dolphins as well? It looks to me like he had a lateral move as well Assistant QB coach to QB coach. The dolphins still could have blocked that, but most teams let coaches progress. It was bizarre the Vikings blocked Stefanski in 2018 from being our offensive coordinator and then kept him as the QB coach until they fired Filippio.
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 21, 2020 8:41:19 GMT -5
Wasn't the new qb coach from the dolphins as well? It looks to me like he had a lateral move as well Assistant QB coach to QB coach. The dolphins still could have blocked that, but most teams let coaches progress. It was bizarre the Vikings blocked Stefanski in 2018 from being our offensive coordinator and then kept him as the QB coach until they fired Filippio. Thanks. So you can block a Assistant QB coach becoming a QB coach on another team, but you can not block a DC becoming a DC and Assistant HC? Just trying to understand the "politics" or whatever on how Graham and Jerry Schuplinski were able to come over. Did the Dolphins not want to block the move bc they want their guys to get promoted or whatever.
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Post by jmike on Jan 21, 2020 9:16:14 GMT -5
Assistant QB coach to QB coach. The dolphins still could have blocked that, but most teams let coaches progress. It was bizarre the Vikings blocked Stefanski in 2018 from being our offensive coordinator and then kept him as the QB coach until they fired Filippio. Thanks. So you can block a Assistant QB coach becoming a QB coach on another team, but you can not block a DC becoming a DC and Assistant HC? Just trying to understand the "politics" or whatever on how Graham and Jerry Schuplinski were able to come over. Did the Dolphins not want to block the move bc they want their guys to get promoted or whatever. You can block a coach from any other coaching job if he is under contract unless it is for Head coach, that is the only exception. Some teams will, some won't. It is not usual for a team to block a position coach from interviewing for a Coordinators position. It is fairly common to block lateral moves though. If a coordinator is working for a HC that calls the plays, more often that lateral move will not be blocked. Though it is all situational. What the Cowboys did with Callahan was odd though, they took away his play calling and then blocked him from interviewing elsewhere. That is unusual because it is common sense. You now have a coach that is not happy with the reduction of responsibility and are forcing him to stay where he isn't happy. Never a good idea to keep a disgruntled person in the building if they want to go regardless of what business you are in.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 21, 2020 12:12:01 GMT -5
Assistant QB coach to QB coach. The dolphins still could have blocked that, but most teams let coaches progress. It was bizarre the Vikings blocked Stefanski in 2018 from being our offensive coordinator and then kept him as the QB coach until they fired Filippio. Thanks. So you can block a Assistant QB coach becoming a QB coach on another team, but you can not block a DC becoming a DC and Assistant HC? Just trying to understand the "politics" or whatever on how Graham and Jerry Schuplinski were able to come over. Did the Dolphins not want to block the move bc they want their guys to get promoted or whatever. You could technically block a position coach from becoming a coordinator. It's very strange. Only the jump from assistant to head is an unlockable interview.
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 21, 2020 13:41:45 GMT -5
Assistant QB coach to QB coach. The dolphins still could have blocked that, but most teams let coaches progress. It was bizarre the Vikings blocked Stefanski in 2018 from being our offensive coordinator and then kept him as the QB coach until they fired Filippio. Thanks. So you can block a Assistant QB coach becoming a QB coach on another team, but you can not block a DC becoming a DC and Assistant HC? Just trying to understand the "politics" or whatever on how Graham and Jerry Schuplinski were able to come over. Did the Dolphins not want to block the move bc they want their guys to get promoted or whatever. this is the best article I can find to explain the NFL tampering rules www.windycitygridiron.com/2010/1/14/1249310/rules-pertaining-to-hiring-nfl
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