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Post by soflo on Jan 15, 2020 10:55:44 GMT -5
Now that Keuchly announced his retirement, how likely are the Panthers to seek a trade with Detroit to pick Isiah Simmons ahead of us?
Seems like that's the only spot we have to worry about with Burrow and Young being absolute locks for the first two picks.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 11:01:39 GMT -5
Simmons is not worth a 4th round pick
Way too much boom or bust and not to mention he will get trucked by Zeke regularly...
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Post by soflo on Jan 15, 2020 11:08:06 GMT -5
Simmons is not worth a 4th round pick Way too much boom or bust and not to mention he will get trucked by Zeke regularly... He's a hybrid player, though. They could use him the same way they used Dion Grant. Fewell's 3 safety combo basically masked their weakness at LB in 2011. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 11:09:05 GMT -5
Simmons is not worth a 4th round pick Way too much boom or bust and not to mention he will get trucked by Zeke regularly... He's a hybrid player, though. They could use him the same way they used Dion Grant. Fewell's 3 safety combo basically masked their weakness at LB in 2011. You don't take a player like this at 4 where you have no real idea how to use him Too high risk boom or bust for a top 5 pick |
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Post by soflo on Jan 15, 2020 11:15:35 GMT -5
He's a hybrid player, though. They could use him the same way they used Dion Grant. Fewell's 3 safety combo basically masked their weakness at LB in 2011. You don't take a player like this at 4 where you have no real idea how to use him Too high risk boom or bust for a top 5 pick I would imagine he'll be studied and profiled by Judge and Graham in the months leading up to the draft. Isn't the point of "putting pressure on the opponent to have to prepare for multiple schemes" the very definition of having personnel with no specifically defined use? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 11:18:42 GMT -5
You don't take a player like this at 4 where you have no real idea how to use him Too high risk boom or bust for a top 5 pick I would imagine he'll be studied and profiled by Judge and Graham in the months leading up to the draft. Isn't the point of "putting pressure on the opponent to have to prepare for multiple schemes" the very definition of having personnel with no specifically defined use? Which isnt a help if we don't know how to use him Nevermind I've seen too much bad (running himself out of position causing big plays against..ie..the playoffs,not being able to get off of blocks)to offset the OMG plays he makes.. Reminds me too much of a smaller Lavar Aarington who also was like this to take at 4 |
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Post by soflo on Jan 15, 2020 11:22:01 GMT -5
I would imagine he'll be studied and profiled by Judge and Graham in the months leading up to the draft. Isn't the point of "putting pressure on the opponent to have to prepare for multiple schemes" the very definition of having personnel with no specifically defined use? Which isnt a help if we don't know how to use him Nevermind I've seen too much bad (running himself out of position causing big plays against..ie..the playoffs,not being able to get off of blocks)to offset the OMG plays he makes.. Reminds me too much of a smaller Lavar Aarington who also was like this to take at 4 Well, hopefully they know what to do. Something of note: Myles Jack is 5 lbs lighter and Dion Jones is 10 lbs lighter. Neither of them would get trucked by zeke. But the big concern here, regardless of who the Giants target, is that third spot and whether the Lions are open to trading it. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 15, 2020 11:28:47 GMT -5
To move up 4 spots Detroit will ask for a king ransom. If I’m Carolina I’m standing pat and letting the draft come to me. I think Simmons depending on what we do will be there at 7.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 11:53:07 GMT -5
To move up 4 spots Detroit will ask for a kind ransom. If I’m Carolina I’m standing pat and letting the draft come to me. I think Simmons depending on what we do will be there at 7. You don't trade the farm for this guy,who is too high risk for a top 5 pick to begin with. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 11:59:27 GMT -5
That would be awesome. I love Simmons but if he goes 3 I am smiling about it.
My worry is someone jumping us for Thomas. Cards could use a LT. So could the Chargers if they go FA QB.
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Post by finngiant on Jan 15, 2020 12:10:09 GMT -5
I want us to get Thomas and if we think we can make post season next year then get pass rush help from free agency.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 12:12:49 GMT -5
That would be awesome. I love Simmons but if he goes 3 I am smiling about it. My worry is someone jumping us for Thomas. Cards could use a LT. So could the Chargers if they go FA QB. I doubt that someone will use the draft capital required to move up to 3, unless it is for a QB.
My concern is that a QB needy team does a deal with Detroit instead of us.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 15, 2020 12:17:49 GMT -5
That would be awesome. I love Simmons but if he goes 3 I am smiling about it. My worry is someone jumping us for Thomas. Cards could use a LT. So could the Chargers if they go FA QB. I doubt that someone will use the draft capital required to move up for 3, unless it is for a QB.
My concern is that a QB needy team does a deal with Detroit instead of us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 12:27:33 GMT -5
Nobody is trading up for Simmons...
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 12:37:55 GMT -5
Nobody is trading up for Simmons... Or Thomas |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 15, 2020 12:40:59 GMT -5
To me, if Young is not there (and I don't expect him to be) I'd take Thomas or Wirfs at 4.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 12:44:15 GMT -5
To me, if Young is not there (and I don't expect him to be) I'd take Thomas or Wirfs at 4. we.could probably trade back 2 spots and get either of these guys and be very happy |
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 15, 2020 16:34:40 GMT -5
I just watched a PFF mock draft, they had it going
1. Burrow
2. Chase Young
3. Okudah
4. Cee Dee Lamb
I do really like Lamb but OMG this would cause a riot.
I like Simmons, but if someone top 3 takes him....thats not a problem thats an opportunity for someone else.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 16:50:20 GMT -5
I just watched a PFF mock draft, they had it going 1. Burrow 2. Chase Young 3. Okudah 4. Cee Dee Lamb I do really like Lamb but OMG this would cause a riot. I like Simmons, but if someone top 3 takes him....thats not a problem thats an opportunity for someone else. I would be stunned if we took Cee Dee Lamb at 4. Stunned. |
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Post by Nite on Jan 15, 2020 17:24:37 GMT -5
I just watched a PFF mock draft, they had it going 1. Burrow 2. Chase Young 3. Okudah 4. Cee Dee Lamb I do really like Lamb but OMG this would cause a riot. I like Simmons, but if someone top 3 takes him....thats not a problem thats an opportunity for someone else. I would be stunned if we took Cee Dee Lamb at 4. Stunned. Thats a Jerry Reese move...
We need OL or a dynamic DE or LB..
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Post by TEM on Jan 15, 2020 17:48:21 GMT -5
Now that Keuchly announced his retirement, how likely are the Panthers to seek a trade with Detroit to pick Isiah Simmons ahead of us? Seems like that's the only spot we have to worry about with Burrow and Young being absolute locks for the first two picks. Who moves up to the top of the draft for an ILB? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 17:49:27 GMT -5
I just watched a PFF mock draft, they had it going 1. Burrow 2. Chase Young 3. Okudah 4. Cee Dee Lamb I do really like Lamb but OMG this would cause a riot. I like Simmons, but if someone top 3 takes him....thats not a problem thats an opportunity for someone else. I would be stunned if we took Cee Dee Lamb at 4. Stunned. I'd be ecstatic with Lamb as he is probably my favorite player in the draft If we traded back and collected a bunch of high picks this year and next year,not at 4 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 22:06:12 GMT -5
I just watched a PFF mock draft, they had it going 1. Burrow 2. Chase Young 3. Okudah 4. Cee Dee Lamb I do really like Lamb but OMG this would cause a riot. I like Simmons, but if someone top 3 takes him....thats not a problem thats an opportunity for someone else.  This is Gettleman, so we never know. DT, a WR...yeah, Gettleman...I can see this. Gettleman now frightens me .... especially if he blames Shurmur for his taking Barkley at 2...cause he suggested taking a QB the following year, a QB named Jones. Then fires the QB whispering coach  Giants need to trade back...they needed to do that when Barkley was taken, idiocy...and now more than ever...this is TOO deep a WR class to take Lamb at 5. |
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Post by mj312 on Jan 15, 2020 22:16:59 GMT -5
He's a hybrid player, though. They could use him the same way they used Dion Grant. Fewell's 3 safety combo basically masked their weakness at LB in 2011. You don't take a player like this at 4 where you have no real idea how to use him Too high risk boom or bust for a top 5 pick Sure u do ! He's one of the most talented defenders in this draft and can play 3 different positions and actually cover a tight end .. U figure out how to use him . |
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Post by redeyejedi on Jan 15, 2020 22:23:25 GMT -5
Now that Keuchly announced his retirement, how likely are the Panthers to seek a trade with Detroit to pick Isiah Simmons ahead of us? Seems like that's the only spot we have to worry about with Burrow and Young being absolute locks for the first two picks. Inside Linebackers do not provide the impact needed from that high of a pick |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 22:41:02 GMT -5
Now that Keuchly announced his retirement, how likely are the Panthers to seek a trade with Detroit to pick Isiah Simmons ahead of us? Seems like that's the only spot we have to worry about with Burrow and Young being absolute locks for the first two picks. Inside Linebackers do not provide the impact needed from that high of a pick The thirst is real around here with people wanting to reach for an inside linebacker |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2020 22:44:37 GMT -5
Now that Keuchly announced his retirement, how likely are the Panthers to seek a trade with Detroit to pick Isiah Simmons ahead of us? Seems like that's the only spot we have to worry about with Burrow and Young being absolute locks for the first two picks. Who moves up to the top of the draft for an ILB? The same ones that want us to reach for a tweener at 4 |
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Post by weekendwarrior on Jan 16, 2020 6:45:03 GMT -5
If anyone jumps the giants for a non qb, that would be amazing. That would mean, tua and herbert would be on the board and the giants could leverage three qb desperate teams into a kings ransom to move down 1 to 3 spots. And still get a top flight talent
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 7:46:06 GMT -5
Who moves up to the top of the draft for an ILB? The same ones that want us to reach for a tweener at 4 I wasn't talking about fans. They will come up with any cockamamie idea and believe it would be done. I am talking about a GM, owner who would spend that kind of draft capital top move up for a middle line backer? There is a big difference between having a pick that allows you to take a ILB at the top of the draft and expend draft capital to move within the top 5 picks to do so. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2020 10:27:24 GMT -5
If anyone jumps the giants for a non qb, that would be amazing. That would mean, tua and herbert would be on the board and the giants could leverage three qb desperate teams into a kings ransom to move down 1 to 3 spots. And still get a top flight talent Never underestimate a completely inept front office(people bitch about us but we have never made this mistake)to do this The browns getting an extra 1st round pick in 2015 from Buffalo to move back 4 spots to get Sammy Wa5kins(and pass on Evans and Beckham).... |
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