|
Post by jaymas on Jan 15, 2020 16:22:09 GMT -5
will this be uncomfortable for Jude is an experienced HC is on his staff? Just a thought. I believe that any first time HC should have one if not multiple former head coaches on his staff Agreed. Don't overdo it, but having a guy is good. And you could do worse than Garrett. He has actually won in this league.
|
|
|
Post by snyder55 on Jan 15, 2020 16:38:33 GMT -5
I think any coach who can work for Jerry Jones for 8 years is a proven combat veteran.
|
|
|
Post by Jomo on Jan 15, 2020 16:44:08 GMT -5
It would totally blow up the narrative that Judge likes coaches with nimble minds who know how to take max advantage of what skills a player has rather than forcing them into a system.
Garrett had the best (or one of them) OL in football for 4 years, a quality QB, a top 5 running back, a legendary TE and an outstanding wide receiver in Amari Cooper the past two years. ….. and he still couldn't deliver a consistent offense. It was either in how he utilized talent, prepared for opponents or adjusted mid game, or all of the above. Either way, this would be a really bad choice that deviates from the "new direction" theme we have been fed.
|
|
|
Post by snyder55 on Jan 15, 2020 16:52:23 GMT -5
I really have no big issue with hiring Garrett but the fact that he has had a decent team for 8 years and never made it to the big dance is cause for concern..
|
|
|
Post by Fletch842 on Jan 15, 2020 16:59:32 GMT -5
It would totally blow up the narrative that Judge likes coaches with nimble minds who know how to take max advantage of what skills a player has rather than forcing them into a system. Garrett had the best (or one of them) OL in football for 4 years, a quality QB, a top 5 running back, a legendary TE and an outstanding wide receiver in Amari Cooper the past two years. ….. and he still couldn't deliver a consistent offense. It was either in how he utilized talent, prepared for opponents or adjusted mid game, or all of the above. Either way, this would be a really bad choice that deviates from the "new direction" theme we have been fed. exactly, he's one of my lowest choices for the position.
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jan 15, 2020 17:05:25 GMT -5
It would totally blow up the narrative that Judge likes coaches with nimble minds who know how to take max advantage of what skills a player has rather than forcing them into a system. Garrett had the best (or one of them) OL in football for 4 years, a quality QB, a top 5 running back, a legendary TE and an outstanding wide receiver in Amari Cooper the past two years. ….. and he still couldn't deliver a consistent offense. It was either in how he utilized talent, prepared for opponents or adjusted mid game, or all of the above. Either way, this would be a really bad choice that deviates from the "new direction" theme we have been fed. Well he took a 4th round QB and made an excellent QB out of him.
And weren't they the #1 ranked offense in the NFL this year?
|
|
giantsalmon
Starter
Came over from a defunct board. Formerly LakeO Giant fan
Posts: 3,899
|
Post by giantsalmon on Jan 15, 2020 17:09:03 GMT -5
It would totally blow up the narrative that Judge likes coaches with nimble minds who know how to take max advantage of what skills a player has rather than forcing them into a system. Garrett had the best (or one of them) OL in football for 4 years, a quality QB, a top 5 running back, a legendary TE and an outstanding wide receiver in Amari Cooper the past two years. ….. and he still couldn't deliver a consistent offense. It was either in how he utilized talent, prepared for opponents or adjusted mid game, or all of the above. Either way, this would be a really bad choice that deviates from the "new direction" theme we have been fed. I do completely understand this thinking but Shurmur, McDaniels, Kitchens, Caldwell, McAdoo, Jay Gruden, and I'm sure many others were fired as unsuccessful Head Coaches yet were considered good Offensive coaches prior. To top it off, I don't know how any coach could conduct business with an overbearing owner usurping his commander role. We could all see Garrett was a softie, perhaps when left to work Xs and Os he could be very effective. I do like the fact that we would have a mature former HC for Judge to bounce ideas off of strategy-wise, and of course any of the day to day organizational challenges. Remember, the vast majority on this board wanted a CEO type and that's what we now have at HC. Garrett can now function in his best role, as players buddies. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice a few weeks ago but many are now gone. Some names being tossed around are not attractive at all.
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 15, 2020 17:10:45 GMT -5
If you can't NOT beat em, join em
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 17:10:50 GMT -5
Jason Garrett would be a great pick for OC. He knows the NFC East, affection for the Mara family and would be a great experienced HC for Judge to rely on. NO LOSE PROPOSITION.
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 15, 2020 17:11:18 GMT -5
Would rather get Jay Gruden as OC and Callahan as OL Coach Gruden will end up with his brother eventually
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 17:11:36 GMT -5
Would be real embarrassing for Garrett if he doesn't get offered the job ....
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 15, 2020 17:13:38 GMT -5
Jason Garrett would be a great pick for OC. He knows the NFC East, affection for the Mara family and would be a great experienced HC for Judge to rely on. NO LOSE PROPOSITION. Guys are just upset that he coached the Cowboys....He had the number 1 offense this year and I would love the hear his input on rebuilding the Oline Also....The guy beat our franchise each game for the past 3 seasons. Nobody in this thread should be throwing stones in this glass house we've built.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 17:16:03 GMT -5
I believe that any first time HC should have one if not multiple former head coaches on his staff I think that more than one could create a "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem ... I think that one trusted lieutenant with HC experience is probably enough there's only one chef ... and a bunch of sous chefs but sous chefs with head chef experience are invaluable when the $#!t hits the fan
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jan 15, 2020 17:21:15 GMT -5
Jason Garrett would be a great pick for OC. He knows the NFC East, affection for the Mara family and would be a great experienced HC for Judge to rely on. NO LOSE PROPOSITION. Guys are just upset that he coached the Cowboys....He had the number 1 offense this year and I would love the hear his input on rebuilding the Oline Also....The guy beat our franchise each game for the past 3 seasons. Nobody in this thread should be throwing stones in this glass house we've built. Not only has he beaten us the last 6 games we've played, but he did it by an average of 14 points over those 6 games.
And for those who claim he's had a great O line....well maybe as HC he had something to do with how good they were.
|
|
|
Post by Fletch842 on Jan 15, 2020 17:24:17 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes, best news I've read. Callahan is the number one coach I want on this staff! He is a great Oline coach! If he could turn Flowers into a servicable player, then I am sure he can help this lot! Get him in here Judge! Getting Callahan as O Line coach would certainly make getting Garrett a bit more palatable.
|
|
giantsalmon
Starter
Came over from a defunct board. Formerly LakeO Giant fan
Posts: 3,899
|
Post by giantsalmon on Jan 15, 2020 17:26:43 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes, best news I've read. Callahan is the number one coach I want on this staff! He is a great Oline coach! If he could turn Flowers into a servicable player, then I am sure he can help this lot! Get him in here Judge! Getting Callahan as O Line coach would certainly make getting Garrett a bit more palatable. A bonus for sure.
|
|
giantsalmon
Starter
Came over from a defunct board. Formerly LakeO Giant fan
Posts: 3,899
|
Post by giantsalmon on Jan 15, 2020 17:29:23 GMT -5
It would totally blow up the narrative that Judge likes coaches with nimble minds who know how to take max advantage of what skills a player has rather than forcing them into a system. Garrett had the best (or one of them) OL in football for 4 years, a quality QB, a top 5 running back, a legendary TE and an outstanding wide receiver in Amari Cooper the past two years. ….. and he still couldn't deliver a consistent offense. It was either in how he utilized talent, prepared for opponents or adjusted mid game, or all of the above. Either way, this would be a really bad choice that deviates from the "new direction" theme we have been fed. Well he took a 4th round QB and made an excellent QB out of him.
And weren't they the #1 ranked offense in the NFL this year?
This point should not be taken lightly. Not only did he help build Prescotts confidence, a guy no one saw as a franchise guy at draft time, but he actually played the QB position in the NFL--both excellent considerations.
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Jan 15, 2020 17:58:00 GMT -5
I think Garrett's systems are stale. He has had stacked rosters on both sides of the ball and failed to put the stem on the apple. With that said.
He does bring some tangibles;
HC experience , As Morehead said , Helped bring a 3rd round Qb to an NFL level. Knows how to set up blocking schemas
All things this team needs.
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jan 15, 2020 18:00:43 GMT -5
I think Garrett's systems are stale. He has had stacked rosters on both sides of the ball and failed to put the stem on the apple. With that said. He does bring some tangibles; HC experience , As Morehead said , Helped bring a 3rd round Qb to an NFL level. Knows how to set up blocking schemas All things this team needs. First of all he is being interviewed as OC. The Cowboys problems were on defense this year.
As I said...Dallas had the #1 ranked offense in the league this year....not sure how "stale" that makes it.
And again...the skills to be a HC are different than those of an OC.
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Jan 15, 2020 18:06:42 GMT -5
I think Garrett's systems are stale. He has had stacked rosters on both sides of the ball and failed to put the stem on the apple. With that said. He does bring some tangibles; HC experience , As Morehead said , Helped bring a 3rd round Qb to an NFL level. Knows how to set up blocking schemas All things this team needs. First of all he is being interviewed as OC. The Cowboys problems were on defense this year.
As I said...Dallas had the #1 ranked offense in the league this year....not sure how "stale" that makes it.
And again...the skills to be a HC are different than those of an OC.
Like YA said having. A former HC on a first time HC's staff can be a useful point of reference. Even with him being just a OC. He has had stacked rosters on Offense as well as defense for multiple seasons and the team failed to meet expatiations . I am not against the hire. I think he would be an asset more than a liability for Judge.
|
|
|
Post by Dogecoin on Jan 15, 2020 18:29:04 GMT -5
He had a stacked a team and couldn't do anything with it. He displayed mediocre preparation and even worse adjustments during the game. His decision making was terrible and quality coaches like pederson were always a few steps ahead of him in playcalling. He would be a terrible OC handling playcalling. I can't believe they even interviewed him....only rationale is to pick his brain for competitive scouting on giants.
|
|
|
Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 15, 2020 18:44:01 GMT -5
Would be real embarrassing for Garrett if he doesn't get offered the job .... I think its possible they are convincing him to take the job and hc is his of judge doesnt work out. Could be off on this. But its my guess.
|
|
|
Post by Delicreep on Jan 15, 2020 18:47:38 GMT -5
Would be real embarrassing for Garrett if he doesn't get offered the job .... I think its possible they are convincing him to take the job and hc is his of judge doesnt work out. Could be off on this. But its my guess. So you think the FO is already talking about Judge failing and making plans for it...and they are willing to express this doubt to an subordinate of Judge?
|
|
|
Post by fishinthesalt on Jan 15, 2020 19:19:39 GMT -5
I think that more than one could create a "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem ... I think that one trusted lieutenant with HC experience is probably enough there's only one chef ... and a bunch of sous chefs but sous chefs with head chef experience are invaluable when the $#!t hits the fan Great point. Not my first choice, but I'm warming up to it.
|
|
|
Post by DandyDon on Jan 15, 2020 19:25:43 GMT -5
I think its possible they are convincing him to take the job and hc is his of judge doesnt work out. Could be off on this. But its my guess. So you think the FO is already talking about Judge failing and making plans for it...and they are willing to express this doubt to an subordinate of Judge? Right? Let's undermine our new HC to his employee right off the bat. The logic is amazing...
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 15, 2020 19:36:58 GMT -5
I think Garrett's systems are stale. He has had stacked rosters on both sides of the ball and failed to put the stem on the apple. With that said. He does bring some tangibles; HC experience , As Morehead said , Helped bring a 3rd round Qb to an NFL level. Knows how to set up blocking schemas All things this team needs. First of all he is being interviewed as OC. The Cowboys problems were on defense this year.
As I said...Dallas had the #1 ranked offense in the league this year....not sure how "stale" that makes it.
And again...the skills to be a HC are different than those of an OC.
I wish our offense was that "Stale" Having Garrett also allows us to steal Cowboys FA's....Especially on offense.
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 19:39:27 GMT -5
Would be real embarrassing for Garrett if he doesn't get offered the job .... I think its possible they are convincing him to take the job and hc is his of judge doesnt work out. Could be off on this. But its my guess. Yeah, there is zero chance that this is happening
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Jan 15, 2020 19:40:26 GMT -5
Sounds like he has left the building....
|
|
|
Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 15, 2020 20:06:42 GMT -5
I think Garrett's systems are stale. He has had stacked rosters on both sides of the ball and failed to put the stem on the apple. With that said. He does bring some tangibles; HC experience , As Morehead said , Helped bring a 3rd round Qb to an NFL level. Knows how to set up blocking schemas All things this team needs. I've begun to question how "stacked" those rosters have been. I understand they have had talent. But I just wonder how much of it is them truly being that talented and how much of it is Jerry Jones being the worlds greatest salesmen and talking up his product.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 20:35:30 GMT -5
Don’t want him. He was a crap QB and he’s a crap coach. We need better. We deserve much better after what we have been through. Very odd post. Odd? Hah! You want him... take him. I don’t wanna hear any bitching though.
|
|