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Post by IrishMike on Jan 16, 2020 6:05:45 GMT -5
As it turns out Leonard Williams was actually very good at rushing the passer this year, that skill just didn't show up in the sacks.
He was 13th of 87 interior DL in pressure rate and he was #1 IDL in QB hits (19). It is a huge risk giving up a 3rd for him on a contract year, but if we can sign him for a decent price he can certainly help this D produce more pressure on the QB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 7:00:57 GMT -5
As it turns out Leonard Williams was actually very good at rushing the passer this year, that skill just didn't show up in the sacks.
He was 13th of 87 interior DL in pressure rate and he was #1 IDL in QB hits (19). It is a huge risk giving up a 3rd for him on a contract year, but if we can sign him for a decent price he can certainly help this D produce more pressure on the QB.
How would you feel about going back to a 4-3?...and using Williams as a a 3 tech tackle? Lawrence was part of a famed 4 man front that won it all in Clemson...we can then go back to the basics ... we have lacked the linebackers on a 3-4 forever...we seem better suited to go 4-3...thoughts? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 7:03:31 GMT -5
If the Giants get a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing L. Collins, it won't hurt as much. Has anyone heard this info? I believe some beat writer mentioned this scenario. I'll try to find the info.
I get it, Williams is "solid" and "very good" -- my only concern is he want to be paid as "excellent and "exceptional." A top edge rusher will make the whole DL seem more lethal; let's hope Gettleman figures that out.
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Post by ctgiantsfan1 on Jan 16, 2020 7:15:24 GMT -5
I don't mind seeing Williams brought back if the contract is right. Definitely don't want DG to overpay for him. Too many other needs to fill on this roster.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 16, 2020 7:21:24 GMT -5
I think we all knew this for the most part. He is a pressure up the gut guy. Like Vernon, he gets to pressure the QB but wont get the sacks. Im good with that as a DT though. It just sucks we burned draft picks on him when he is a FA.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 16, 2020 7:27:13 GMT -5
I'm ok with resigning him. I'm guessing he's going to get a salary somewhere around 8 - 12th highest paid DL, which puts him in the 12 - 14 M category. Trust me, its a lot less then will take to sign Clowney or Ngakoue, and doesn't hurt us for next year's compensation calculation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 8:31:36 GMT -5
There is no getting back that 3rd rounder which blows.
As for signing him I feel there are way more pressing needs for this team so I hope they don't sign him.
As much as everyone wants to throw out that "as long as it's a team friendly contract" I just don't see that happening with a team that is this bad.
Maybe a contender can get this type of discount but the only thing that might help here is not having to move out of this very expensive area..
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Post by bluejayc on Jan 16, 2020 9:14:20 GMT -5
PFFFFFFFFWWWWWW.....shoulda coulda woulda "stats"......"Leonard Williams should have had a sack on this play but the grounds crew left some lumpy turf in place hence he tripped and fell flat on his face......we at PFF awarded him 20 points because he should have had a sack if not for the shoddy playing surface."
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 16, 2020 9:16:12 GMT -5
First time in my life has a player with 0.5 sacks on the season is regarded as a “solid” pass rusher.
The same credit he’s getting is the same thing fans were criticizing with Vernon. Generating pressure and actual sacks are two different things.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 9:19:45 GMT -5
First time in my life has a player with 0.5 sacks on the season is regarded as a “solid” pass rusher. The same credit he’s getting is the same thing fans were criticizing with Vernon. Generating pressure and actual sacks are two different things. If we can sign him for under 10 a year. 5 years 47.5 30 guaranteed . 15 singing bonus. It would be a good deal . |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2020 10:32:18 GMT -5
I'm ok with resigning him. I'm guessing he's going to get a salary somewhere around 8 - 12th highest paid DL, which puts him in the 12 - 14 M category. Trust me, its a lot less then will take to sign Clowney or Ngakoue, and doesn't hurt us for next year's compensation calculation. I thought he would get anywhere from 11-14 mill he is versatile can play from the 5 to the 1 and be disruptive from ay of those spots if Xman and or Carter get a little better it will help him. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2020 10:34:48 GMT -5
First time in my life has a player with 0.5 sacks on the season is regarded as a “solid” pass rusher. The same credit he’s getting is the same thing fans were criticizing with Vernon. Generating pressure and actual sacks are two different things. If we can sign him for under 10 a year. 5 years 47.5 30 guaranteed . 15 singing bonus. It would be a good deal . Won't happen would be happy if it did but won't he does a lot and gives a DC some real flexibility is young and doesn't miss games. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2020 10:35:04 GMT -5
I'm ok with resigning him. I'm guessing he's going to get a salary somewhere around 8 - 12th highest paid DL, which puts him in the 12 - 14 M category. Trust me, its a lot less then will take to sign Clowney or Ngakoue, and doesn't hurt us for next year's compensation calculation. Exactly for everything in here Interior pressure is very important as it often leads to sacks from the outside guys and bad throws. I would love to see a stat that shows our stats with the 3 man d line as opposed to when Betcher went stupid with a 2 man line.... Definitely bring him back(and Golden) |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 16, 2020 10:37:41 GMT -5
As it turns out Leonard Williams was actually very good at rushing the passer this year, that skill just didn't show up in the sacks.
He was 13th of 87 interior DL in pressure rate and he was #1 IDL in QB hits (19). It is a huge risk giving up a 3rd for him on a contract year, but if we can sign him for a decent price he can certainly help this D produce more pressure on the QB.
How would you feel about going back to a 4-3?...and using Williams as a a 3 tech tackle? Lawrence was part of a famed 4 man front that won it all in Clemson...we can then go back to the basics ... we have lacked the linebackers on a 3-4 forever...we seem better suited to go 4-3...thoughts? from what Judge and Graham said they wont get caught up in 4-3 vs 3-4. They want to be multiple and put the D in the right positions to battle the weaknesses of the opposition. The defensive back field is a bigger issue or at least as big. They were terrible most of the season as a unit |
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:37:48 GMT -5
If we can sign him for under 10 a year. 5 years 47.5 30 guaranteed . 15 singing bonus. It would be a good deal . Won't happen would be happy if it did but won't he does a lot and gives a DC some real flexibility is young and doesn't miss games. Most talking heads are saying between 8 and 9 a year. I do not think Dave is going to give him much more. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 16, 2020 10:39:49 GMT -5
First time in my life has a player with 0.5 sacks on the season is regarded as a “solid” pass rusher. The same credit he’s getting is the same thing fans were criticizing with Vernon. Generating pressure and actual sacks are two different things. If we can sign him for under 10 a year. 5 years 47.5 30 guaranteed . 15 singing bonus. It would be a good deal . thats a deal that satisfies the fans....  his worth in today's NFL is considerably more |
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:42:52 GMT -5
If we can sign him for under 10 a year. 5 years 47.5 30 guaranteed . 15 singing bonus. It would be a good deal . thats a deal that satisfies the fans.... his worth in today's NFL is considerably more According to who . That is not what I have been reading. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 16, 2020 10:51:55 GMT -5
Won't happen would be happy if it did but won't he does a lot and gives a DC some real flexibility is young and doesn't miss games. Most talking heeds are sayin between 8 and 9 a year. I do not think Dave is going to give him much more. If we can resign him in that salary range, it's a no brainer to me. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 16, 2020 10:53:17 GMT -5
thats a deal that satisfies the fans.... his worth in today's NFL is considerably more According to who . That is not what I have been reading. according to my uneducated guess and the nature of the NFL... It was an odd move by DG to begin with and Williams can probably get more with another team if the NYGs want to go "cheap" so to speak. Just a a guess on my part |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2020 10:54:01 GMT -5
Won't happen would be happy if it did but won't he does a lot and gives a DC some real flexibility is young and doesn't miss games. Most talking heeds are sayin between 8 and 9 a year. I do not think Dave is going to give him much more. For that I think he will end up in New England where he will be a stud they will no how to get the most out of him. They value versatility and he is good in the locker room and as a person. Has athletic ability and is top 5 against the run. Don't think he will go to a losing team for that kind of money. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 10:59:13 GMT -5
According to who . That is not what I have been reading. according to my uneducated guess and the nature of the NFL... It was an odd move by DG to begin with and Williams can probably get more with another team if the NYGs want to go "cheap" so to speak. Just a a guess on my part Everything I read is his value is under 10 a year Golden is a bit over. Who do you compare him with as far a value? |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 16, 2020 11:01:14 GMT -5
If the Giants get a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing L. Collins, it won't hurt as much. Has anyone heard this info? I believe some beat writer mentioned this scenario. I'll try to find the info. I get it, Williams is "solid" and "very good" -- my only concern is he want to be paid as "excellent and "exceptional." A top edge rusher will make the whole DL seem more lethal; let's hope Gettleman figures that out. I doubt we'll get anything for Collins. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 11:01:39 GMT -5
Most talking heeds are sayin between 8 and 9 a year. I do not think Dave is going to give him much more. If we can resign him in that salary range, it's a no brainer to me. Nothing I read states he is worth more than under 10 a year. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 11:02:04 GMT -5
If the Giants get a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing L. Collins, it won't hurt as much. Has anyone heard this info? I believe some beat writer mentioned this scenario. I'll try to find the info. I get it, Williams is "solid" and "very good" -- my only concern is he want to be paid as "excellent and "exceptional." A top edge rusher will make the whole DL seem more lethal; let's hope Gettleman figures that out. I doubt we'll get anything for Collins. Why? |
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 16, 2020 11:05:40 GMT -5
according to my uneducated guess and the nature of the NFL... It was an odd move by DG to begin with and Williams can probably get more with another team if the NYGs want to go "cheap" so to speak. Just a a guess on my part Everything I read is his value is under 10 a year Golden is a bit over. We wont keep LW if we only offer him 10m/yr. In fact, If think he would cut off negotiations if that were our offer. This trade would have been terrible if we were cash-strapped in FA. But were not, after cuts we should have approx. $90m to spend. I think 12-14m/year gets it done. He's a very good player, and it takes DT off the draft board. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 16, 2020 11:12:11 GMT -5
I focused on Williams a lot down the stretch. The guy has a rare motor and is always around the ball. Linvall Joseph is the only recent DL I could compare. A good edge rusher would thrive with this interior. You’re not getting him for less than $10M per, but he’s worth it in my mind.
F*ck Golden.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 11:12:17 GMT -5
Everything I read is his value is under 10 a year Golden is a bit over. We wont keep LW if we only offer him 10m/yr. In fact, If think he would cut off negotiations if that were our offer. This trade would have been terrible if we were cash-strapped in FA. But were not, after cuts we should have approx. $90m to spend. I think 12-14m/year gets it done. He's a very good player, and it takes DT off the draft board. You guys keep saying cuts as if they were a definite . I do not think he is worth 12-14 without 8- 10 sacks a year . There has never been a run-stopper. That is what he is. That ever commands that type of cap % not being an NT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 11:12:44 GMT -5
Everything I read is his value is under 10 a year Golden is a bit over. We wont keep LW if we only offer him 10m/yr. In fact, If think he would cut off negotiations if that were our offer. This trade would have been terrible if we were cash-strapped in FA. But were not, after cuts we should have approx. $90m to spend. I think 12-14m/year gets it done. He's a very good player, and it takes DT off the draft board. Try having this cuts and added cap space discussion with TEM.. He has some very interesting views of it.. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 11:17:30 GMT -5
Who is better?
Snacks or Williams?
Snacks just signed an 11.5 million dollar extension so the answer to the above question should give everyone a perspective to Williams value.
I'm thinking he gets something over $13 million a year minimum..
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 16, 2020 11:29:21 GMT -5
If we don't sign him, Guttleman will look like a pile of  A high 3 for nothing!  BTW - Imagine if the Jets sign him back!  |
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A high 3 for nothing! 
