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Post by redbeardxxv on Jan 20, 2020 20:42:24 GMT -5
I don't mind the hire, it brings experience to the sideline that Judge will need, but long term, this can go a few ways-
1) Garrett turns the offense around- suddenly he'll be a hot coaching commodity and he'll get poached, DJ will be looking at his 3rd OC in as many years.
2) He sucks- well, yeah, self explanatory
3) The team does well under JJ, JG does a good job- see #1
4) The team does not do well under JJ, JG does a good job- we could be looking at JG for HC down the line.
I like the immediate impact, but is this a 1 year bandaid? Are we being conditioned to have HC JG?
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 20, 2020 20:54:23 GMT -5
It’s a good problem to have. If Garrett and the offense do well it means the team did well and that equates to wins.
It’s part of the business. You have good coordinators they most likely will get job offers from other teams, which means advancement and more money.
It’s been so long since we had good coordinators that other teams took an interest too.
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Post by redbeardxxv on Jan 20, 2020 20:57:57 GMT -5
You're absolutely right, but that leaves DJ to OC #3. This is what leaves me scratching my head.... but i suppose the same risk exists for any other coach in any position...
But JG, a 10 year HC, seems to be a surefire contender for any job opening next year, provided he improves the offense, which we expect him to do. Hiring him just seems to be an extra risk.
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Post by bigblueones on Jan 20, 2020 21:02:45 GMT -5
We don't know his contract do we? Is that a factor?
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 20, 2020 21:04:46 GMT -5
You're absolutely right, but that leaves DJ to OC #3. This is what leaves me scratching my head.... but i suppose the same risk exists for any other coach in any position... But JG, a 10 year HC, seems to be a surefire contender for any job opening next year, provided he improves the offense, which we expect him to do. Hiring him just seems to be an extra risk. You’re the head coach. You’re going through your interviews, are you thinking about where the candidates will be in 3-5 years from now? Or are you looking at the best candidates to help you win now? The Garrett hiring which I feel is Judges best hire. A proven well respected voice on the coaching staff who has the experience and knowledge of what it takes to succeed in this league. If he’s here for only 1 year so be it. Jones will have to adapt quickly and Judge will have to do his homework on who’s going to replace Garrett. |
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Post by Waybackfan on Jan 20, 2020 21:14:52 GMT -5
Hopefully he only does a so-so job so he sticks around.
Get the offense somewhere in the neighborhood.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 20, 2020 21:39:52 GMT -5
Maybe in 2 years they promote the qb coach
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 20, 2020 22:07:53 GMT -5
Idk if garret gets a hc job in just one year unless the Giants offense is incredible. And if it is THAT good I would sign up for that.
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Post by Martin on Jan 20, 2020 22:11:55 GMT -5
Maybe in 2 years they promote the qb coach ....or the special teams coordinator! Sorry I had to be a wise guy.  |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 20, 2020 22:36:16 GMT -5
This is not a problem, and I wouldn't make a habit of quoting Moose or Maggie.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 20, 2020 22:40:28 GMT -5
Maybe in 2 years they promote the qb coach Exactly, coordinators leave. If Garrett architects an offense that aligns to Joe Judge's identity, and he leaves...then we promote. It keeps successful continuity. Plus we have to remember. Judge is going to approach the job more like Coughlin, but it's not like our systems won't have his stamp on them. He is the head coach. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 21, 2020 6:42:03 GMT -5
I heard Kevin Gilbride wants back in...
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 21, 2020 7:31:31 GMT -5
Hopefully Garrett kicks ass this coming season. Having him do well enough to be a hot HC candidate the following year is anything but a problem.
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Post by hadenough on Jan 21, 2020 8:33:18 GMT -5
My hope is Judge has his own vision for offense, defense and special teams. And his coordinators are there to implement his vision and call plays.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2020 9:14:40 GMT -5
Maybe in 2 years they promote the qb coach Many NFLers say it takes 8 games to learn a new system and a full year to be well versed in it. It might take a little time to get going it's gonna be the same on the defensive side of the ball. This might give Garret a 2 or 3 year window here. Aikmen was talking about niners DC Salha how last year they were calling for his head in year 2 there DL and defense in general was young and weren't great Shanny stuck with him and the development of Armstead and Thomas and that crew in general hit year three they took off. |
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Post by bluejayc on Jan 21, 2020 9:34:54 GMT -5
We don't know his contract do we? Is that a factor? I can't find them but let's say it's three year deal.....if Garrett crushes it and other teams have headcoaching interest in him the Giants can simply deny interviews correct? |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 21, 2020 9:43:59 GMT -5
I'm sensing by the actions of ownership, and where the team has been drafting for several years now that they are looking for a quick turnaround. Yes, DJ has to get this offense down quickly but the window is short before high picks contracts are up. Not to mention I'm sensing embarrassment(especially with Tisch) for fielding non competitive teams.
I agree with a few of the posters that feel the division is up for grabs. Philly has its own issues, Dallas is undergoing massive change and has unsettled contract decisions, the Redskins went through big changes as well. No reason whatsoever that NYG has to play second fiddle in the division.
So if Garrett has success and has to walk then so be it. Do it on the field. Maybe Garrett decides he's happier with NYG in the OC role. Time will tell but lets hope its a "problem".
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Post by gmen21 on Jan 21, 2020 9:44:56 GMT -5
Same risk for every nfl team with a young QB and a successful OC.
These are all just assumptions. Who’s to say Garrett won’t be here for 2-4 years?
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 21, 2020 9:54:15 GMT -5
We don't know his contract do we? Is that a factor? I can't find them but let's say it's three year deal.....if Garrett crushes it and other teams have headcoaching interest in him the Giants can simply deny interviews correct? Not if it's for a HC job. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 21, 2020 9:56:37 GMT -5
Same risk for every nfl team with a young QB and a successful OC. These are all just assumptions. Who’s to say Garrett won’t be here for 2-4 years? Yeah, I would be shocked if he's a hot HC candidate after one good offensive season, or that he would even want uproot himself or his prospective staff that quickly. There is a human element as well, and I think Garrett will like DJ and take a personal interest in his success. He may get the itch again after 2 or 3 seasons but I would doubt before that. |
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Post by soflo on Jan 21, 2020 10:57:30 GMT -5
I don't know why he'd suddenly be a hot candidate for a head coaching job just because an offense has success under him as a coordinator.
Seriously, why would success as a coordinator change what's already known about him as a head coach?
I mean are teams really going to look at him and say, "Well, as head coach he sure did fail to get the most out of a massively talented Dallas team, but as coordinator he's really got that Giants offense humming. Let's hire him as head coach."
Garrett is like Marvin Lewis. Teams would literally have "being just competitive" in mind as their ceiling if they considered him for a hc job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 11:05:32 GMT -5
If Judge establishes his overall system to this organization, even changing coordinators shouldnt rock the boat too much
But I think its a fringe chance that the giants offense is suddenly so incredible in one year garrett gets stolen out from under us right after his first season....eh, i wouldnt worry too much about that, and I think we're gonna be fine and hes gonna work out well, but he doesnt strike me as a guy that wants to jump around. he seems eager to get going here, i detect some relief that hes no longer a head coach, thats an awful lot of pressure.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2020 11:09:25 GMT -5
nature of the NFL...
Its not a problem until it is.
Jones will only benefit from a great upcoming season.
That in itself is NOT a problem
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 11:14:35 GMT -5
Hopefully he only does a so-so job so he sticks around.
Get the offense somewhere in the neighborhood.
I would rather lose him because he did a great job and we turned this team around rather then him doing a “so-so” job just to keep him |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 11:30:15 GMT -5
Hopefully he only does a so-so job so he sticks around.
Get the offense somewhere in the neighborhood.
WHAT????? You want our OC to do a mediocre job so he sticks around longer? Why would you want a "so-so" coach to be here any longer than long enough to prove he's just "so so"? We just got rid of a "so-so" HC. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 21, 2020 11:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 21, 2020 11:40:35 GMT -5
I kinda get it. If we had taken on a less established OC than it may take more than 1 or 2 good years on offense for him to be considered for a HC. Garrett more than likely would be a hot candidate should he have success here.
But, I think that's a good problem to have rather than a bad one.
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Post by yoho on Jan 21, 2020 12:05:39 GMT -5
Hardly in the house and Garrett is bringing problems already? Seriously though, don’t you think that no matter who the guy is, if he lights up the offense, he’s going to be considered for a HC position somewhere? And maybe Garrett has had enough of being a HC, and the tireless hours that go with it. Maybe being OC in a state he and his family like will be more attractive to him especially if the team develops.
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Post by Dezzr on Jan 21, 2020 12:09:39 GMT -5
I heard Kevin Gilbride wants back in... Id take Gilbride back in a heartbeat. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 21, 2020 12:13:03 GMT -5
nature of the NFL... Its not a problem until it is. Jones will only benefit from a great upcoming season. That in itself is NOT a problem I agree with this post.. |
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