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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 11, 2020 19:11:32 GMT -5
Honestly... I'm so down on our team that even if that fake FG wasn't called back... and the pick penalty wasn't called so they both were TDs. We'd still find a way to have lost this game. It has happened too often that I feel like a kicked dog that just whimpers whenever someone lifts their foot off the ground. Internal alchemy. Manufacture confident expectations.
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Post by gmen21 on Oct 11, 2020 19:11:42 GMT -5
We need a mother fu**ing pass rusher! How do we still not have a legit pass rusher? Carl Banks is harping on this right now. I gotta listen to more postgame stuff. I’ll turn it on now.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 11, 2020 19:14:56 GMT -5
We'd all be happier, an more perceptive, if we'd think in terms of "coach Judge's first year" instead of "the 4th crappy year in a row". Hard to think that way. So far, he’s accomplished shit. Only thing saving himself from the onslaught is he’s 5 games in, and has a silver tongue. Fans ate his shit up when he came aboard. I could be wrong, but I truly don't see things that way. I know losing is heart breaking, but I really think that we're progressing.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 19:14:58 GMT -5
Pugh 1st round 2013 Richburg 2ne 2014 Flowers 1st 2015 Pugh wasn't stellar, and injuries got him Richberg kind of the same. And Flowers, I think we can say was a miss altogether. I'm just correcting you on your take Reese never taking o linemen early
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Post by yoho on Oct 11, 2020 19:15:30 GMT -5
Yeah, let’s blame Reese. He’s been gone for 3 years now. Might as well blame Kevin Gilbride on the offensive production while you’re at it. They are a young team by years end if Jones doesn't shape up they will be drafting a QB. I don't think you can objectively rate Jones' performance this year given the lack of protection he is getting. There first rounder next year NEEDS TO BE A STUD PASS RUSHER!!! And they need to pick up a veteran or two offensive linemen.
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Post by gmen21 on Oct 11, 2020 19:16:46 GMT -5
Hard to think that way. So far, he’s accomplished shit. Only thing saving himself from the onslaught is he’s 5 games in, and has a silver tongue. Fans ate his shit up when he came aboard. I could be wrong, but I truly don't see things that way. I know losing is heart breaking, but I really think that we're progressing. I’m being completely serious when I say this...please explain. All I see is 0-5
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 19:21:17 GMT -5
They are a young team by years end if Jones doesn't shape up they will be drafting a QB. I don't think you can objectively rate Jones' performance this year given the lack of protection he is getting. There first rounder next year NEEDS TO BE A STUD PASS RUSHER!!! And they need to pick up a veteran or two offensive linemen. It needs to be Pass rusher and WR not in any certain order looks like carter will be out awhile probably the year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 19:23:13 GMT -5
Hard to think that way. So far, he’s accomplished shit. Only thing saving himself from the onslaught is he’s 5 games in, and has a silver tongue. Fans ate his shit up when he came aboard. I could be wrong, but I truly don't see things that way. I know losing is heart breaking, but I really think that we're progressing. Games like these would be blowouts couple penalty's away from an easy winn 2 TDs off the board.
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Post by yoho on Oct 11, 2020 19:23:17 GMT -5
We'd all be happier, an more perceptive, if we'd think in terms of "coach Judge's first year" instead of "the 4th crappy year in a row". Hard to think that way. So far, he’s accomplished shit. Only thing saving himself from the onslaught is he’s 5 games in, and has a silver tongue. Fans ate his shit up when he came aboard. I think he 's channing the culture in a positive way. They are playing hard. They are tackling much better than last year. They are out of position less in the secondary less than last year. He had to rely on Gettleman in this year's draft and free agency this year. Now he will have a better idea of what the team needs. This team is missing talent in key places. I think Judge is getting them to buy in and I see progress even thought it's not in the win column yet. They need a stud pass rushers and O-line help.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 11, 2020 19:24:13 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I truly don't see things that way. I know losing is heart breaking, but I really think that we're progressing. I’m being completely serious when I say this...please explain. All I see is 0-5 Okay. We play hard We're running the ball some now. Defense actually playing pretty well overall. (Last week especially) I expect Gates + Thomas to improve with experience, plus Peart + Lemieux are waiting in the wings. I don't feel strongly positive about DJ moving forward, but I can hope that he'll make it someday. We need one elite WR, one elite pass rusher, the rest of the lineup is pretty good.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 11, 2020 19:32:17 GMT -5
Hard to think that way. So far, he’s accomplished shit. Only thing saving himself from the onslaught is he’s 5 games in, and has a silver tongue. Fans ate his shit up when he came aboard. I could be wrong, but I truly don't see things that way. I know losing is heart breaking, but I really think that we're progressing. How are we progressing? At the end of the day we’re 0-5 and the excuses are getting tiresome.
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Post by gmen21 on Oct 11, 2020 19:34:58 GMT -5
I’m being completely serious when I say this...please explain. All I see is 0-5 Okay. We play hard We're running the ball some now. Defense actually playing pretty well overall. (Last week especially) I expect Gates + Thomas to improve with experience, plus Peart + Lemieux are waiting in the wings. I don't feel strongly positive about DJ moving forward, but I can hope that he'll make it someday. We need one elite WR, one elite pass rusher, the rest of the lineup is pretty good. Thanks, man. We definitely play hard. That’s for sure. Defense actually isn’t good. Last week was a mirage, it was more LA playing in a trap game. We desperately need pass rushers and playmakers. We don’t have any real WRs, Slayton is ok. I despise the entire o-line, they literally suck at their jobs. Can’t block at all. DJ has been a disappointment. Is it because he has no help or playmakers? Or is it because he sucks? I don’t know. I have no idea if Judge is a good HC or not. Our roster sucks. Todays loss was crushing for this team, and we are so far from being good. Thats me, but I hope I’m wrong.
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Post by yoho on Oct 11, 2020 19:35:17 GMT -5
I don't think you can objectively rate Jones' performance this year given the lack of protection he is getting. There first rounder next year NEEDS TO BE A STUD PASS RUSHER!!! And they need to pick up a veteran or two offensive linemen. It needs to be Pass rusher and WR not in any certain order looks like carter will be out awhile probably the year. Yeah, I don't think WR is that big of a need. Our current WRS aren't the problem. They seem like they can't get seem to get separation because teams are playing them tight because they know our O-line can't protect. When we had the stud WR, it didn't make a difference because our LT was a matador.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 19:41:55 GMT -5
It needs to be Pass rusher and WR not in any certain order looks like carter will be out awhile probably the year. Yeah, I don't think WR is that big of a need. Our current WRS aren't the problem. They seem like they can't get seem to get separation because teams are playing them tight because they know our O-line can't protect. When we had the stud WR, it didn't make a difference because our LT was a matador. They need more then Slayyton and Tae and Shep don't scare anyone as Judge says this season is all about improving week to week.
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Post by gmen21 on Oct 11, 2020 19:42:22 GMT -5
My brother-in-law is a Cowboys fan. That’s all.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 11, 2020 19:43:50 GMT -5
It needs to be Pass rusher and WR not in any certain order looks like carter will be out awhile probably the year. Yeah, I don't think WR is that big of a need. Our current WRS aren't the problem. They seem like they can't get seem to get separation because teams are playing them tight because they know our O-line can't protect. When we had the stud WR, it didn't make a difference because our LT was a matador. I agree our O line is a steaming pile of cow manure rotting in a field of shit, but you can't tell me that our WRs are even close to playable. Besides Slayton, it is an homage to mediocre and no name players.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 11, 2020 19:46:25 GMT -5
Yup. The o-line. I’m a broken record, but these dudes can’t block worth sh*t. What else can they do? They changed the entire line over. They got a new QB who doesn't have Eli feet, they have a new OC, and a new OLine coach... And the boys with 4 ol out give Dak a better pocket than DJ.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 19:46:50 GMT -5
Pugh wasn't stellar, and injuries got him Richberg kind of the same. And Flowers, I think we can say was a miss altogether. I'm just correcting you on your take Reese never taking o linemen early If those 3 guys worked out JR would still be calling the shots because the Giants would have a solid OL.
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Post by yoho on Oct 11, 2020 19:48:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think WR is that big of a need. Our current WRS aren't the problem. They seem like they can't get seem to get separation because teams are playing them tight because they know our O-line can't protect. When we had the stud WR, it didn't make a difference because our LT was a matador. They need more then Slayyton and Tae and Shep don't scare anyone as Judge says this season is all about improving week to week. They don't scare anyone because Jones doesn't have time to get them the ball. Shepard is a first down machine. I just think they need a tall big WR to contest for catches. The tall kid from training camp that went to IR is going to be good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 19:48:40 GMT -5
It needs to be Pass rusher and WR not in any certain order looks like carter will be out awhile probably the year. Yeah, I don't think WR is that big of a need. Our current WRS aren't the problem. They seem like they can't get seem to get separation because teams are playing them tight because they know our O-line can't protect. When we had the stud WR, it didn't make a difference because our LT was a matador. Refreshing to read an actual real life perspective on the game. (red font) People need to remember all of those backs shoulder fades to Nicks and Burress. Yea they look nice, but those are built in bail routes designed to give you an outlet to the QB when the opposite of the field is covered. You can only depend on that when you have a high caliber WR with a large catch radius and sure hands. Both Nicks and Burress were masters at activating Eli’s back shoulder because they were also film guys, regardless of your preception of them. Right now, we do not have a WR of that caliber, and only if we get one, we will continue to see this dilapidated thing this franchise is calling an offense. Please don’t get overwhelmed by our play against the worst defense in the game. Numbers don’t lie... never forget that. A big time trade needs to happen before the deadline. Call me crazy but I think a 5 game winning streak can make this division very competitive. 🤷🏿♂️
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Post by yoho on Oct 11, 2020 19:49:33 GMT -5
What else can they do? They changed the entire line over. They got a new QB who doesn't have Eli feet, they have a new OC, and a new OLine coach... And the boys with 4 ol out give Dak a better pocket than DJ. I was surprised that we didn't get pressure like last week
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 20:07:03 GMT -5
They need more then Slayyton and Tae and Shep don't scare anyone as Judge says this season is all about improving week to week. They don't scare anyone because Jones doesn't have time to get them the ball. Shepard is a first down machine. I just think they need a tall big WR to contest for catches. The tall kid from training camp that went to IR is going to be good. This Draft is loaded they can grab an edge and get an nice player like Diggs Oakland in the second round go corner in the 3rd
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 11, 2020 20:10:51 GMT -5
Okay. We play hard We're running the ball some now. Defense actually playing pretty well overall. (Last week especially) I expect Gates + Thomas to improve with experience, plus Peart + Lemieux are waiting in the wings. I don't feel strongly positive about DJ moving forward, but I can hope that he'll make it someday. We need one elite WR, one elite pass rusher, the rest of the lineup is pretty good. Thanks, man. We definitely play hard. That’s for sure. Defense actually isn’t good. Last week was a mirage, it was more LA playing in a trap game. We desperately need pass rushers and playmakers. We don’t have any real WRs, Slayton is ok. I despise the entire o-line, they literally suck at their jobs. Can’t block at all. DJ has been a disappointment. Is it because he has no help or playmakers? Or is it because he sucks? I don’t know. I have no idea if Judge is a good HC or not. Our roster sucks. Todays loss was crushing for this team, and we are so far from being good. Thats me, but I hope I’m wrong. Something is only "crushing" if one allows it to be. Part of making it in football or in life is bouncing back and refusing to give up. When the most severe potentially crushing thing happens is the crucial moment. Continuing forward at such a time can change a person's, or a team's, destiny.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 20:14:18 GMT -5
And the boys with 4 ol out give Dak a better pocket than DJ. I was surprised that we didn't get pressure like last week Tell you what I don't usually do this but that hold on Hill on the first big play to Gallup wasn't the only one. The Cowboys were mugging guys all day including our WRs. When your an official and your gonna call Gates on the inside with a hold that looked like he had good hand placement and miss several holds on the boys it's a joke even the writers are quacking about it. I swear on the face mask by Golden he was getting pulled off Zeke as he was being pulled he grabbed the mask momentarily and then released it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 20:15:35 GMT -5
Thanks, man. We definitely play hard. That’s for sure. Defense actually isn’t good. Last week was a mirage, it was more LA playing in a trap game. We desperately need pass rushers and playmakers. We don’t have any real WRs, Slayton is ok. I despise the entire o-line, they literally suck at their jobs. Can’t block at all. DJ has been a disappointment. Is it because he has no help or playmakers? Or is it because he sucks? I don’t know. I have no idea if Judge is a good HC or not. Our roster sucks. Todays loss was crushing for this team, and we are so far from being good. Thats me, but I hope I’m wrong. Something is only "crushing" if one allows it to be. Part of making it in football or in life is bouncing back and refusing to give up. When the most severe potentially crushing thing happens is the crucial moment. Continuing forward at such a time can change a person's, or a team's, destiny. If you can't persevere in this game in life you are lost.
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Post by gmen21 on Oct 11, 2020 20:25:52 GMT -5
Thanks, man. We definitely play hard. That’s for sure. Defense actually isn’t good. Last week was a mirage, it was more LA playing in a trap game. We desperately need pass rushers and playmakers. We don’t have any real WRs, Slayton is ok. I despise the entire o-line, they literally suck at their jobs. Can’t block at all. DJ has been a disappointment. Is it because he has no help or playmakers? Or is it because he sucks? I don’t know. I have no idea if Judge is a good HC or not. Our roster sucks. Todays loss was crushing for this team, and we are so far from being good. Thats me, but I hope I’m wrong. Something is only "crushing" if one allows it to be. Part of making it in football or in life is bouncing back and refusing to give up. When the most severe potentially crushing thing happens is the crucial moment. Continuing forward at such a time can change a person's, or a team's, destiny. That’s definitely true about life. Being a small business owner I know all too well, especially this year.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 11, 2020 20:42:14 GMT -5
Something is only "crushing" if one allows it to be. Part of making it in football or in life is bouncing back and refusing to give up. When the most severe potentially crushing thing happens is the crucial moment. Continuing forward at such a time can change a person's, or a team's, destiny. That’s definitely true about life. Being a small business owner I know all too well, especially this year. Keep doing your best and see the wonderful results next year! (this applies to our G-men too)
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Post by gmen21 on Oct 11, 2020 21:19:45 GMT -5
That’s definitely true about life. Being a small business owner I know all too well, especially this year. Keep doing your best and see the wonderful results next year! (this applies to our G-men too) Thanks, man! Go Giants!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 21:45:21 GMT -5
It is what it is, and in the end they had a chance to win it but didn't get it done... But those calls that took away 2 TDs most certainly had an effect in the game. Those were BS calls...you can't completely discount them. Those calls and the lack of calls on Dallas for holding/pass interference and the bs call on our center make it difficult to win. This was a really bad game for the officials Dallas had 3 fouls thats it, There was more holding then just that blatant one on BJ Hill several plays our pass rushers were being dragged down, They were mugging WRs all over the place holding and contacting them after 5 yards. One ball Tate caught he was rapped up before he caught the ball don't even know how he caught it. Just Pathetic they owe the Giants the obligatory apology.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 21:54:57 GMT -5
It is what it is, and in the end they had a chance to win it but didn't get it done... But those calls that took away 2 TDs most certainly had an effect in the game. Those were BS calls...you can't completely discount them. Those calls and the lack of calls on Dallas for holding/pass interference and the bs call on our center make it difficult to win. He is an all pro defensive player and that’s his perspective. The same energy can be put into us not having a legit WR.
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